Best fighter jet in the future?

[xMustiiej70]

I also read on the internet that USA may lift bans on export for the f22 on japan due to china threat.
israel due to plan on striking the nuclear facility in Iran because f22 accourding to a n American dude that said f22 could avoid s-300.
and australia showed interests.
But Turkey takes part of the develop of the f35. and is buying a great number and going to produce 100% like f16's.
But why are they not interested?

 

[gogbot]

I don't get the point of this thread.
Best in terms of what exactly.

Pure Performance wise , i would give my vote to the F-22 , and may be very slim chance PAK-FA/FGFA

But the F-22 is unbelievable expensive , difficult to maintain and has limited ground support capabilities.

It is a single minded animal bred for air-supremacy, cant do much else as well as other planes.

Over all considering logistics , capabilities and cost effectiveness.

It is the SAAB griphen really .

Sure there are faster , stealthier and even better planes on that list.

But this is the only plane in the world that can land on a road that can , re-fuel , re-arm and be on its way in under 10 min.

That alone stands as a testament to the griphens , do anything anywhere capability.

 

[xMustiiej70]

I don't get the point of this thread.
Best in terms of what exactly.

Pure Performance wise , i would give my vote to the F-22 , and may be very slim chance PAK-FA/FGFA

But the F-22 is unbelievable expensive , difficult to maintain and has limited ground support capabilities.

It is a single minded animal bred for air-supremacy, cant do much else as well as other planes.

Over all considering logistics , capabilities and cost effectiveness.

It is the SAAB griphen really .

Sure there are faster , stealthier and even better planes on that list.

But this is the only plane in the world that can land on a road that can , re-fuel , re-arm and be on its way in under 10 min.

That alone stands as a testament to the griphens , do anything anywhere capability.

Harrier was difficult to fly but the f-22/f35 has made it much easier.
limited air to ground? f22 is known for air to ground and lack of air to air.
f35 has both. including dropping payloads.

land on road refuel rearm in min.
sounds like massive bombarment in ww2.
I think the strategies are different now.

 

[Jackal]

Pointless to compare most, for example;...

F-22; Designed to "sneak" up on other fighters/bombers even at BVR"without being detected"...(Thats the theory anyway, good luck with that btw) and shoot them down. Thats the general idea of it.

Typhoon; Designed to fight its fights at extreme distances, shoot down fighters/bombers from afar, basically hit & run & be back home for tea & medals.

Put in a simple way, those two particular fighters do the same jobs, just in different ways.

 

[xMustiiej70]

same jobs in different ways.
then tell me which one is the best?

 

[intelarpit]

future.....it's 6th gen jet F/A-XX which U.S has displayed the pre-research....russia and china better follow up the new conception.....
american may start the WW-3 then aim at pandora once they root out russia and china.....
don't waste time talking about future,guys.life is short.....

Time to include more members in SCO

 

[gogbot]

Harrier was difficult to fly but the f-22/f35 has made it much easier.
limited air to ground? f22 is known for air to ground and lack of air to air.
f35 has both. including dropping payloads.

land on road refuel rearm in min.
sounds like massive bombarment in ww2.
I think the strategies are different now.

F-22 can't fly low altitude mission due to the weakness of the materials used in its construction , shrapnel can shred the plane if ever fired upon.

Same reason as why it has yet to be deployed outside the US , or sent on missions outside the US.

B-2's go on strikes all the time.

yet the F-22 sits at base , without an adversary .
That's just how it is.

 

[xMustiiej70]

but f35 can.
so i still dont understand why is f22 better then f35.

 

[gogbot]

but f35 can.
so i still dont understand why is f22 better then f35.

F-22 is built of pure air combat.

it's only real competition is the the F-35 and the T-50.


While the F-35 has more multi role capabilities and is cheaper to operate and maintain.

It does that at the loss of many of the features available on the F-22 .especially with the engine. and a larger radar cross section

Meaning in 1v1 air combat F-22 will always win

above all else, LM made the F-35 as the cost effective alternative to the F-22 .

As an overall package for induction however, i would agree that the f-35 is better considering logistics , costs and capabilities.
But it is still not cost effective , in comparison to the T-50 which offers more for the same price.

And both of them are to expensive to build and maintain in huge numbers. especially given the payload restrictions.

Meaning 4th gen fighters like the SAAB are still a good pick , for now.

 

[Patriot]

F22 without any doubt.

 

[Kinetic]

PAK FA all the way. It will beat hand every fighter in the list except F-22 without any problem due to superior stealth, radars, IRST, EW, avionics, sensor fusion, artificial intelligence, super maneuverability and the best weapons. But it also cost more than other fighters ~90-100 million per fighter.

I think F-22 is as capable as PAK FA in other expects except radars, maneuverability and weapons.

Comparison between PAK FA and F-22......

 

[Jigs]

The backbone of AFs will remain late 4th Gen planes

don't under estimate the Frenchies

though i didnt voted for Rafale

Read the many articles on why no other country goes for the Rafale and also why it still has not been exported once. Eurofighter>>>Rafale. Alot of the polls made and votes show how misinformed members are about arms. No one even knows what exactly will go into the PAK-FA while the F-22 is being upgraded already through its blocks.

 

[Jigs]

F35 can carry bombs. and more air to air misisles.
But it doesn't carry much as f22 air to ground but it can carry as better as f22.
f22 can fly longer,higher and accourding to wikipedia it cant fly faster then f35(?).
Trust power is higher on f22 due to two engines.
f35 is cheaper and weighs much less.
avoinics is better on the f35.

Raptors task it to get air superiority while the F-35s task is mainly ground attack and hold its own in the air with better avionics then 4/4.5 gen aircraft. Avionics for the F-35 being better then the F-22 is based off its ground role which it is better at but don't expect to be successful in engagements with the F-22 and PAK-FA. F-22 can also hold more internally then the F-35 and is more stealthy and maneuverable.

 

[gambit]

Raptors task it to get air superiority while the F-35s task is mainly ground attack and hold its own in the air with better avionics then 4/4.5 gen aircraft. Avionics for the F-35 being better then the F-22 is based off its ground role which it is better at but don't expect to be successful in engagements with the F-22 and PAK-FA. F-22 can also hold more internally then the F-35 and is more stealthy and maneuverable.

Be very careful when using the word 'better'. It usually imply a generational evolution. In the case of the F-35's avionics, there is no such progression, only an increase in responsibilities as the F-35 is intended to be a much more versatile platform. A more appropriate analogy would be the F-16 analog versus its later digital evolution. But the base technology for the digital F-16 is relatively unchanged from block to later blocks. The F-22's avionics are actually underutilized due to the aircraft's narrow mission.

 

[Jigs]

Be very careful when using the word 'better'. It usually imply a generational evolution. In the case of the F-35's avionics, there is no such progression, only an increase in responsibilities as the F-35 is intended to be a much more versatile platform. A more appropriate analogy would be the F-16 analog versus its later digital evolution. But the base technology for the digital F-16 is relatively unchanged from block to later blocks. The F-22's avionics are actually underutilized due to the aircraft's narrow mission.

Optimized better i guess would be the right way to say it. It just has a better ground role(in that the avionic have be optimized for it) along with the platform itself being used for the different needs of the branches.