BGB-BSF celebrate Holi along border

[metro]

metro, I thanked your before reading the whole thing.. Your post is so anti islam! If not for others, we have to be sensitive to Indian muslims....

Its ok. but this post was necessary to be made. its this sami guy who started this. not me. and he had to be replied for this.

 

[LaBong]

Its ok. but this post was necessary to be made. its this sami guy who started this. not me. and he had to be replied for this.

do remember you are scoring point at the cost of 150 m indian muslims. Just coz bdian dont care about their minorities, wud u do the same?

 

[xTra]

@metro,

I think you should delete your post, no point in arguing with a kid because some kids never growup.

 

[metro]

ok i did that. i too wasnt very happy with my post.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Yes indeed, no country is without crime and violence. However the violence happening in Islamic countries against women is not even considered a crime. It is a common practice; it is not reported and not punished because it is not against the law.
In the West, violence against women is a crime and that is why you see statistics. Show me any statistics in Islamic publications.?
In western countries a women is protected by the western laws. If she is raped she can go to court and get the guilty locked up. In Islam the testimony of one woman is not valid. So a woman who is raped and can’t produce a witness (generally rapists do not rape in public so the likelihood of finding a witness is very slim) cannot accuse her assailant. However if she becomes pregnant there is a clear proof that she has had sex out of wedlock and she can be accused of adultery and stoned to death. This is not hypothetical. It happens all the time. We all remember the case of Amina Lawal, the Nigerian woman who was sentenced to stoning and was released after Amnesty International and the whole world was mobilized. But there are many more cases.

Few time ago we heard of the tragic story about an Iranian woman who had gone to the court asking the judge to tell her husband to beat her only once a week and not every day.
All she wanted was to live and she was willing to be beaten once a week. This reminded all of us of the painful reality of the Muslim women trapped in Islamic countries

In ISLAM it is strictly forbidden to rape and molest any woman and the punishment is severe ... n sometime death penalty... In ISLAM both male and female are treated equal but in hinduism and christianity and judaism it is not the case...I can post hundred of stuff about that....

N we are not talking about law... but it is a fact that despite of of law womans were molested and raped and it happens even within church... n if anything wrong happens within any islamic society it is their fault...as in those countries it is mostly run by dogma made by people instead following it properly...

N you talked about woman being raped and eye witness stuff....

Do you have any idea why eye witness was introduced... it was to save the woman... as in one occasion Ayesha the wife of prophet mohammad left behind during a journey and a men helped her to reach prophet mohammad... then some person claimed adultery charge against her... for this... then this verse was revealed... so that without any proof no one can charge any innocent woman...

Regarding rape it is a different issue... it is not adultery .... n it can be traced from the physical evidence... n even from the time of prophet mohammad punishment of rape is death....

But in bible the case is different ... it has asked the rappist to marry the girl and to give the father 50 sackles... I am just wondering what 50 sackles worth today... n by asking the rappist to marry the victim whom bible god has asked to punish.. the rapist or the victim..

In hinduism sita had to gave proof her innocence ... but still we know lots of story about ram lila... but do not wish to say about those as it will hurt many of the hindus here...

Then why women are forced to wear burqa if men cant controld their sexual feelings ?


if only they produce 4 witnesses according to sharia. Else they would be stned to death for adultery.


And this exactly what im asking you.

DO you lust after your female relatives if they stand without burqa before you.?
What safety does a female relative of yours have , even though wrapped inside a burqa?
The very fact women are forced to cover themselves is because men think of them as sexual objects not has humans beings.
They are awrat, which means vagina.
Isn’t this the word for woman in Pakistan? You call your mothers, sisters and daughters vagina?
Muslim 4,1232 says a man’s “prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) , woman, and black Dog”.

by others you mean other men ?
Then why the hell do women have to suffer if muslim men cant control their dirty feelings seeing hands and neck of women ? . Amazing that I as a man can stand in front of a completely naked woman and not be aroused (because self-discipline and self-control actually exist in my mind)
societies that even when beautiful women are around, gentlemen behave decently and make sure women are not uncomfortable around them. It happens among the muslims that pretty women (or any women for that matter) are not safe unless covered in black tents.

And if maintaining chastity is the only motive then why the hell do grannys and even ugly women have to wear burqah too ?


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I remember reading a report about Latinos in USA converting to Islam. The reporter asked a 19 year old woman why in a hot day she is wearing that black veil. Her response was: “I am doing this for God, and one day I will be rewarded for what I am doing.”

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Did you read my earlier post...I said it clearly wearing burqa is not mendatory... if you wear a full sleeve shirt and a jeans... that will also be fine... n burqa is a arab dress... n covering face was introduced mainly by the wahabis n earlier time woman used to cover face due to extreme hot weather... same also the case with man...as in desert they also cover their face..

In islam womans are portrayed as symbol of beauty and every one has attraction towards beauty ... so some time it lead to rapping, stalking and rapping... n you talked about sister, mother and daughter.... do you have any idea in the west how many drunken father rape their daughter... same case also apply to drunken brother to sister and mother... n even some occasion they do it intentionally ... n in india also in every adult site majority of the story is full of incest ... with sister, cousin, mother, aunty etc... I do not think you are not aware of this... despite of knowing all these how you say Islam is treating woman as sexual object...???? where in islam it is trying to save them by asking them to remain modest....

In hindu holy scripture also it is full of incest story... so one can say in India it may be accepted due to religious influence... same also goes with bible... but in Islam sex is only allowed with lawful person not any random gang bang...

Stoning to death was a local tribal culture and this is the thing has been prescribed by BIBLE... but no where in the quran it has been asked to stone any one to death.... In bible in each and every occasion it has been asked to stone to death from not being virgin, to misbehaving with parent to committing adultery, to the apostate to the missionary to the rape victims etc...

N if you have so problem with modesty and body covering I am just asking you one question will you let your mother, sister or daughter roam in India as nide or in bikini???? If nobody treat them as sex object... Why not dissolve the male and female wash room... are we not oppressing the woman by separating their wash room...

Even in india this is always a culture of covering body properly of the woman or modesty...

It’s a lie. It was always the other way round.
Firstly you should note that Muslims fabricated excuses for their attacks. In all these excuses they shifted the blame on his victims.
For example, when they attacked the Bani Qaynuqa the excuse was that a couple of them had disrespected a Muslim woman.
When they attacked the Bani Nadir the excuse was that Angel Gabriel had whispered in Muhammad’s ears that the Bani Nadir were plotting to kill him.
When they attacked the Bani Quraiza his excuse was that they had confabulated with the Meccans.

It was always Muslims who initiated the wars and hostilities.
Jews were not interested in Islam and religious wars in Arabia did not exist prior to Islam.
Jews were an educated and cultured people. They were artisans, herdsmen and farmers. They had made their wealth in commerce and in industry, not through marauding.
What reason had they to attack Medina, a city impoverish by Muhammad whose citizens had all become thieves and highway robbers?
These are lies concocted by Muslims to convince their foolish followers that their forays were justified. Despite their savagery, the early believers were still humans and must have felt raiding, massacring and pillaging innocent people with no justification is not right.
When you attack someone, you must have an excuse.
Even Hitler had reasons for his attacks. His reason was "to bring civilization to the less evolved people of the world". The reasons Muslims gave for their raids were just excuses.



For the sake of argument, let us say the leaders of Khaibar were responsible for "supplying arms to all the enemies of the muslims(bani quraiza) "
(This is of course a lie. Muslims already massacred all the men of Bani Quraiza and enslaved all their wives and children with the same excuse.
Khaibar had nothing to do with the battle of the Trench. The Jews never raised against the Muslims in Medina or anywhere in Arabia and they tried to stay neutral at all times. That was of course a grave error that cost them their lives.)
Does this justify to invade a city and massacre its citizens?
Does it justify taking their women as sex slaves and forcing the elderly and the unwanted women to till their own confiscated land and and give half of the produce to their conqueror?


U people give an impression that these people were the enemies and Muslims had to fight these wars were in self defense. That is not so. Any person who did not submit to muslims was considered to be an enemy. The terrorists are not killing innocent people; they are killing “the enemy”.
In Khaibar, people had no idea that Muslims were about to attack them until they were in their lanes on their horses slaying anyone at sight. The non Muslims of Arabia 1400 years ago, did not know they are “the enemy” and the target.

I talked about it in earlier but you cleverly ignored everything to repeat your ranting ... copy pasted from some christian missionary websites... however all these were rebuked long ago and even not use by any christian missionary groups...

1st thing come to Banu qurayza...

In medina or in early islamic days muslim never had many men or strong army that it will go for a rampage... thats why all of them had to go to medina to escape from day to day torture as most of the early muslim convert were from madina not mecca...

After the battle of ohud ...where muslims lost to the meccans so badly ... meccans later tried to come back later with massive force to attack the muslims in medina... but muslims did not have the force to go to war with such massive force... in this regard an persian came with a idea to dig a trench so that meccans can not cross it between 2 hills... n on the backward side of medina banu qurayza tribe used to live and as a pact was signed to protect medina from any outside invaders... regardless of any one's enemy...

In the battle of trench meccans were failed to come from forward... due to the trench and while trying to come in some meccans lost their lives.. so some of them tried to attack from the back...n qurayza indicated some houses where some muslim woman and children were living...n they were killed as a result...if I recall correctly...

This was a clear violation of the pact.. so a trial was necessary... in islamic law muslim are not allowed to persecute directly jews or christian and it is said they were to be persecuted under biblical law... and by their own chosen judge... same case also happen here... they choose their own judge... n the judge gave its verdict based on biblical law:

Here is the law:

Deuteronomy 20:10 When you approach a city to wage war against it, offer it terms of peace. 20:11 If it accepts your terms15 and submits to you, all the people found in it will become your slaves.16 20:12 If it does not accept terms of peace but makes war with you, then you are to lay siege to it. 20:13 The Lord your God will deliver it over to you17 and you must kill every single male by the sword. 20:14 However, the women, little children, cattle, and anything else in the city – all its plunder – you may take for yourselves as spoil. You may take from your enemies the plunder that the Lord your God has given you.

I think it has also talked about taking of the woman.... but in islam it is done to look after them and asked not to treat them as a slave and to free them if they want and if any of those woman give birth to your child treat them as your wife.. but in bible they remain as slave and the child become bastard..

N the law asked if any one break peace treaty ... it asked to kill every male member and to take every woman as a captive... it also asked to treat them as a slave but banu qurayza never were treated as slave....

So, here prophet mohammad had nothing to do other then executing the order.... he acted as a jailer not a judge as the person who gave the verdict was chosen by the banu qurayza and the law was from bible...but still some muslim scholar argue about the killing of whole men... as in islam it is not permissible to kill any one who is not responsible and quran also talks about only execution of few person ... and few of them taken as prisoner...

QUran 33:26." .... (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners. "

But whatever the matter they were percicuted based on bible... if they would ask prophet mohammad to judge them he might have forgiven them... just the way he did to many others...

Now the battle of khaybar...

They were aiding to many tribes around medina and were asking meccans to attack muslims in medina.... in some cases they also provided them with arms... so muslims had no other way but to attack them....as muslim did not have unlimited force or strength to go for fighting all around...

Muslim had only 1200 man against jews with 14000 man with heavy weapon .... but still those jews could not defeat the muslim... then whose fault was that... if 14000 man can not defeat only 1200 lightly armed man.... This was not a cat walk for the muslim but a struggle between life and death... just tell me whether you will go for a fight with some one where ratio between you and your enemy is 1:12??? unless your it is extremely important???

Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In quran... it is asked fight only if some one fight you... but if they come towards peace... it is also asked for peace...

Quran 2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Oh man.. Aisha had thousands of slaves. Where is that “discouraging slavery” thing that you are talking about?
Can you be more specific please? Can you show me a verse from the Quran that prohibit that?
Why do you want to fool yourself?
Why do you want to lie to yourself?
Islamic countries would practice slavery even today openly if they did not fear the reaction of the Westerners.
In Sudan they are doing it right now.

Just look at the life of prophet mohammad... how he used to buy slave to make them free from oppression... in islam and bible and at that time society ...the difference between slavery was... in the later case they have been asked to treat as a property but in islam they have been asked to treat them farely.. to give the food that you eat...to give the cloth that you wear and to make them free whenever they want...

Even prophet mohammad did not used the slave for any inhuman activity... when fatema daughter of prophet mohammad came to him asking for slave for her household activity prophet mohammad directly refused... that....and asked to do that by herself...

If you look at the early islamic history it is the slaves who did the best part to propagate islam and all the slaves were the early convert and as it gives a free life to every one and in islam every one is treated equal whether they are while black arab or non arab...

Do you not know the history of the slave belal???? The other slave zayed... whom prophet mohammad gave so much love that when his father found him later he refused to go with his father ... n prophet mohammad used to treat them as his own sons...

But unlike in bible where it asked people to make slavery one way or another even asked it is ok to sell daughter as a sex slave...

Some example...

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

The Quran is the collection of Muhammad’s sayings attributed to Allah and the hadith is the collection of Muhammad’s sayings and his deeds as reported by his companions.
Sometimes Muhammad’s words are good, but often his actions are not.
Any criminal will tell you doing evil is wrong. Such statement does not make him a good person. He is simply a man whose actions and words do not match.
Words are cheap. Actions are what matter.
A man who does not walk his own talk is a despicable man.
In matters of law, if there is discrepancy between the Quran and the Haidth, the former is the authority.

But if you find in the Quran Muhammad says it is meritorious to manumit the slaves and then you read in the Hadith that he raided people, looted them, massacred them and reduced thousand upon thousands of them into slaves, what shall we make of it?
We can’t dismiss the Hadith and deny that they are not true just because in the Quran Muhammad says something else.
We can’t disregard all the gory stories of crimes committed by him just because somewhere he said; “be kind to others”.
The question is why he did not walk the talk? If he knew kindness is better than cruelty, why he acted so ruthlessly? Did he really mean it or he said it to feign holiness?

Even early muslim were aware of the fact that there were many fraud as it is written down 200 years later after the death of prophet mohammad... n that lead to the work of bukhari to collect the true hadith which is known as sahi bukhari....

Now the criteria is used to compare a hadith with other hadiths as same event was described by different people... the one that matches is true or the other that does not match or come from unknown or weak source are false or very weak to be taken as true....

N before asking about any crime of prophet mohammad... speak specially... you will be rebuked as I did with your long post about banu qurayza...

Just look how he treated the meccans when he reached mecca... n it was a complete bloodless conquest and he forgave them all and it lead to all of them to convert to islam... n he did not bring any charge against the meccans who tried to kill him, tortured him and forced him to go in to exile...

I give u the correct translation of this verse.

Regarding 4:34 go to the following link it rebuked it long ago...

Questions and Answers about Quranic Verse 4:34.

There are many other web sites...


In quran regarding beating or strike what ever you say can not be done instantly by any ones wish... if any wife become really disobedient.. then one will have to make her understand her fault... then for some day it is asked to stop any sexual relation... then to separate her beds... then strike or beat whatever you say but it must not be done in any way that will leave any marks on skin.... as we know even a slap leave mark on skin... so even slapping is not allowed if it leave mark on the skin...or any thing vice versa...

oh really ?
Then why are only men allowed to keep 4 wives and not women to keep 4 husbands ?

Every woman has the right to marry any one after her divorce... but if we look at hinduism it is not permitted even it has asked to burn her alive with her husband... now it is changed to pass whole life wearing white sarri without any ornaments... removing sindur n blah blah blah...then which is more in human... same case also apply to bible as that asked to stone any woman to death if she is not virgin during marriage night so marring a widow or some one else's wife is adultery and asked to both stone to death both male and female...

Marring more husband at the same time is not permitted as by this time if any woman gets pregnant then who will be child's father??? n how he will satisfy all the man considering her period time...

In islam marrying 4 woman is not mandatory...it said to marry 2 3 or 4 to take care of the woman who are helpless or widow or can not marry due to any disability... but asked to marry only once if he can not do justice with all of them and before marrying one must take concern of his wife.... n islam is the only religion which has asked about one marriage...

Which is contrasted to bible or hinduism.. for example lord krishna married around 16000 times...will you tell me how lord krishna was fair with every one??? n in hinduism is it allowed for the woman to have many husband??? Do not take it as racism... but this is a valid question I guess based on your question...

You ask about Biblical verces.
That is not a question to ask me. I am no defender of Bible.
Why you even bring that up? Does that make you feel better ?
What baffles me is that you try to prove Bible evil and you feel good that you are trying to prove bible false, but forget that once you succeed you actually have confirmed that Muhammad was a liar because he said Moses and Jesus were prophets.
I can’t fathom the absurdity of ure mind.

Quran accept both moses and jesus as a prophet but not the bible as even christian and jews even accept the fact that bible has been written by many anonymous writer over different centuries... even bible start with faulty science from its 1st verse which is supposed to be written by god for moses and even none of jesus's death story matches with one another in the gospel which is the crown jewel of christian dogma... I do not wish to talk in detail on it as it may hurt other peoples sentiment...

 

[xTra]

In ISLAM it is strictly forbidden to rape and molest any woman and the punishment is severe ... n sometime death penalty... In ISLAM both male and female are treated equal but in hinduism and christianity and judaism it is not the case...I can post hundred of stuff about that....

N we are not talking about law... but it is a fact that despite of of law womans were molested and raped and it happens even within church... n if anything wrong happens within any islamic society it is their fault...as in those countries it is mostly run by dogma made by people instead following it properly...

N you talked about woman being raped and eye witness stuff....

Do you have any idea why eye witness was introduced... it was to save the woman... as in one occasion Ayesha the wife of prophet mohammad left behind during a journey and a men helped her to reach prophet mohammad... then some person claimed adultery charge against her... for this... then this verse was revealed... so that without any proof no one can charge any innocent woman...

Regarding rape it is a different issue... it is not adultery .... n it can be traced from the physical evidence... n even from the time of prophet mohammad punishment of rape is death....

But in bible the case is different ... it has asked the rappist to marry the girl and to give the father 50 sackles... I am just wondering what 50 sackles worth today... n by asking the rappist to marry the victim whom bible god has asked to punish.. the rapist or the victim..

In hinduism sita had to gave proof her innocence ... but still we know lots of story about ram lila... but do not wish to say about those as it will hurt many of the hindus here...





Did you read my earlier post...I said it clearly wearing burqa is not mendatory... if you wear a full sleeve shirt and a jeans... that will also be fine... n burqa is a arab dress... n covering face was introduced mainly by the wahabis n earlier time woman used to cover face due to extreme hot weather... same also the case with man...as in desert they also cover their face..

In islam womans are portrayed as symbol of beauty and every one has attraction towards beauty ... so some time it lead to rapping, stalking and rapping... n you talked about sister, mother and daughter.... do you have any idea in the west how many drunken father rape their daughter... same case also apply to drunken brother to sister and mother... n even some occasion they do it intentionally ... n in india also in every adult site majority of the story is full of incest ... with sister, cousin, mother, aunty etc... I do not think you are not aware of this... despite of knowing all these how you say Islam is treating woman as sexual object...???? where in islam it is trying to save them by asking them to remain modest....

In hindu holy scripture also it is full of incest story... so one can say in India it may be accepted due to religious influence... same also goes with bible... but in Islam sex is only allowed with lawful person not any random gang bang...

Stoning to death was a local tribal culture and this is the thing has been prescribed by BIBLE... but no where in the quran it has been asked to stone any one to death.... In bible in each and every occasion it has been asked to stone to death from not being virgin, to misbehaving with parent to committing adultery, to the apostate to the missionary to the rape victims etc...

N if you have so problem with modesty and body covering I am just asking you one question will you let your mother, sister or daughter roam in India as nide or in bikini???? If nobody treat them as sex object... Why not dissolve the male and female wash room... are we not oppressing the woman by separating their wash room...

Even in india this is always a culture of covering body properly of the woman or modesty...






I talked about it in earlier but you cleverly ignored everything to repeat your ranting ... copy pasted from some christian missionary websites... however all these were rebuked long ago and even not use by any christian missionary groups...

1st thing come to Banu qurayza...

In medina or in early islamic days muslim never had many men or strong army that it will go for a rampage... thats why all of them had to go to medina to escape from day to day torture as most of the early muslim convert were from madina not mecca...

After the battle of ohud ...where muslims lost to the meccans so badly ... meccans later tried to come back later with massive force to attack the muslims in medina... but muslims did not have the force to go to war with such massive force... in this regard an persian came with a idea to dig a trench so that meccans can not cross it between 2 hills... n on the backward side of medina banu qurayza tribe used to live and as a pact was signed to protect medina from any outside invaders... regardless of any one's enemy...

In the battle of trench meccans were failed to come from forward... due to the trench and while trying to come in some meccans lost their lives.. so some of them tried to attack from the back...n qurayza indicated some houses where some muslim woman and children were living...n they were killed as a result...if I recall correctly...

This was a clear violation of the pact.. so a trial was necessary... in islamic law muslim are not allowed to persecute directly jews or christian and it is said they were to be persecuted under biblical law... and by their own chosen judge... same case also happen here... they choose their own judge... n the judge gave its verdict based on biblical law:

Here is the law:

Deuteronomy 20:10 When you approach a city to wage war against it, offer it terms of peace. 20:11 If it accepts your terms15 and submits to you, all the people found in it will become your slaves.16 20:12 If it does not accept terms of peace but makes war with you, then you are to lay siege to it. 20:13 The Lord your God will deliver it over to you17 and you must kill every single male by the sword. 20:14 However, the women, little children, cattle, and anything else in the city – all its plunder – you may take for yourselves as spoil. You may take from your enemies the plunder that the Lord your God has given you.

I think it has also talked about taking of the woman.... but in islam it is done to look after them and asked not to treat them as a slave and to free them if they want and if any of those woman give birth to your child treat them as your wife.. but in bible they remain as slave and the child become bastard..

N the law asked if any one break peace treaty ... it asked to kill every male member and to take every woman as a captive... it also asked to treat them as a slave but banu qurayza never were treated as slave....

So, here prophet mohammad had nothing to do other then executing the order.... he acted as a jailer not a judge as the person who gave the verdict was chosen by the banu qurayza and the law was from bible...but still some muslim scholar argue about the killing of whole men... as in islam it is not permissible to kill any one who is not responsible and quran also talks about only execution of few person ... and few of them taken as prisoner...

QUran 33:26." .... (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners. "

But whatever the matter they were percicuted based on bible... if they would ask prophet mohammad to judge them he might have forgiven them... just the way he did to many others...

Now the battle of khaybar...

They were aiding to many tribes around medina and were asking meccans to attack muslims in medina.... in some cases they also provided them with arms... so muslims had no other way but to attack them....as muslim did not have unlimited force or strength to go for fighting all around...

Muslim had only 1200 man against jews with 14000 man with heavy weapon .... but still those jews could not defeat the muslim... then whose fault was that... if 14000 man can not defeat only 1200 lightly armed man.... This was not a cat walk for the muslim but a struggle between life and death... just tell me whether you will go for a fight with some one where ratio between you and your enemy is 1:12??? unless your it is extremely important???

Battle of Khaybar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In quran... it is asked fight only if some one fight you... but if they come towards peace... it is also asked for peace...

Quran 2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.



Just look at the life of prophet mohammad... how he used to buy slave to make them free from oppression... in islam and bible and at that time society ...the difference between slavery was... in the later case they have been asked to treat as a property but in islam they have been asked to treat them farely.. to give the food that you eat...to give the cloth that you wear and to make them free whenever they want...

Even prophet mohammad did not used the slave for any inhuman activity... when fatema daughter of prophet mohammad came to him asking for slave for her household activity prophet mohammad directly refused... that....and asked to do that by herself...

If you look at the early islamic history it is the slaves who did the best part to propagate islam and all the slaves were the early convert and as it gives a free life to every one and in islam every one is treated equal whether they are while black arab or non arab...

Do you not know the history of the slave belal???? The other slave zayed... whom prophet mohammad gave so much love that when his father found him later he refused to go with his father ... n prophet mohammad used to treat them as his own sons...

But unlike in bible where it asked people to make slavery one way or another even asked it is ok to sell daughter as a sex slave...

Some example...

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)






Even early muslim were aware of the fact that there were many fraud as it is written down 200 years later after the death of prophet mohammad... n that lead to the work of bukhari to collect the true hadith which is known as sahi bukhari....

Now the criteria is used to compare a hadith with other hadiths as same event was described by different people... the one that matches is true or the other that does not match or come from unknown or weak source are false or very weak to be taken as true....

N before asking about any crime of prophet mohammad... speak specially... you will be rebuked as I did with your long post about banu qurayza...

Just look how he treated the meccans when he reached mecca... n it was a complete bloodless conquest and he forgave them all and it lead to all of them to convert to islam... n he did not bring any charge against the meccans who tried to kill him, tortured him and forced him to go in to exile...




Regarding 4:34 go to the following link it rebuked it long ago...

Questions and Answers about Quranic Verse 4:34.

There are many other web sites...


In quran regarding beating or strike what ever you say can not be done instantly by any ones wish... if any wife become really disobedient.. then one will have to make her understand her fault... then for some day it is asked to stop any sexual relation... then to separate her beds... then strike or beat whatever you say but it must not be done in any way that will leave any marks on skin.... as we know even a slap leave mark on skin... so even slapping is not allowed if it leave mark on the skin...or any thing vice versa...




Every woman has the right to marry any one after her divorce... but if we look at hinduism it is not permitted even it has asked to burn her alive with her husband... now it is changed to pass whole life wearing white sarri without any ornaments... removing sindur n blah blah blah...then which is more in human... same case also apply to bible as that asked to stone any woman to death if she is not virgin during marriage night so marring a widow or some one else's wife is adultery and asked to both stone to death both male and female...

Marring more husband at the same time is not permitted as by this time if any woman gets pregnant then who will be child's father??? n how he will satisfy all the man considering her period time...

In islam marrying 4 woman is not mandatory...it said to marry 2 3 or 4 to take care of the woman who are helpless or widow or can not marry due to any disability... but asked to marry only once if he can not do justice with all of them and before marrying one must take concern of his wife.... n islam is the only religion which has asked about one marriage...

Which is contrasted to bible or hinduism.. for example lord krishna married around 16000 times...will you tell me how lord krishna used to satify every one??? Do not take it as racism... but this is a valid question I guess based on your question...





Quran accept both moses and jesus as a prophet but not the bible as even christian and jews even accept the fact that bible has been written by many anonymous writer over different centuries... even bible start with faulty science from its 1st verse which is supposed to be written by god for moses and even none of jesus's death story matches with one another in the gospel which is the crown jewel of christian dogma... I do not wish to talk in detail on it as it may hurt other peoples sentiment...

What are you doing in Canada.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

do remember you are scoring point at the cost of 150 m indian muslims. Just coz bdian dont care about their minorities, wud u do the same?

Provide proof about your statement else.. change your last part of the statement...

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

What are you doing in Canada.

None of your business....

I think you should delete your post, no point in arguing with a kid because some kids never growup.

Are you a grown up person or your fellow metro....???

He tried to raise some issue by copy pasting from some christian missionary sites... I answered it by tried to be remaining as much fair as possible and not being harsh to hinduism....

I did not post any thing from hindu scripture... as you know it very well If I wanted to i could do that as there are abundant of it ...

Then tell me who needs to grow up for copy pasting from anti islamic christian missioanry sites...

But I appreciate that and I tried to rebuke all those without being harsh to hinduism...

 

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None of your business....




Are you a grown up person or your fellow metro....???

He tried to raise some issue by copy pasting from some christian missionary sites... I answered it by tried to be remaining as much fair as possible and not being harsh to hinduism....

I did not post any thing from hindu scripture... as you know it very well If I wanted to i could do that as there are abundant of it ...

Then tell me who needs to grow up for copy pasting from anti islamic christian missioanry sites...

But I appreciate that and I tried to rebuke all those without being harsh to hinduism...

Never argue with a kid, arguing with a kid is just like arguing with a stone.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Never argue with a kid, arguing with a kid is just like arguing with a stone.

I thing now you are arguing with yourself who is a kid... better keep quitet or ask your metro to behave as he used many abuive word against islam and prophet mohammad... still I remain polite so far to the holy hindu figures...

 

[Bang Galore]

Provide proof about your statement else.. change your last part of the statement...

Aren't you the one who was mentioning about the Bible in unflattering terms and in a post above, you passed comments about Hindu practices. Hardly someone who cares much about the feelings of the minorities, what? Even though I admit that your comments about Hindus were a result of the provocation, it does give a bit of your game away.

In any case most of us don't care for any religious laws, we understand that they are all inherently unfair & not suited to our present times which is why there are no Christian criminal laws or Hindu criminal laws. Laws should be based on secular grounds if only for the reason that they are clearly man made & can be changed according to the times as opposed to religious laws which claim divine sanction and therefore face resistance to any changes.

 

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I thing now you are arguing with yourself who is a kid... better keep quitet or ask your metro to behave as he used many abuive word against islam and prophet mohammad... still I remain polite so far to the holy hindu figures...

Don't cry.

metro has deleted his post, now can you also.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Aren't you the one who was mentioning about the Bible in unflattering terms and in a post above, you passed comments about Hindu practices. Hardly someone who cares much about the feelings of the minorities, what? Even though I admit that your comments about Hindus were a result of the provocation, it does give a bit of your game away.

I was just replying to metro....and used some verse and practice of hinduism to refute him and establish my fact... I am ready to correct myself if none of them are true.... Please correct me if I was wrong if not here then in mail box. But you would not see I have used any derogatory comment about any hindu holy figure or bible holy figure in general like metro did....

]In any case most of us don't care for any religious laws, we understand that they are all inherently unfair & not suited to our present times which is why there are no Christian criminal laws or Hindu criminal laws. Laws should be based on secular grounds if only for the reason that they are clearly man made & can be changed according to the times as opposed to religious laws which claim divine sanction and therefore face resistance to any changes.

Thats the difference between Islam and all other religion.. Islam is for all people of all time... n if any one had to change any god given law... with any man made law then what is the validity of the law or the religion??? If you can not trust or rely on any perticular god given law then how you will trust that religion???

But every one has different opinion... so any one can think anything he/she want..

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Never argue with a kid, arguing with a kid is just like arguing with a stone.

By the way your jayron also liked the comment of metro... you can also add him in the list...

 

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You are an idiot, did you check jayron post after that.