Bihar, Caste Divisions & India in 21st Century

[danger007]

Mate....relax....go through the thread....we are having a very MATURE discussion.....no one is talking about CASTE nor RELIGION issue taken up by paries.....the question is why WE vote or think on those lines even after 68 years of Independence.

I would request you to PLEASE don't bring any Party to the discussion as every party has members from India only, they don't come from Mars. When you point one finger at anyone.....4 are pointing at us!

you are not aware... what type of personal attacks I came through from past two days....

 

[arp2041]

Why not just make reservation based on financial condition rather than making reservation only for a particular group of people ??

BECAUSE the system is not divided on JUST financial lines.....it's not that STRAIGHT.

Got a friend from ST community....he says that he can never marry a girl from upper caste communities due to his being Low caste. Mind You, he is in Upper Middle Class income group. (this was just an example).

A Brahmin will anyday marry a poor Brahmin girl....but will NEVER EVER even think of some super rich girl from a ST community.

A society that bent.....the solutions are no simple!

 

[Star Wars]

& @Aminroop RSS doesn't believe in Caste system??? Please request them to make (just once) a DALIT HEAD!

@SarthakGanguly

BECAUSE the system is not divided on JUST financial lines.....it's not that STRAIGHT.
Got a friend from ST community....he says that he can never marry a girl from upper caste communities due to his being Low caste. Mind You, he is in Upper Middle Class income group. (this was just an example).
A Brahmin will anyday marry a poor Brahmin girl....but will NEVER EVER even think of some super rich girl from a ST community.
A society that bent.....the solutions are no simple!

At the same time you cannot create solutions which only angers the upper caste and those who are suffering from reservations. In the end, my point is this is not the solution but only aggravates the problem. You can't expect societies to stop discrimination if the entire concept is itself institutionalized...

To stop caste system you are introducing caste system in reverse, its bizarre...

 

[arp2041]

Save the tears for next time you call me from a sickular state.

Hmm....was really ANGRY that day........

But Anger should be channeled in a positive way to find out SOLUTIONS rather than create more problems.....thus the thread!

aur yeh KHUSHI ke aansu hai...............

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@SarthakGanguly



At the same time you cannot create solutions which only angers the upper caste and those who are suffering from reservations. In the end, my point is this is not the solution but only aggravates the problem. You can't expect societies to stop discrimination if the entire concept is itself institutionalized...

To stop caste system you are introducing caste system in reverse, its bizarre...

Why does India not have a Muslim Prime Minister if it is truly not anti Muslim?
Why do I not have a Ugandan wife if I don't hate Uganda?
Why does the Indian cricket team not play one from Andaman if it does not hate it?

Why? Why?

 

[Sky lord]

So Indian caste matters most to the Chinese voters it would seem

 

[arp2041]

Why does India not have a Muslim Prime Minister if it is truly not anti Muslim?
Why do I not have a Ugandan wife if I don't hate Uganda?
Why does the Indian cricket team not play one from Andaman if it does not hate it?

Why? Why?

OK....

The real question was.....why only BRAHMIN head?

P.S. You deserve Ugandan wife!!

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The real question was.....why only BRAHMIN head?

Why not?

 

[arp2041]

You can't expect societies to stop discrimination if the entire concept is itself institutionalized...

It's like saying - "You can't fight crimes if the concept of fighting crimes is institutionalized into Police System!"

Yes police is bad but only for (in an IDEAL STATE) criminals.......similarly reservation is bad, only for those who don't get them!

To stop caste system you are introducing caste system in reverse, its bizarre...

We have to UNDONE what has been done in 1000s of years of our History......& to UNDO a thing we have to go in REVERSE direction!

 

[Star Wars]

It's like saying - "You can't fight crimes if the concept of fighting crimes is institutionalized into Police System!"
Yes police is bad but only for (in an IDEAL STATE) criminals.......similarly reservation is bad, only for those who don't get them!
We have to UNDONE what has been done in 1000s of years of our History......& to UNDO a thing we have to go in REVERSE direction!

Wrong comparison, under reservation people who have not done anything wrong or are not responsible for anything are discriminated against just because they were born under a caste. Just like the older caste system. Its really no different.All you are doing is justifying one form of caste system.I can't believe there are people here justifying reservation.You can't undo 1000 years history by discriminating against people who have done nothing wrong. That is just bizarre.
Some guy should be given special attention and special care because his ancestors were discriminated against ??? Am sorry.... but the justifications here are surprising me...

Some dude gets born as poor brahmin and his life becomes pure hell because of the reservation system, and apparently he is being punished because his ancestors belonged to a social class who may or may not individually have discriminated against another human being of an imagined social class ...

 

[arp2041]

I can't believe there are people here justifying reservation.

Don't take me wrong.....I am not feeling good Justifying reservation either....but somethings are there which are necessary evils & we have to accept it as it is.

Just like a capital punishment, what is the difference between us & a criminal if we both do the same thing - MURDER! but it is a necessary evil to strike fear in the mind of Potential criminal.

 

[Star Wars]

Don't take me wrong.....I am not feeling good Justifying reservation either....but somethings are there which are necessary evils & we have to accept it as it is.
Just like a capital punishment, what is the difference between us & a criminal if we both do the same thing - MURDER! but it is a necessary evil to strike fear in the mind of Potential criminal.

Necessary evil ...my foot...You cannot abolish one evil by introducing another evil, it is stupid , it is bizarre. Mark my words, this has created more friction in the society and more friction between castes. We are a doomed nation if people justify discrimination based on castes.

 

[danger007]

Mate....relax....go through the thread....we are having a very MATURE discussion.....no one is talking about CASTE nor RELIGION issue taken up by paries.....the question is why WE vote or think on those lines even after 68 years of Independence.

I would request you to PLEASE don't bring any Party to the discussion as every party has members from India only, they don't come from Mars. When you point one finger at anyone.....4 are pointing at us!

you know I mentioned I'm converted into Christianity from SC... before I mentioned, I always has pleasant support from all Indian members in every argument... but later I noticed drastically change in some members.. may be you didn't.. .. in the very same thread where I mentioned am converted.... people started insulting Christianity and accusing evangelists.... you can understand why the topic changed to Christianity right after I told am converted...... they forgot not all Christians are evangelist.... I don't understand the necessity to bring evangelist there.... not just in one thread, they keep bringing Christianity and evangelists whenever I post something on topics related to Dadri or BJP or Rss dalit remarks etc.... they are talking like I don't have right to talk against BJP or attack on dalits.... they are talking like they are victims of Dalits and minorities for thousands of years... what it supposed to do with Muslim rulers in the past to present muslims.... generations are changed.... do we need to accuse them for what happened hundreds of years ago... I tried to compare fake baba's with pastors who are using Christianity for their own gains..... immediately they jumped In bring Vatican.... I don't have any stake in Vatican....for Christ sake... what Christianity supposed to do with Vatican... some people are talking my posts personal from the day one I told am converted..... .. .
am calling them bhakts(from past 2 days) for a reason


there plenty ways to discriminate others.... if you know what am talking about...

 

[arp2041]

@Abingdonboy @third eye @MST your views?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ok, no more BJP/Congress/Nitish/Lalu Please......

Just as a common citizen of India, who believed that in 21st century the caste divisions doesn't exists!

But when a big & Important state like Bihar votes absolutely on Caste lines is a worrying part for India who wants to compete with China.

Would like your views (irrespective of partyline) on this important subject. What can be done, is education the solution?

@jbgt90 @Skull and Bones @scorpionx @Joe Shearer @Aminroop @ranjeet @Guynextdoor2 @Star Wars @nair @Abingdonboy others......

P.S. Please I repeat, this thread is not about BJP or Nitish or Lalu or Congress. I just want to know what we did wrong in 68 years of Independence that people still blindly believe on CASTE system!

Our biggest problem is that our higher 'education' system, particularly for the technical and medical professionals, is devoid of moral matter. As a result, most of our young professionals end up trained, but not educated. The masses of young engineers and doctors pouring out are trained but not educated. Our politics today is a direct result of that lop-sided finishing that we received.

you know I mentioned I'm converted into Christianity from SC... before I mentioned, I always has pleasant support from all Indian members in every argument... but later I noticed drastically change in some members.. may be you didn't.. .. in the very same thread where I mentioned am converted.... people started insulting Christianity and accusing evangelists.... you can understand why the topic changed to Christianity right after I told am converted...... they forgot not all Christians are evangelist.... I don't understand the necessity to bring evangelist there.... not just in one thread, they keep bringing Christianity and evangelists whenever I post something on topics related to Dadri or BJP or Rss dalit remarks etc.... they are talking like I don't have right to talk against BJP or attack on dalits.... they are talking like they are victims of Dalits and minorities for thousands of years... what it supposed to do with Muslim rulers in the past to present muslims.... generations are changed.... do we need to accuse them for what happened hundreds of years ago... I tried to compare fake baba's with pastors who are using Christianity for their own gains..... immediately they jumped In bring Vatican.... I don't have any stake in Vatican....for Christ sake... what Christianity supposed to do with Vatican... some people are talking my posts personal from the day one I told am converted..... .. .
am calling them bhakts(from past 2 days) for a reason


there plenty ways to discriminate others.... if you know what am talking about...

Stick them the finger.

Don't take me wrong.....I am not feeling good Justifying reservation either....but somethings are there which are necessary evils & we have to accept it as it is.

Just like a capital punishment, what is the difference between us & a criminal if we both do the same thing - MURDER! but it is a necessary evil to strike fear in the mind of Potential criminal.

Ignore the idiot.

BECAUSE the system is not divided on JUST financial lines.....it's not that STRAIGHT.

Got a friend from ST community....he says that he can never marry a girl from upper caste communities due to his being Low caste. Mind You, he is in Upper Middle Class income group. (this was just an example).

A Brahmin will anyday marry a poor Brahmin girl....but will NEVER EVER even think of some super rich girl from a ST community.

A society that bent.....the solutions are no simple!

Not true. Want examples from only close relatives and acquaintances?