Behold - The USAF's Version of the Death Star

[Developereo]

Back to topic, maybe?

 

[Viper0011.]

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Unbelievable post!! Could you support these bad guys who target innocent civilians more openly than this? Your own religion in its true context forbids from targeting women, children and elderly SPECIFICALLY. And here you are....supporting open terrorism???
The US ALLOWS its people to conduct activities as they please to as it is a democratic society. We don't go down on our knees in front of these terrorists nor do we refuse people's democratic rights to them for any reason.
If these guys were denied entry or were canceled their naturalized US citizenship due to them being suspects a long time ago, somehow, I think your post would still be anti-US that the US doesn't like muslims living there, etc, etc and how they canceled "innocent muslims" citizenship. But that didn't happen.
Instead, these idiots killed innocent people and your post still is anti-US. So for people like this, nothing we can do that'll change your ways of thinking. You have a very close mind towards the US and that's just a reality. Sorry, can't help ya.

 

[humanfirst]

Yeah, Ottoman Empire "lost" its military superiority in 10th century......and conquered Constantinople in 15th century

Dumbf*ck ignorant of history : Early middle-ages is an era from 5th to 10th century...Islamic World remained dominant superpower of the globe even centuries after 'high-middleages' ..forget about early middle-ages thingy..Again..you need to take some history course....

What i meant was early modern age,which i corrected even before your posts..Please check the time of posts..

From 7th century to 18th century, Islamic World was the leader of world in science, wealth, technology, large cities, health, arts, literature, medicine etc over-all (China was ahead in some aspect..so were others..but I'm talking about "over-all"..just like today, China is the largest industrial producer..but yet, "over-all", West is ahead still)...By 16th century onwards, West started to rise, closing the gap...yet the number one spot remained to Islamic World. Kinda like now, from last two decades, China is rising, and even surpassing U.S in some fields, but number one spot remains to U.S...It was only after 18th century, specially in 19th-20th century, that West decisively took over...Even Western scholars admit this fact....Fcuk..even highly anti-Muslim middle-eastern history scholars, such as Daniel Pipes, write in their writings what I've written..Not to mention Bernard Lewis

Islamic world was the world leader only during the "islamic golden age" which spanned from middle of 8th century to 14th century..After 15th century,it gradually lost the technological superiority to europe..

And wasn't the Caliphate the centerpiece of political islam..?In which the Caliph was meant to be political and Ideological head of muslims?

 

[AUz]

What i meant was early modern age,which i corrected even before your posts..Please check the time of posts..


Islamic world was the world leader only during the "islamic golden age" which spanned from middle of 8th century to 14th century..After 15th century,it gradually lost the technological superiority to europe..

Now I can bet my life that you have never taken any history class..or seriously studied any subject regarding this..

The classical, and wrong, view of Western biased scholars was "Oh...After mongol invasion, everything was finished"...This theory has been completely debunked by modern Scholarship. Read George Saliba for example...In his book, he looks at detailed manuscripts, food records, scientific production curves, GDP per capita records etc etc...In 16th century, Islamic World are right on top! As I said, it was DURING 16th century that west started rising and Islamic World wasn't keeping up...it took 2 centuries for Islamic World to lose its position of number 1 or global leader of humanity in science, technology, military, arts, culture, economy etc etc..

Again, today, China is rising...rising faster than U.S...U.S is not able to keep pace with China...BUT..it does NOT mean that China has replaced U.S already...it definitely will in a century or so..but till then..U.S remains the global leader...Same applies to Islamic World of 16th to 18th century...though it was losing to Europe gradually, it was still "the number one" global leader of the planet...

Its funny you claim that Islam had lost its superiority in 14th century where-as the Ottoman Empire achieved its HEIGHT of superiority/power in mid 16th century...I don't even want to talk about the wealth of Mughals and other Islamic Empires in Persia, Afghanistan, Central Asia etc...

 

[humanfirst]

Now I can bet my life that you have never taken any history class..or seriously studied any subject regarding this..

The classical, and wrong, view of Western biased scholars was "Oh...After mongol invasion, everything was finished"...This theory has been completely debunked by modern Scholarship. Read George Saliba for example...In his book, he looks at detailed manuscripts, food records, scientific production curves, GDP per capita records etc etc...In 16th century, Islamic World are right on top! As I said, it was DURING 16th century that west started rising and Islamic World wasn't keeping up...it took 2 centuries for Islamic World to lose its position of number 1 or global leader of humanity in science, technology, military, arts, culture, economy etc etc..

I too disagree with the claim that mangol invation finished off islamic golden age..Where i disagree with you is in the broad claim that islamic world was number1 till 18th century..

.Same applies to Islamic World of 16th to 18th century...though it was losing to Europe gradually, it was still "the number one" global leader of the planet...

Its funny you claim that Islam had lost its superiority in 14th century where-as the Ottoman Empire achieved its HEIGHT of superiority/power in mid 16th century...I don't even want to talk about the wealth of Mughals and other Islamic Empires in Persia, Afghanistan, Central Asia etc...

No it wasn't the number 1 global leader in 16th and 17th century..I can substantiate with references to comparative scientific achievements,number of higher educational institutions,military technology etc in those centuries.You can definitely see that islamic empires weren't number 1 super powers in 16th and 17th centuries,let alone remaining number1 till 18th century..

 

[Safriz]

Unbelievable post!! Could you support these bad guys who target innocent civilians more openly than this? Your own religion in its true context forbids from targeting women, children and elderly SPECIFICALLY. And here you are....supporting open terrorism???
The US ALLOWS its people to conduct activities as they please to as it is a democratic society. We don't go down on our knees in front of these terrorists nor do we refuse people's democratic rights to them for any reason.
If these guys were denied entry or were canceled their naturalized US citizenship due to them being suspects a long time ago, somehow, I think your post would still be anti-US that the US doesn't like muslims living there, etc, etc and how they canceled "innocent muslims" citizenship. But that didn't happen.
Instead, these idiots killed innocent people and your post still is anti-US. So for people like this, nothing we can do that'll change your ways of thinking. You have a very close mind towards the US and that's just a reality. Sorry, can't help ya.

Very idiotic post...
Criticizing the American agencies who get paid for protecting their citizens is equal to supporting terrorism...
How daft can one be?
Somebody who was being watched by FBI for years including their internet activities,managed to pull of such a large scale terrorist act on such a heavily guarded and important event is shameful for American agencies,and if they are ill equipped to do their job,they should be given more equipment.That is more important than spending billions on a "Death star"

So how do you contemplate this and my previous posts as supporting terrorism? Mr Bigoted amreekan.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Very idiotic post...
Criticizing the American agencies who get paid for protecting their citizens is equal to supporting terrorism...
How daft can one be?
Somebody who was being watched by FBI for years including their internet activities,managed to pull of such a large scale terrorist act on such a heavily guarded and important event is shameful for American agencies,and if they are ill equipped to do their job,they should be given more equipment.That is more important than spending billions on a "Death star"

So how do you contemplate this and my previous posts as supporting terrorism? Mr Bigoted amreekan.

Un key paisey hein, jaisay marzi kharch karein. Agar woh zaaya kertay hein to humara hee faida hey.

 

[AUz]

I too disagree with the claim that mangol invation finished off islamic golden age..Where i disagree with you is in the broad claim that islamic world was number1 till 18th century..

Arab Golden age isn't "Islamic Golden Age"....

Islamic World went far beyond that just Arabia..

No it wasn't the number 1 global leader in 16th and 17th century..I can substantiate with references to comparative scientific achievements,number of higher educational institutions,military technology etc in those centuries.You can definitely see that islamic empires weren't number 1 super powers in 16th and 17th centuries,let alone remaining number1 till 18th century..

lol....Again, you are unable to make the difference between West's "rise" and "decisive take-over as number 1" .... While newton was writing his laws, it was the time of West's "rise"...but still, it was behind Islamic World in total wealth, economy, geographic spread, military might, urban development etc...You're just beating a dead horse..

Are you really telling me that the Ottoman Empire wasn't the strongest, largest, most dominant Empire in Europe in say 1550? 1650? Seriously? lol... The physical geographic expansion of Ottoman Empire was itself stopped in 1683 at Vienna...it was AFTER that the 'decline' started gradually...

Even in 16th-17th century, no western power could stand a chance against the Ottomans..so much so..that Western powers needed to attack single Ottoman empire by combining their forces..and yet, Ottoman dominated them in most of the times..You can judge the industrial production capacity of Ottomans by battle of Leopanto..When Spain, and ten other European/papal naval fleet attacked and destroyed Ottoman's cornered fleet in battle of Leopanto in late 16th century, Ottoman Empire fielded a larger, more sophisticated naval fleet in the Mediterranean WITHIN A YEAR re-establishing their supremacy in Eastern Mediterranean!! But hey, who cares about historic facts here, right?

I don't know why are you denying simple history? Just because you don't like Islam?

 

[Mitro]

A ray shield, a type of deflector shield, was a protective force field. There were two basic types of energy shields: ray shields, which absorbed radiation and blaster bolts and particle shields, which repulsed solid objects. Although ray shields could be used to defend planetary bases, they were more commonly associated with protecting starships from stellar radiation and enemy fire.

 

[Viper0011.]

Very idiotic post...
Criticizing the American agencies who get paid for protecting their citizens is equal to supporting terrorism...
How daft can one be?
Somebody who was being watched by FBI for years including their internet activities,managed to pull of such a large scale terrorist act on such a heavily guarded and important event is shameful for American agencies,and if they are ill equipped to do their job,they should be given more equipment.That is more important than spending billions on a "Death star"

So how do you contemplate this and my previous posts as supporting terrorism? Mr Bigoted amreekan.

I am super confused. What are you talking about? In Pakistan, there are attacks EVERYDAY that somehow involve their security personnel and a lot of them have been killed. Is that a failure of the intelligence agency or is it a fact that this is the nature of the beast? Also, even within the UK, the US agencies tipped them off MANY times. So PLEASE. Excuse us Americans with this anti-American b.s. that goes on here. Let's be factual.
These guys weren't UNDER active investigation for 'YEARS' as your post says. They went to Russia, the Russians asked the FBI to look into these guys, they were questioned like citizens and the FBI reported back that their trip to Russia had nothing to do with terrorism. Usually, this also means a through background check from their home country.
Now they came back and watched al-qaeda videos online and practice making stuff.....at a race event and in a place where men, women and children are everywhere....it's hard to check or stop everyone. Plus, the democracy ALSO gives people powers. No one can really just pull you over and suspect you of terrorism unless they have a court order or some executive order. So you imagine that in every race or parade, the police and the FBI would 'guess' that who may be coming from 330 million people? And then they'll search everyone when the event is a mile long with traffic running on the side streets, trains moving with people, thousands of cars passing by??? Wake up man and get your facts straight. Plus, two people's individual act doesn't change a military's strategy and doctrine. To expect this even to stop the DS program by DoD or Pentagon......its plain silly. I think you should know this, Americans don't bend down to terrorism and we don't stop our daily lived because of it. The country moved forward under all circumstances and people come together. That's the American spirit....one nation under God (and that nation includes muslim population also. this isn't about muslims as you guys tend to believe). It's about weakening an enemy who committed 911 and killed thousands of innocent people in NYC. And also they killed hundreds of thousands of people (directly and indirectly) in Pakistan and Afghanistan. These people in Pak-Afghan region were mulims mind you. So please get your facts straight instead of showing hate without a reason. One last remark...what country lets you build your own mosque at a foreign territory, you can observe Islamic days, events, etc. ALL of this when the nation is Christian by nature.
The point is, this country is fair to everyone and people succeed here.

 

[truthseeker2010]

I will request all of you to please discuss in some other thread this thread is just for pictures and videos..... so keep it that way