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Today marks 10 years since I joined PDF. I would like to say that I am really grateful to the tolerance of our Pakistani brothers who are admin and moderators to let me share my opinions on this forum. I am also grateful to all members who have shared their information and opinions with me, even if theirs are different to mine.

I have learned a lot from this forum and also changed my opinions on some issues. I have found in surprise that Pakistani are somehow even more tolerant and receptive than others whose culture I previously thought about as tolerant in many issues, ranging from race to culture or religion. Of course I understand that my view cannot be generalized to all Pakistani in real life, but your attitude here are really appreciated.

Best wishes from Vietnam to Pakistan and our friendship.
 
Today marks 10 years since I joined PDF. I would like to say that I am really grateful to the tolerance of our Pakistani brothers who are admin and moderators to let me share my opinions on this forum. I am also grateful to all members who have shared their information and opinions with me, even if theirs are different to mine.

I have learned a lot from this forum and also changed my opinions on some issues. I have found in surprise that Pakistani are somehow even more tolerant and receptive than others whose culture I previously thought about as tolerant in many issues, ranging from race to culture or religion. Of course I understand that my view cannot be generalized to all Pakistani in real life, but your attitude here are really appreciated.

Best wishes from Vietnam to Pakistan and our friendship.
Are thier muslims in Vietnam?
 
Today marks 10 years since I joined PDF. I would like to say that I am really grateful to the tolerance of our Pakistani brothers who are admin and moderators to let me share my opinions on this forum. I am also grateful to all members who have shared their information and opinions with me, even if theirs are different to mine.

I have learned a lot from this forum and also changed my opinions on some issues. I have found in surprise that Pakistani are somehow even more tolerant and receptive than others whose culture I previously thought about as tolerant in many issues, ranging from race to culture or religion. Of course I understand that my view cannot be generalized to all Pakistani in real life, but your attitude here are really appreciated.

Best wishes from Vietnam to Pakistan and our friendship.

I have a friend in Vietnam, cool guy. Vietnamese are good people.

By the way, if you ever visit Pakistan, you will find Pakistanis are the most hospitable people, like this guy did to his amazement.


We Pakistanis have a bad rep due to the pretty negative coverage on most international media but that's not the full picture.

Anyhow, the feeling is mutual. I, for one like the Vietnamese and maybe I'll fly one day if i can have the courage to bear the hot weather hahaha
 
Are thier muslims in Vietnam?

Of course, there are a lot of Muslims in the South of Vietnam (I do not know the exact number)

In Hanoi, however, there is only one mosque (in the old quarter, named Al-Noor (Al-Noor Mosque) at số 12 Hàng Lược, quận Hoàn Kiếm) and it is (or was) being managed by a man of Pakistani origin (his father was Pakistani and came here before 1945)

https://baomoi.com/can-canh-nha-tho-hoi-giao-duy-nhat-tai-ha-noi/c/29588978.epi
 
I have a friend in Vietnam, cool guy. Vietnamese are good people.

By the way, if you ever visit Pakistan, you will find Pakistanis are the most hospitable people, like this guy did to his amazement.


We Pakistanis have a bad rep due to the pretty negative coverage on most international media but that's not the full picture.

Anyhow, the feeling is mutual. I, for one like the Vietnamese and maybe I'll fly one day if i can have the courage to bear the hot weather hahaha

I hope to visit Pakistan someday and enjoy your hospitality.
 
Islam is not new to Vietnam, particularly follower are descendant of Champa people. Champa in the old time was a great empire and originated from Indonesian/Malaysian region (Borneo).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champa
No not new, actually for 1,000 years inhabited in the central of modern Vietnam today. Honestly speaking, they copied the Arabs bringing the practice of slavery into indochinese mainland. That made them to our arch enemy.
 
Today marks 10 years since I joined PDF. I would like to say that I am really grateful to the tolerance of our Pakistani brothers who are admin and moderators to let me share my opinions on this forum. I am also grateful to all members who have shared their information and opinions with me, even if theirs are different to mine.

I have learned a lot from this forum and also changed my opinions on some issues. I have found in surprise that Pakistani are somehow even more tolerant and receptive than others whose culture I previously thought about as tolerant in many issues, ranging from race to culture or religion. Of course I understand that my view cannot be generalized to all Pakistani in real life, but your attitude here are really appreciated.

Best wishes from Vietnam to Pakistan and our friendship.

Thanks for your kind words. Bridges are built between people by spending time in each others company and exchanging views. The differences in humans are skin deep. Under our skin we are all the same.
 
Islam is not new to Vietnam, particularly follower are descendant of Champa people. Champa in the old time was a great empire and originated from Indonesian/Malaysian region (Borneo).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champa
Truth is the Champa people were destroyed and chased out of Vietnam during the latter's 南征 aka 'Southern-Conquest' period of history. The Vietnamese court viewed Islam with hostility and sought to eradicate all traces of it, along with Champa culture. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cham–Vietnamese_War_(1471)

This is why u can hardly find any mosque in Vietnam today. Islam, along with its Champa adherents- had been uprooted from their native land by the Vietnamese who invaded from the north.

This is simple history.

Ex pm Abdullah Badawi of Malaysia
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is the descendant of Champa refugees https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utsul who originally fled to Hainan island(China), before fleeing again to Malaysia to places such as Malacca, when the populace on Hainan island proscribed them as well(they were non-native foreigners) during the Ming dynasty.

Remnants of the Champa later fled again during the Sino-Japanese war.
 
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Thanks bro. You are most welcome to Pakistan and If you decide to visit soon, I will personally host you. I might be leaving back to the US in a few months, so that’s the reason I mentioned you visiting soon. Stay blessed.
 
Ex pm Abdullah Badawi of Malaysia
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is the descendant of Champa refugees https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utsul who originally fled to Hainan island(China), before fleeing again to Malaysia to places such as Malacca, when the populace on Hainan island proscribed them as well(they were non-native foreigners) during the Ming dynasty.

Remnants of the Champa later fled again during the Sino-Japanese war.
PM meets relatives from China


BY CHOONG KWEE KIM

PENANG: Abdullah Ha Chenghui and his brother Rais Ha Chengqiang came from Hainan for a family gathering here and were surprised to find out that one of their cousins is the Malaysian Prime Minister himself.

The Ha brothers, on their first visit to Malaysia, were among some 600 relatives who turned up here yesterday for the gathering of the descendants of Hassan Salleh or Hah Su Chiang, the maternal grandfather of Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.


The private gathering also coincided with the 78th birthday celebration of the Prime Minister’s mother Datuk Kailan Hassan.

Chenghui, 39, said when a Malaysian relative he was temporarily staying with pointed out that the Prime Minister on television was his cousin, he could hardly believe it.


When the Prime Minister turned up at the gathering yesterday, Chenghui wondered whether he would have a chance to speak to him.



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One family: Chenghui and Chengqiang (extreme left and second from left) getting acquainted with their Malaysian relatives. Maisarah Mohd Husni is being carried by her grandfather Mohamad Subky.
“I was happy to be able to shake hands with the Prime Minister and when he learnt that my Muslim name is also Abdullah, he was a little surprised,” Chenghui said through an interpreter, Mariam Chen Xiao Mei who is a student at the International Islamic University Malaysia in Gombak.

Chengqiang, 48, said he was happy to meet so many relatives here and was surprised to learn that one of them was the Prime Minister.

“In China, three generations of our family did not have the chance to get a good education and we are happy to learn that we have relatives in Malaysia who hold high positions in the country,” said Chengqiang who hails from the Hui Hui village, Sanya City in Hainan.

The Prime Minister, who helped his mother to cut her birthday cake, left the gathering after a lunch while the others stayed on to exchange news through tea and lucky draw sessions.

Md Nasir Salleh, a nephew of the Prime Minister said the Malaysian relatives made contact with their Chinese relatives by chance in the late 1980s through an American woman who was studying the Muslim community in Hainan.

He said the researcher made enquiries in Pulau Pangkor and some residents there contacted a relative in Alor Star which led to the start of a letter correspondence with the Chinese relatives and visits by the Malaysian relatives to Hainan.

Organising chairman Datuk Mohamad Subky Abdul Raof, also the Prime Minister’s cousin, said their ancestor Salleh, a Muslim of Chinese descent had four sons – Hassan (Hah Su Chiang), Alibaba (Hah Su Hiang), Amin (Hah Fu Kong) and Hussin (Ha Hun San).

Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is the grandson of Hassan while the two Hainanese brothers are the grandsons of Hussin.

Mohamad Subky said Hassan came to Malaya from the province of Kwangtung in the middle of the 19th century and made a living in Bayan Lepas, Penang as a planter of rubber trees and padi, and a jewellery trader.

Hassan had two daughters with his first wife Salbiah Abas, five children with his second wife Siti Rahmah Abdul Rahman and six children (including the Prime Minister’s mother) with his third wife Kamariah Abd Razak.

Mohamad Subky said this was a bigger gathering compared to the first one held last year in Pulau Sayak, Kota Kuala Muda.

“Our relatives came from all over Malaysia,” he said adding they might make it an annual event.








Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2003/12/22/pm-meets-relatives-from-china#34w1Gljg9lggfLmr.99

What's happening in Xinjiang, you islamophobic bigot.
The Chinese did not kill Muslims, not even in Xinjiang. Muslims has always been China's allies throughout its millenia of history- right up to he present day.

If u bother to research, you will know that countless generals with the surname 马 'ma' has been employed by the Chinese for it endless wars.

On the contrary, the Vietnamese did:

The Vietnamese conducted a genocide campaign against the Cham, slaughtering 60,000 when taking the capital. The Vietnamese committed arson,theft and burned massive parts of Champa, seizing the entire country.

The Cham representatives told the Ming Empire that "Annam destroyed our country". The Chinese Ming Dynasty records contain the extent of the Vietnamese destruction wrought on Champa. The Vietnamese enslaved several thousand Chams and enacted forced assimilation of Vietnamese culture onto Chams. The number included 50 members of the royal family.[9] The Chams informed the Ming that they continued to fight against the Vietnamese occupation of their land, which had been turned into the 13th province of Đại Việt.[10]











Hence, he is not an Islamophobe, while truth be told- you are Sinophobic.
 
Today marks 10 years since I joined PDF. I would like to say that I am really grateful to the tolerance of our Pakistani brothers who are admin and moderators to let me share my opinions on this forum. I am also grateful to all members who have shared their information and opinions with me, even if theirs are different to mine.

I have learned a lot from this forum and also changed my opinions on some issues. I have found in surprise that Pakistani are somehow even more tolerant and receptive than others whose culture I previously thought about as tolerant in many issues, ranging from race to culture or religion. Of course I understand that my view cannot be generalized to all Pakistani in real life, but your attitude here are really appreciated.

Best wishes from Vietnam to Pakistan and our friendship.
A splendid post. Such generosity will undoubtedly follow you wherever you go.
 
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