Ben Affleck gets worked up defending Islam on Bill Maher's show

[Developereo]

I don't think there is any significant bar on making and expressing any observations about any major religion in the context of a fair discussion.

Can you show me serious criticism of Jews and Judaism by a non-Jewish person in the mainstream media?

As for your other point, I have no problem with legitimate criticism of Muslims. Homophobia, mistreatment of minorities, etc. are legitimate criticisms. However, to say, as Sam Harris implied, that a significant (or most) Muslims are closet jihadis who support a global takeover by Islam is blatant hate mongering.

We need to separate legitimate criticisms from agenda-driven falsehoods.

We also need to challenge the claims that certain conduct is mandated by Islam. There are many interpretations of Islam and, just because one group claims something, does not mean that their interpretation is "mandated" by Islam.

 

[Mercenary]

Your ignorance of facts will not change reality.
Just spouting your imbecile rants without understanding the FACTS of Maher's conduct only make YOU look like a fool.

Contrary to your delusional babbling, I am not attacking "Jewish people". I am attacking a specific individual. Just because he is Jewish does not mean he gets exemption from his bigotry.

Bill Maher is NOT -- repeat NOT -- equally hateful towards all religions and all extremists. He shows a very clear bias towards Zionist extremists.

Educate yourself about his bias and then come debate.
Until then, don't waste my time.

More incoherent rambling and idiotic mumbo jumbo.

The fact you cited his Jewish mother as somehow being Jewish makes him guilty and explains his views on Islam is slander, guilt by association, bigotry of the highest order, racism, and xenophobia.

But I don't blame you for holding these views.

I guess its your education and the people you surround yourself with you have brainwashed you to such a degree that these views have become commonplace and second nature to you.

Mention Jew and you automatically assume its something bad.

Truly Sad.

 

[Developereo]

More incoherent rambling and idiotic mumbo jumbo.

The fact you cited his Jewish mother as somehow being Jewish makes him guilty and explains his views on Islam is slander, guilt by association, bigotry of the highest order, racism, and xenophobia.

But I don't blame you for holding these views.

I guess its your education and the people you surround yourself with you have brainwashed you to such a degree that these views have become commonplace and second nature to you.

Mention Jew and you automatically assume its something bad.

Truly Sad.

The only incoherent, ignorant babbling is coming from YOU because you lack the intellectual honesty to hold a Jewish person to the same standards as a non-Jewish person. Your moral feebleness makes you scared to be called anti-Semitic, so you put blinders on intellectual honesty. Your feeble mind still cannot grasp the context that, to criticize one Jew for his conduct, is not to criticize all Jews.

Here is the scenario:

A true atheist would be critical of all religious fanatics, but Maher is not even-handed He displays blatant and strong favoritism to Jewish religious fanatics who are pro-Israel. By comparison, other atheist critics, like Christopher Hitchens were critical of Jewish fanatics, as well as Islamic and Christian fanatics.

That means Maher fails the test of fairness. He is biased. He is bigoted.

The question then becomes to find out what could explain his bias. It could be his Catholic upbringing, or his Jewish ethnicity,or anything else.

If he was biased by his Catholic upbringing, he would be favoring Catholics. But he does not.
He favors Jewish fanatics, just as many (not all) ethnic Jews favor Jewish religious fanatics.

Therefore, it is valid to point out his Jewish ethnicity in the context of his demonstrated bias.

 

[fallstuff]

I really don't understand what people see in that idiot.

His claimed platform of being an atheist is as fake as Peggy Bundy's hair !!

 

[Mercenary]

The only incoherent, ignorant babbling is coming from YOU because you lack the intellectual honesty to hold a Jewish person to the same standards as a non-Jewish person. Your moral feebleness makes you scared to be called anti-Semitic, so you put blinders on intellectual honesty.

Here is the scenario:

A true atheist would be critical of all religious fanatics, but Maher is not even-handed He displays blatant and strong favoritism to Jewish religious fanatics who are pro-Israel. By comparison, other atheist critics, like Christopher Hitchens were critical of Jewish fanatics, as well as Islamic and Christian fanatics.

That means Maher fails the test of fairness. He is biased. He is bigoted.

The question then becomes to find out what could explain his bias. It could be his Catholic upbringing, or his Jewish ethnicity.

If he was biased by his Catholic upbringing, he would be favoring Catholics. But he does not.
He favors Jewish fanatics, just as many (not all) ethnic Jews favor Jewish religious fanatics.

Therefore, it is valid to point out his Jewish ethnicity in the context of his demonstrated bias.

HAHAHAHA...

Now you have lost it.

Maher hates all religions. Watch his movie Religious. He supports Israel not because he likes the Jewish faith but the ideals he believes it espouses but he is totally critical of its settlements, etc. He is critical as to why Republicans and Evangalical christians support Israel because of the Messiah returning.

Its totally clear you have never even heard of Bill Maher before this interview got famous. I have known Bill Maher since his Politically Incorrect Days, and have watched every single episode of Real Time with Bill Maher.

You made an uneducated, ill-informed statement and have too much pride to take it back and accept that you were wrong.

Instead you keep trolling in the pathetic attempt to salvage your argument and all you are doing is burying yourself in a deeper hole.

I am done with this argument, but please keep trolling away.

Lets see if you can resist the urge to respond.

 

[Developereo]

HAHAHAHA...

Now you have lost it.

Maher hates all religions. Watch his movie Religious. He supports Israel not because he likes the Jewish faith but the ideals he believes it espouses but he is totally critical of its settlements, etc. He is critical as to why Republicans and Evangalical christians support Israel because of the Messiah returning.

Its totally clear you have never even heard of Bill Maher before this interview got famous. I have known Bill Maher since his Politically Incorrect Days, and have watched every single episode of Real Time with Bill Maher.

You made an uneducated, ill-informed statement and have too much pride to take it back and accept that you were wrong.

Instead you keep trolling in the pathetic attempt to salvage your argument and all you are doing is burying yourself in a deeper hole.

I am done with this argument, but please keep trolling away.

Lets see if you can resist the urge to respond.

I will respond to your imbecile claims since it is clear you have not watched the movie Religulous while awake.
If you did, you would have realized that he did not criticize the Jewish religious basis for the State of Israel. Instead he chose to focus on a small group of ultra-Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel on religious grounds

I suggest you watch the movie again -- this time with eyes open.

Israel supports the ideals he espouses?

What ideals would those be? Deciding citizenship on the basis of religion? Denying housing permits and benefits on the basis of religion and ethnicity?

Do you even know what your hands are typing, or is it all just vomiting stock phrases you have soaked up over the years just to sound "progressive"?

I have watched Maher since his early days also. I used to follow him for his political debates, and I knew him to be a phony from day one because, unlike his claim to be a Libertarian, he behaves more like a hardcore Democrat on most issues. His views on gun control, foreign policy and many others are completely counter to most Libertarians. But that's another discussion.

 

[Mercenary]

I will respond to your imbecile claims since it is clear you have not watched the movie Religulous while awake.
If you did, you would have realized that he did not criticize the Jewish religious basis for the State of Israel. Instead he chose to focus on a small group of ultra-Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel on religious grounds

I suggest you watch the movie again -- this time with eyes open.

Israel supports the ideals he espouses?

What ideals would those be? Deciding citizenship on the basis of religion? Denying housing permits and benefits on the basis of religion and ethnicity?

Do you even know what your hands are typing, or is it all just vomiting stock phrases you have soaked up over the years just to sound "progressive"?

I have watched Maher since his early days also. I used to follow him for his political debates, and I knew him to be a phony from day one because, unlike his claim to be a Libertarian, he behaves more like a hardcore Democrat on most issues. His views on gun control, foreign policy and many others are completely counter to most Libertarians. But that's another discussion.

Oh you responded. You are truly a Troll. I guess my responses are truly burning you.

He criticized Jews in the movie. He supports Israel because its a democracy, gives Gays and Lesbians equal rights, etc. Now that is a legitimate criticism as to why he is so ardently pro-Israel but that is a different debate. I don't support his views on Israel but the question is you brought his Jewish background as a way of explaining his criticism for Islam. The fact that you can't understand that is the issue.

Its clear you don't know Bill Maher. He was opposed to Iraq War, supports stringent gun control, but thats too complex for your feeble mind to handle.

For you and people cut from the same cloth. JEW = BAD, Anyone who criticizes Islam = Jew, Israel, Hindu, CIA, Zionist, Mossad

Keep Trolling

 

[Developereo]

Oh you responded. You are truly a Troll. I guess my responses are truly burning you.

I respond to your posts to show readers your ignorance and falsehoods.
Just adding emoticons to your post does not make it any more truthful or intelligent -- quite the opposite!

He criticized Jews in the movie.

Just parroting the same phrase without acknowledging that he reserved harsh criticism for anti-Israel Jews only shows you to be disingenuous.

I don't support his views on Israel but the question is you brought his Jewish background as a way of explaining his criticism for Islam.

Wrong again.

My assessment of him as a Jewish bigot predates this thread or this interview. I pegged him as a Jewish bigot because of his views on the Israel/Palestine conflict and his reluctance to criticize Zionists.

Its clear you don't know Bill Maher. He was opposed to Iraq War, supports stringent gun control, but thats too complex for your feeble mind to handle.

My mind is entirely aware of the Libertarian position on gun control.

Question is, do you -- oh, knower of Bill Maher -- have the faintest clue what are Libertarian positions on various matters and to what extent Bill Maher -- a self-proclaimed Libertarian -- views match those Libertarian positions?

Careful now. we might find out your "knowledge" on these matters is about as hollow as it is on the matter being debated.

For you and people cut from the same cloth. JEW = BAD, Anyone who criticizes Islam = Jew, Israel, Hindu, CIA, Zionist, Mossad

Keep Trolling

Right!
When you can't debate with specifics, just cover your ears and shout "anti-Semite":

 

[patriotpakistan]

Many americans of "jewish descent" are more likely to identify with their jewishness than any other identity. To them jewishness comes before anything else and that that translates to support for JSIL (Israel). They are willing to even commit treason for their jewish identity. Bill Maher is obviously one of those. Cases like Jonathan Pollard and Arnon Milchan are just the tip of the iceberg.

Note: To all those screaming anti-semitism, when you spew hatred about arabs you are being anti-semitic. Arabs are semites. The eastern european land grabbers calling themselves jews are not semites.

 

[Mercenary]

I respond to your posts to show readers your ignorance and falsehoods.
Just adding emoticons to your post does not make it any more truthful or intelligent -- quite the opposite!

I will respond because its fun pissing you off.

Just parroting the same phrase without acknowledging that he reserved harsh criticism for anti-Israel Jews only shows you to be disingenuous.

He criticized all Religions in his movie. You are too blinded by your hatred of Jews to see past that.

Wrong again.

My assessment of him as a Jewish bigot predates this thread or this interview. I pegged him as a Jewish bigot because of his views on the Israel/Palestine conflict and his reluctance to criticize Zionists.

How can an Atheist be labelled a Jewish bigot? or are all bigots Jewish?

Get an education. Not the Madrassah one

My mind is entirely aware of the Libertarian position on gun control.

Question is, do you -- oh, knower of Bill Maher -- have the faintest clue what are Libertarian positions on various matters and to what extent Bill Maher -- a self-proclaimed Libertarian -- views match those Libertarian positions?

Careful now. we might find out your "knowledge" on these matters is about as hollow as it is on the matter being debated.

Maher is a Liberal and not a Libertarian. Liberatarian are people like Rand Paul who dont want any government control on anything. Maher is a Social Liberal which means he supports big government to help the poor and proper oversight on matters such as gun control.

The fact that you don't know the difference between Liberal and Libertarian speaks volumes as to how intellectually bankrupt you really are.

Right!
When you can't debate with specifics, just cover your ears and shout "anti-Semite":

Yawn. Again, just rambling.

 

[Developereo]

I will respond because its fun pissing you off.

I am not the one spouting the shrill "anti-Semite" rants in lieu of facts.

He criticized all Religions in his movie. You are too blinded by your hatred of Jews to see past that.

Once again you demonstrate your lack of intellectual honesty.
The biggest manifestation of Jewish fanaticism in the Middle East is the supporters of Israel, not the opponents.

The fact that, come time to highlight Jewish extremism, he chose to criticize Israel's opponents (a tiny fringe) rather than the huge mass of Zionists is telling.

But I don't expect you to understand these things.

How can an Atheist be labelled a Jewish bigot? or are all bigots Jewish?

Get an education. Not the Madrassah one

Yet another imbecile who doesn't know the difference between Jewish ethnicity and religion!

Maher is a Liberal and not a Libertarian. Liberatarian are people like Rand Paul who dont want any government control on anything. Maher is a Social Liberal which means he supports big government to help the poor and proper oversight on matters such as gun control.

The fact that you don't know the difference between Liberal and Libertarian speaks volumes as to how intellectually bankrupt you really are.

Actually, it is YOU who is the clueless schmuck.

Maher claims to be a Libertarian, yet his positions on many issues mirror those of the Democrats, not Libertarians.

Contrary to your inanities, I know full well the difference between libertarian positions and others', which is why I consider Maher to be a phony libertarian.

Oh, and it's Ron Paul, not Rand Paul.
You have mixed up Ron Paul and Ayn Rand into one persona.

What is it with you clueless schmucks that you have this overriding urge to demonstrate your ignorance?

 

[Mercenary]

I am not the one spouting the shrill "anti-Semite" rants in lieu of facts.

You are a bigot. Anyone reading your comments can clearly see the hatred you have for Jews.

Once again you demonstrate your lack of intellectual honesty.
The biggest manifestation of Jewish fanaticism in the Middle East is the supporters of Israel, not the opponents.

The fact that, come time to highlight Jewish extremism, he chose to criticize Israel's opponents (a tiny fringe) rather than the huge mass of Zionists is telling.

But I don't expect you to understand these things.

He has constantly criticized the ardent zionists who choose to settle in West Bank but you lack the intellect to realize that. He criticized Jews in his movie and you can spin it however you want.

Yet another imbecile who doesn't know the difference between Jewish ethnicity and religion!

A clear sign that when someone is losing an argument is resorting to personal attacks.

Actually, it is YOU who is the clueless schmuck.

Read above

Maher claims to be a Libertarian, yet his positions on many issues mirror those of the Democrats, not Libertarians.

Maher is not a Libertarian he is a Social Liberal. Are you really that incompetent that you don't know the difference between the two?

Contrary to your inanities, I know full well the difference between libertarian positions and others', which is why I consider Maher to be a phony libertarian.

Oh, and it's Ron Paul, not Rand Paul.

Rand Paul is the son of Ron Paul and a senator from the state of Kentucky. You don't know anything and that comment just proved it.

Here learn something:
Rand Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have mixed up Ron Paul and Ayn Rand into one persona.

Read above.

What is it with you clueless schmucks that you have this overriding urge to demonstrate your ignorance?

Thanks for the personal attack.

Its clear to everyone you have utterly and totally lost the argument.

Congrats on making a total fool out of yourself.

 

[Developereo]

You are a bigot. Anyone reading your comments can clearly see the hatred you have for Jews.

Yet another shrill rant of anti-Semite because facts fail you.

He has constantly criticized the ardent zionists who choose to settle in West Bank but you lack the intellect to realize that. He criticized Jews in his movie and you can spin it however you want.

Wrong again.

The settlements are a secondary subject, compared to the central issue of Zionism's claim to Israel due to religion, and Maher fails to tackle that central tenet of Zionism.

Other atheists, like Christopher Hitchens, have highlighted that central aspect of Jewish fundamentalism. The fact that Maher not only avoids that central issue, but supports Israel, destroys his credibility as a critic of religious extremism.

A clear sign that when someone is losing an argument is resorting to personal attacks.

YOU are the one who started shouting anti-Semite, only to be exposed as an imbecile who doesn't know the difference between ethnicity and religion, or the basics of Orthodox Jewish traditions.

When faced with facts, all you could do was cover your ears and emit a shrill rant of "anti-Semite".

Maher is not a Libertarian he is a Social Liberal. Are you really that incompetent that you don't know the difference between the two?

Readers can see your difficulty with English.
I agree with you that he is a liberal, not a libertarian.

The point I am making, which eludes your brain, is that Maher claims to be a libertarian. That is yet another of his claims which is phony, like his claim to be equally opposed to all religious extremism.

Rand Paul is the son of Ron Paul and a senator from the state of Kentucky. You don't know anything and that comment just proved it.

You claimed he was a libertarian, but he is not. You quoted the wrong name.

Rand Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I'm not a libertarian," Paul says. TIME. Retrieved: 14 August 2014.

If you are going to throw names around, at least have the intellect to research the name before quoting it. It will save you the embarrassment of looking like a fool.

It is his father, Ron Paul, who is the most vocal libertarian on the national stage.

Its clear to everyone you have utterly and totally lost the argument.

Oh, it's clear all right, who has lost the plot long time ago.

 

[Mercenary]

Yet another shrill rant of anti-Semite because facts fail you.

You brought up the Jewishness in Maher's criticism. I think Stormfront will be a better forum for you.

Wrong again.

The settlements are a secondary subject, compared to the central issue of Zionism's claim to Israel due to religion, and Maher fails to tackle that central tenet of Zionism.

Maher supports Israel's right to exist but not to occupy. If you had read any of his books, or watched his documentary or his TV show, you should know.

Other atheists, like Christopher Hitchens, have highlighted that central aspect of Jewish fundamentalism. The fact that Maher not only avoids that central issue, but supports Israel, destroys his credibility as a critic of religious extremism.

He criticized Jews in his movie. He is making a religious movie and not a political one.

YOU are the one who started shouting anti-Semite, only to be exposed as an imbecile who doesn't know the difference between ethnicity and religion, or the basics of Orthodox Jewish traditions.

Yet again you have lost the plot. You specifically brought up Maher's Jewish mother as a way of explaining why he criticizes Islam as to mean that all Jews hate Islam.

When faced with facts, all you could do was cover your ears and emit a shrill rant of "anti-Semite".

You have not presented not a single iota of fact. All you have done is constant rambling much to my amusement.

Readers can see your difficulty with English.
I agree with you that he is a liberal, not a libertarian.

The only difficulty I see in this thread is your lack of the basic facts. You didn't know the difference between liberal and libertarian.

The point I am making, which eludes your brain, is that Maher claims to be a libertarian. That is yet another of his claims which is phony, like his claim to be equally opposed to all religious extremism.

Maher claims to be a Liberal and not a Liberatarian.

Read that comment again before commenting. And let it process for 10 seconds before firing off another nonsensical response.

You claimed he was a libertarian, but he is not. You quoted the wrong name.

Rand Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I'm not a libertarian," Paul says. TIME. Retrieved: 14 August 2014.

When Rand Paul said that he was much criticized for it as he had always claimed to be a Liberatarian. You just googled Rand Paul not Liberatarian and quickly found this quote and posted.

You are too mentally challeneged to understand the proper discourse in which said that statement.

Here read this and educate yourself, although I highly doubt that is possible in your case:
Shifting his views, Rand Paul seeks broader appeal — but may risk his outsider image - The Washington Post

If you are going to throw names around, at least have the intellect to research the name before quoting it. It will save you the embarrassment of looking like a fool.

Tsk Tsk...You are the fool who didn't know who Rand Paul was until I pointed it out to you.

It is his father, Ron Paul, who is the most vocal libertarian on the national stage.

Oh, it's clear all right, who has lost the plot long time ago.

Ron Paul has retired from Politics and thus his son Rand Paul carries the Liberatarian banner and thats why I mentioned Rand Paul and not Ron Paul.

But you clearly didn't know who Rand Paul was and thought it had something to do with Ayn Rand.

For someone who is suppose to be in a Think Tank, you don't do a lot of Thinking.

In any case I am done. I had my fun with you. I am sure you will respond because trolls like you have nothing better to do.

But don't worry I won't respond to humiliate you. I have already added you to the ignore list.

Have a nice troll filled life.

Now, go and type a ridiculous response to show the readers who intellectually backward you really are.

Ready

Go.

 

[atatwolf]

Ben will get a front row ticket in heaven.