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Beijing to take 'measures' if rights are denied
China Daily, December 10, 2016

China will take "necessary measures" to defend its legal rights if World Trade Organization members continue to use a non-market economy clause to assess dumping tariffs against it, a Ministry of Commerce spokesman said on Friday.

As a condition for being admitted to the WTO, China agreed in 2001 that other members could treat it as a "non-market economy" for 15 years, ending on Dec 11, Sunday.

Under this status, trading partners may use a surrogate country whose economic situation is similar to China's as a reference when determining whether China is dumping in their countries.

Shen Danyang, the Ministry of Commerce spokesman, said at a news conference on Friday that China opposes continued use of the system in anti-dumping investigations against China. "Some of the WTO members have not expressed explicitly that they will observe the 15th clause in an attempt to keep using the surrogate country system. We expect them to abide by the rules," Shen said. The 15th clause outlines when the surrogate system is inappropriate.

Analysts said China could takes measures ranging from filing petitions to retaliating in the dispute, according to analysts. Chen Xin, director of the business department of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences' Institute of European Studies, said China may appeal to the WTO.

"If the WTO rules that these countries have breached the terms of the agreement, they will have to pay for the losses Chinese companies have suffered in the anti-dumping cases. Meanwhile, China may retaliate by imposing higher taxes on imports from these countries," Chen said.

Chen said the anti-dumping cases against China in the European Union account for 2 percent of the total trading volume between the two sides. It does more harm than good if other trading sectors are hurt because of the anti-dumping cases.

Mei Xinyu, a researcher at the Commerce Ministry's Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, said that even if some countries label China as a non-market economy, it won't affect China's status as a leading country in trading.

"China has grown into a major exporter to many countries even though it has been treated as a non-market economy for years. Anti-dumping cases won't have much impact on China's overall trading volume. On the other hand, protectionism will only make the local businesses even weaker in competition," he said.

In response to the Japanese position on the issue, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that Japan needs to observe its obligation and stop using the surrogate country system in anti-dumping investigations against China as of Monday.

@Shotgunner51
"China has become the largest trading partner of a lot of countries," said Lu Kang, a Foreign Ministry spokesman. "China's market economy status is non-deniable whether Japan recognizes it or not."
 
Let's just impose higher taxes on imports from countries like the US and Japan.

One can always find reasons,justifications or even "excuses" for doing so.

And Let's see whose market end up bigger.:D:enjoy:

Indeed, if China decides to do so, it can find a technical excuse and impose similar tariffs on US, EU and Japanese exports. A WTO settlement would take years and by then harm would have already been done.

Japan has been doing this technical tariffs on the US for years. The US has not been able to open up Japan's car market, for example.

I think reciprocal punishment is coming.
 
Let's just impose higher taxes on imports from countries like the US and Japan.

One can always find reasons,justifications or even "excuses" for doing so.

And Let's see whose market end up bigger.:D:enjoy:

Indeed, if China decides to do so, it can find a technical excuse and impose similar tariffs on US, EU and Japanese exports. A WTO settlement would take years and by then harm would have already been done.

Japan has been doing this technical tariffs on the US for years. The US has not been able to open up Japan's car market, for example.

I think reciprocal punishment is coming.

I don't get how China is going to retaliate.

For example, if the US enforces trade barriers on China, how will China retaliate?
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china
U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $659.4 billion in 2015. Exports were $161.6 billion; imports were $497.8 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $336.2 billion in 2015.

Any examples?
 
I don't get how China is going to retaliate.

For example, if the US enforces trade barriers on China, how will China retaliate?
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china
U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $659.4 billion in 2015. Exports were $161.6 billion; imports were $497.8 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $336.2 billion in 2015.

Any examples?

US export to China is smaller but this does not mean it is not important for the US economy. After all US exports are smaller in size than that of China. In terms of percentage, what the US sells to China it is still significant for their economy.

China can also respond through US companies that manufacture in China and "export" to the US, such as Apple and General Motors.

The fact is the two economies are very interconnected.
 
US export to China is smaller but this does not mean it is not important for the US economy. After all US exports are smaller in size than that of China. In terms of percentage, what the US sells to China it is still significant for their economy.

China can also respond through US companies that manufacture in China and "export" to the US, such as Apple and General Motors.

The fact is the two economies are very interconnected.

Both are flawed. US exports to China is smaller, but the US exports are high tech like Boeing or cooperation with large banks and financial companies, which China cannot simply replace. If you stop importing Boeing jets, then you buy Airbus jets at a higher price, not good for the Chinese airline industry at all, and not good for China overall.

As for using companies like Apple, they will simply switch their export base by manufacturing American destined goods in other countries which are more friendly with the US. For example, Apple wants to setup a production unit in India also. So if China plays games with Apple in China, Apple will move to India.

And a lot of the Chinese trade with all other countries is dependent on foreign companies in China. For example, Korea exports ICs to China, but people don't mention that the ICs are sold to Korean companies manufacturing in China, meaning Samsung-Korea is exporting to Samsung-China to make a Samsung phone which is then sold worldwide. If you put up barriers, then Samsung-China will switch production to another country and Samsung-Korea will then export to, say, Samsung-Vietnam instead. The Chinese will then buy a Samsung phone at a higher markup because of the barrier. Or, of course, the better option is Samsung will keep its Chinese operations only to service Chinese customers. That will mean China will lose the entire global market of Samsung because China decided to put up trade barriers in retaliation to Korea putting up barriers on Chinese steel imports.

So in this scenario, Korea lost nothing. The steel related barrier is still in place boosting their steel industry and Samsung's business has merely moved from China to another country. But China lost its steel exports as well as global Samsung exports (just an example), while the continued import of Samsung-Korea's ICs for the Chinese market will increase trade deficit.

You see what's happening? It's the same with the US or EU. They will simply switch to other countries because China-EU/US trade is in the low cost or low tech sector. There's nothing special manufactured in China that is unique to China and is in demand globally.

There's another problem. Even if you are importing something, it creates jobs in your country. So if India is importing Chinese goods, there are people marketing and selling those goods in India, basically the manufacturing sector of one country gives rise to a service sector in another. So if you get into some sort of retaliation to protect jobs in one sector, you will risk killing jobs in another sector. Otoh, US and EU will be far less worried about this because their service industry will simply switch to another manufacturer for supplies. People will easily buy an alternative to a low cost good if it comes in cheaper from elsewhere.

So if the US raises trade barriers against Chinese steel, I think China will do its utmost to maintain trade in other sectors. And looking at the frequency of the Chinese threats, which has been every few days since Trump was elected, I think China has little to no leverage in this matter. Ultimately, China still has to follow WTO rules or even other countries will start breaking them, all to China's detriment.
 
US export to China is smaller but this does not mean it is not important for the US economy. After all US exports are smaller in size than that of China. In terms of percentage, what the US sells to China it is still significant for their economy.

China can also respond through US companies that manufacture in China and "export" to the US, such as Apple and General Motors.

The fact is the two economies are very interconnected.
Forget it. The Indian brain does not understand
 
Indeed, if China decides to do so, it can find a technical excuse and impose similar tariffs on US, EU and Japanese exports. A WTO settlement would take years and by then harm would have already been done.

Japan has been doing this technical tariffs on the US for years. The US has not been able to open up Japan's car market, for example.

I think reciprocal punishment is coming.

China is more dependent on other's markets, than others are on China's.

US export to China is smaller but this does not mean it is not important for the US economy. After all US exports are smaller in size than that of China. In terms of percentage, what the US sells to China it is still significant for their economy.

China can also respond through US companies that manufacture in China and "export" to the US, such as Apple and General Motors.

The fact is the two economies are very interconnected.

They are interconnected, but it is no doubting the fact that China needs US markets more than the other way round. Just look at the trade figures to understand.

Forget it. The Indian brain does not understand

You should perhaps develop some ability to reason and associated logical faculties.

That China is more dependent on US markets is so clearly represented in trade figures, that it is astounding that you can't recognize that.
 
Simple, Chinese businessmen listen to the government and will do as instructed, American government listen to the business people and act on their behalf. Business people put the money first and a trade war with China is the last thing they have the guts to take on.

CNN: 8 reasons why starting a trade war with China is a bad idea
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/16/news/economy/us-china-trade-war-donald-trump/

CBS:Trade war with China: “A very dangerous domino”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trade-war-with-china-a-very-dangerous-domino/

Wall Street Journal: If Trump Launched a Trade War on Asia
http://www.wsj.com/articles/if-trump-launched-a-trade-war-on-asia-1459270919


You know who controls those US news outlets of course
 
Simple, Chinese businessmen listen to the government and will do as instructed, American government listen to the business people and act on their behalf. Business people put the money first and a trade war with China is the last thing they have the guts to take on.

CNN: 8 reasons why starting a trade war with China is a bad idea
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/16/news/economy/us-china-trade-war-donald-trump/

CBS:Trade war with China: “A very dangerous domino”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trade-war-with-china-a-very-dangerous-domino/

Wall Street Journal: If Trump Launched a Trade War on Asia
http://www.wsj.com/articles/if-trump-launched-a-trade-war-on-asia-1459270919


You know who controls those US news outlets of course

Incorrect. America is a democracy. So the American govt listens to its people, not its businesses. If a move can create more votes, the govt will make that move.

Why do you think Trump won even though he did not have support of the businesses, media or celebrities?
 
Incorrect. America is a democracy. So the American govt listens to its people, not its businesses. If a move can create more votes, the govt will make that move.

Why do you think Trump won even though he did not have support of the businesses, media or celebrities?


Yawn, just another brainwashed Indian

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites...testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

http://journal-neo.org/2014/11/11/princeton-makes-it-official-usa-has-become-oligarchy-no-democracy/

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
 
Let's just impose higher taxes on imports from countries like the US and Japan.

One can always find reasons,justifications or even "excuses" for doing so.

And Let's see whose market end up bigger.:D:enjoy:

China is dependent on these countries for much of machinery and high tech raw materials..so it would hurt china own industry...beside how could chinese manufacture motors below the cost of copper used in them is always beyond basic sense of mathematics..if this is not dumping? then what is it?
 
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