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Bihar, Caste Divisions & India in 21st Century

Do Caste Matter For You?


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No surprise there. That's also how the caste system survived for this long. The privileged didn't want to give up their privileges.

And this will keep going on because somehow people like you will twist it to justify reservations ...

So we need to end it. Right???

#Sarcasm That would be unjust for all the lower class people who have been treated like slaves ever since the dawn of time.So we should allow reservation to continue till the end of time while cursing Hindus and their Caste system at the same time :lol:
 
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No surprise there. That's also how the caste system survived for this long. The privileged didn't want to give up their privileges.
So we need to end it. Right?
Abolishing reservations should be the first move towards it.

#Sarcasm That would be unjust for all the lower class people who have been treated like slaves ever since the dawn of time.So we should allow reservation to continue till the end of time while cursing Hindus and their Caste system at the same time :lol:

Oopsie!
I had deleted that post.
How come your internet is so fast today??? :P

like you will twist it to justify reservations ...
Don't get personal!!! :disagree:
 
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That's a blunder!!!
Why can't ppl from high caste and low caste be treated on the same scale???
When you think you are treating them on the same scale, you are actually not. For a casteist person(or even a progressive non-casteist person from upper caste) who has contacts in all fields of work(because his caste peers and other people who will be willing for a quid-pro-quo), buying his son good education and good job(and good contracts) is not a big deal.

What you are proposing is that we forget the word caste and pretend caste inequality does not exist. But the fact is that this group of people who fell under lower castes would still be stuck at the lower rung for no fault of theirs, because somebody has unfair starting points/contacts. This way the society will never become fair.

You're contradicting yourself now.
No. Caste system is needed only by caste leaders and politicians. Lower caste people will want to do away with their caste name and their reservations, if it is genuinely possible to ensure equal opportunities for all and neutralize the undue privilege. Right now the discourse in this country is pictured as if the lower caste people are being given a privilege called reservations. What Ambedkar wanted was a justiciable counter for the privilege which the upper castes already had and have in this society.

You are pretending that if reservations were based say solely based on poverty, everything will be alright. Look at the ground level. The poor upper caste people will crush the lower caste poor by taking advantage of this, if only because all there years they were told that these under-merit lower caste people were the reason you are not getting a job.

If our goal is to ensure equal opportunities, then we should use caste numbers to make sure every caste is getting a fair/equitible treatment. Once we are sure there is some equity, we should do away with the reservations. Otherwise you might avoid the word caste, but backwardness and erstwhile caste would be highly correlated.
 
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So we need to end it. Right?
Abolishing reservations should be the first move towards it.

That would be putting the wagon before the horse. we need to reduce caste discrimination first.

Article of interest: In 2015. In Karnataka, not Bihar.....

In Karnataka school, every day she writes in midday meal diary: ‘No one ate today’ | The Indian Express

Sometimes a bit of a push or a kick up the rear is necessary to force the issue.

This is how a Karnataka village stopped discriminating against a Dalit cook in a govt school | The News Minute

Express report prods Karnataka to act, end boycott of Dalit cook | The Indian Express
 
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I started on why we still vote on CASTE lines & the debate turned on why Reservations......

I don't think Reservation is a Political issue (though it has made so) but rather a social issue....

I personally feel that reservations are need for a Socially divided society like India (though have felt the effects of it in many competitive exams when i was not able to clear them by 1-2 marks while a person in reserved category used to get in even on half marks of what i scored :( ).

As @Bang Galore said that 1000s years of oppression cannot be done away with in just 68 years. We have to provide an equal platform to the oppressed class & that's why we need reservations. The solution can be that when one member/generation of a family bears the fruit of reservation & becomes financially & socially stronger, the reservation for upcoming generations should be stopped & then other families/people should be given the chance. That's how i see a balanced solution.

& @Aminroop Caste system is not a certification which is provided on birth & can be easily do away with, over the 1000s of years of practice it has become the second nature of people. people start acting the way a person from there caste is expected to. So, it's not easy at all. What is more essentially needed is to educate people or raising awareness among them as to how "SOMETIMES" it is important to think BEYOND caste. In a society where everyone will start acting selfish & can't think above his/her caste, that society has no future whatsoever!

& @Aminroop RSS doesn't believe in Caste system??? Please request them to make (just once) a DALIT HEAD!
 
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. The solution can be that when one member/generation of a family bears the fruit of reservation & becomes financially & socially stronger, the reservation for upcoming generations should be stopped & then other families/people should be given the chance. That's how i see a balanced solution

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local parties bring caste, BJP bring religion.... both are dividing people...I don't see any difference among them...
 
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local parties bring caste, BJP bring religion .... both are dividing people...I don't see any difference among them...

Mate....relax....go through the thread....we are having a very MATURE discussion.....no one is talking about CASTE nor RELIGION issue taken up by paries.....the question is why WE vote or think on those lines even after 68 years of Independence.

I would request you to PLEASE don't bring any Party to the discussion as every party has members from India only, they don't come from Mars. When you point one finger at anyone.....4 are pointing at us!
 
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how about converting everybody to Bhramin .. that should do it... or follow Swami Ji's example.. cross marry with high caste...

I would open school where dalit boys will trained with body building and skill of chasing high caste girls...
Organize show of lots of Cooolie type movies etc...
 
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I started on why we still vote on CASTE lines & the debate turned on why Reservations......

I don't think Reservation is a Political issue (though it has made so) but rather a social issue....

I personally feel that reservations are need for a Socially divided society like India (though have felt the effects of it in many competitive exams when i was not able to clear them by 1-2 marks while a person in reserved category used to get in even on half marks of what i scored :( ).

As @Bang Galore said that 1000s years of oppression cannot be done away with in just 68 years. We have to provide an equal platform to the oppressed class & that's why we need reservations. The solution can be that when one member/generation of a family bears the fruit of reservation & becomes financially & socially stronger, the reservation for upcoming generations should be stopped & then other families/people should be given the chance. That's how i see a balanced solution.

& @Aminroop Caste system is not a certification which is provided on birth & can be easily do away with, over the 1000s of years of practice it has become the second nature of people. people start acting the way a person from there caste is expected to. So, it's not easy at all. What is more essentially needed is to educate people or raising awareness among them as to how "SOMETIMES" it is important to think BEYOND caste. In a society where everyone will start acting selfish & can't think above his/her caste, that society has no future whatsoever!

& @Aminroop RSS doesn't believe in Caste system??? Please request them to make (just once) a DALIT HEAD!

Why not just make reservation based on financial condition rather than making reservation only for a particular group of people ? Whats the point in financially improving only people from one society while ignoring everyone else ? As long as Indians want to give selective preference for one caste over the other there will be caste system. You can't use caste system and wish it to go away at the same time. Whats the point in being discriminative towards other castes and social groups just because their ancestors where discriminative ?
 
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OMG....got a POSITIVE RATING from @scorpionx !!!!

Someone please control me.........

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I started on why we still vote on CASTE lines & the debate turned on why Reservations......

I don't think Reservation is a Political issue (though it has made so) but rather a social issue....

I personally feel that reservations are need for a Socially divided society like India (though have felt the effects of it in many competitive exams when i was not able to clear them by 1-2 marks while a person in reserved category used to get in even on half marks of what i scored :( ).

As @Bang Galore said that 1000s years of oppression cannot be done away with in just 68 years. We have to provide an equal platform to the oppressed class & that's why we need reservations. The solution can be that when one member/generation of a family bears the fruit of reservation & becomes financially & socially stronger, the reservation for upcoming generations should be stopped & then other families/people should be given the chance. That's how i see a balanced solution.
]@Aminroop[/USER] RSS doesn't believe in Caste system??? Please request them to make (just once) a DALIT HEAD!


I know about sc/st cut off... I never know they can get job or seat with half score to the general category??






Stream
General
OBC/PD
SC/TC
EE3
(UG% >= 64) & (GS >= 690)
(UG% >= 62) & (GS >= 615)
(UG% >= 60) & (GS >= 526)
EE1
(UG% >= 64) & (GS >= 633)
(UG% >= 62) & (GS >= 575)
(UG% >= 60) & (GS >= 482)
EE2,EE4,EE5
(UG% >= 64) & (GS >= 529)

(&)

10*(UG%-64)+(GS – 529) >= 90
(UG% >= 62) & (GS >= 472)

(&)

10*(UG%-62)+(GS – 472) >= 90
(UG% >= 60) & (GS >= 403)

(&)

10*(UG%-60)+(GS – 403) >= 69
EE1 to EE5
UG% >= 65 (General)
UG% >= 60 (OBC/SC/ST/PD)
Minimum of two years post-qualifying degree relevant work experience
Gate qualification is not required.
Note: Candidates applied for these category will be shortlisted on a case by case basis
Note: UG is Undergraduation and GS is GATE Score....






IBPS PO Cutoff 2014 – Maximum and Minimum scores (combined scores in CWE and Interview out of 100) for Provisional Allotment.



Category

SC

ST

OBC

UR

OC

VI

HI

Maximum

Scores

68.00

54.00

68.00

73.80

52.60

58.80

46.80

Minimum

Scores

42.20

36.40

45.60

49.60

39.60

34.80

24.40... there is competition among them. .. not all those sc/St get jobs or seats just like that...
 
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I know about sc/st cut off... I never know they can get job or seat with half score to the general category??






Stream
General
OBC/PD
SC/TC
EE3
(UG% >= 64) & (GS >= 690)
(UG% >= 62) & (GS >= 615)
(UG% >= 60) & (GS >= 526)
EE1
(UG% >= 64) & (GS >= 633)
(UG% >= 62) & (GS >= 575)
(UG% >= 60) & (GS >= 482)
EE2,EE4,EE5
(UG% >= 64) & (GS >= 529)

(&)

10*(UG%-64)+(GS – 529) >= 90
(UG% >= 62) & (GS >= 472)

(&)

10*(UG%-62)+(GS – 472) >= 90
(UG% >= 60) & (GS >= 403)

(&)

10*(UG%-60)+(GS – 403) >= 69
EE1 to EE5
UG% >= 65 (General)
UG% >= 60 (OBC/SC/ST/PD)
Minimum of two years post-qualifying degree relevant work experience
Gate qualification is not required.
Note: Candidates applied for these category will be shortlisted on a case by case basis
Note: UG is Undergraduation and GS is GATE Score....






IBPS PO Cutoff 2014 – Maximum and Minimum scores (combined scores in CWE and Interview out of 100) for Provisional Allotment.



Category

SC

ST

OBC

UR

OC

VI

HI

Maximum

Scores

68.00

54.00

68.00

73.80

52.60

58.80

46.80

Minimum

Scores

42.20

36.40

45.60

49.60

39.60

34.80

24.40... there is competition among them. .. not all those sc/St get jobs or seats just like that...

LOL....that was just APPROXIMATION :lol:

Or you will KILL me for that??? :D
 
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