Beautiful Response to a Statement "Islam is not Peaceful"

[Aka123]

Adding to that ..... One should learn to discriminate between Good and Bad. Abusing a whole community because of some is nothing but sheer stupidity!

Well this is my opinion and I follow that.

 

[sur]

News on this debate & it's videos were already posted here:
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...slim-bias-mainstream-media-2.html#post4503596

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Here's Adam Deen's page:

http://www.adamdeen.com


His you tube page:
http://www.youtube.com/user/thedeeninstitute/videos
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...And here are views from me as a champion debater from college years...

...However his opponents were not talking about 850 AD, they are talking about 2013 AD...

Self proclaimed "champion", you should polish shoes of these debaters.
The forum (Oxford Union) voted 286 -vs- 186, so much for ur "champion-ness"...

http://oxfordstudent.com/2013/05/30/debate-this-house-believes-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace/



& NO, the debate was NOT on "Islam in 2013" so doesn't matter what era opponents were locked in,,, the topic was on "Islam" irrespective of era.

I don't think you sat down and watched all the debates.

And hence the ignorance.

peace

I watched them before you did, learned about results on May-23rd(from one of the debaters) the very day debate happened. & Posted news on May-30th & videos on July-8th, before this thread, can't a self-proclaimed champion debater read.!! Save ur phony wishes of peace for someone else Mr.Self-Proclaimed-Champion.

Thats a pretty horrible count considering it was a pretty straight forward question. ...

Nops,,,, 286-vs-186 was pretty good outcome from a muslim`s perspective keeping in mind that debate happened just the day after Woolwich fale-flag incidence. While islamophobia was red-hot all over media.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Claims and Counter claims and it goes on and on and on......
Blames and Counter blames and it goes on and on and on....

Btw he said very well..... One can't conclude something taking examples of 1% and just ignoring the rest 99%.

yaaara, I have watched all the participants in this debate. And here are views from me as a champion debater from college years.

Just like so many other $tupid debates on "Islam is this, and Islam is that",

this debate is $tupid as well.


A debate means one side says "XYZ is good in a particular context ABC".

The other side must respond that "XYZ is BAD in a particular context ABC".


Why? because XYZ cannot be absolutely good or bad. We must agree on the context ABC before the start of the debate.


Mehdi Hassan in this case is loud mouth, but utterly lame. He talks about Alkhawarizmi who died in 850 AD.

However his opponents were not talking about 850 AD, they are talking about 2013 AD.


So just treat this as a typical chest thumping by those who desperately want the term Islam to be in positive light, and in their desperation, they are willing to hitch their wagon to Tom dick Shankar and Abdullah, even a loud mouth lame debater like Mehdi Hassan.


peace to you.

May you live long and prosper

May you have great spiritual experience during this holy month.

Amen

 

[Marshmallow]

Adding to that ..... One should learn to discriminate between Good and Bad. Abusing a whole community because of some is nothing but sheer stupidity!

Well this is my opinion and I follow that.

yes same here me too!

 

[FaujHistorian]

o but da dabates shud go on....u can not zip thm up

That's fair.

men live for debates.

Aren't we all on PDF doing the same?

However if you have to debate, then be intelligent enough to define the topic, and the CONTEXT beforehand.

If you do not, then you will look like a fool.

nothing personal bhai.






peace to you.

May you live long and prosper

May you have great spiritual experience during this holy month.

Amen

 

[Marshmallow]

@RAMPAGE u shud reply here in defence of da debate u postd

 

[Aka123]

yaaara, I have watched all the participants in this debate. And here are views from me as a champion debater from college years.

Just like so many other $tupid debates on "Islam is this, and Islam is that",

this debate is $tupid as well.


A debate means one side says "XYZ is good in a particular context ABC".

The other side must respond that "XYZ is BAD in a particular context ABC".


Why? because XYZ cannot be absolutely good or bad. We must agree on the context ABC before the start of the debate.


Mehdi Hassan in this case is loud mouth, but utterly lame. He talks about Alkhawarizmi who died in 850 AD.

However his opponents were not talking about 850 AD, they are talking about 2013 AD.


So just treat this as a typical chest thumping by those who desperately want the term Islam to be in positive light, and in their desperation, they are willing to hitch their wagon to Tom dick Shankar and Abdullah, even a loud mouth lame debater like Mehdi Hassan.


peace to you.

May you live long and prosper

May you have great spiritual experience during this holy month.

Amen

Thnx Bro.... For the wishes!!

 

[RAMPAGE]

@RAMPAGE u shud reply here in defence of da debate u postd

sorry i'm not seeking an argument and i'm not trying to convince anything to anyone , the debate is there for u to see and judge ! agar kisi nai convince hona hai to vo video dekh kar ho jai ga , vo kehatai hai na : akalmand k liay ishaara hi kaffi hota hai

 

[FaujHistorian]

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the debate was NOT on "Islam in 2013" so doesn't matter what era opponents were locked in, they were talking on "Islam" irrespective of era.

I don't think you sat down and watched all the debates.

And hence the ignorance.


peace

 

[Aka123]

@Marshmallow ..... What your Avatar says is Perfect!! Your Avatar just read my mind!!

 

[forcetrip]

The forum (Oxford Union) voted 286 -vs- 186

Thats a pretty horrible count considering it was a pretty straight forward question. How would the votes change with a few more high profile bombings is what you have to see. Generalization is an inbuilt quality of the human race. Whether in anger or as humor. It is done and will continue to be the case till the existence of mankind.

 

[forcetrip]

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Nops,,,, It was pretty good outcome from a muslim`s perspective keeping in mind that debate happened just the day after Woolwich fale-flag incidence. While islamophobia was red-hot all over media.

Thats exactly my point .. 35% in the room full of highly educated people voted against islam. What would you expect the actual idiot on the street to say who would just generalize according to what happened yesterday? These numbers will rise.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Thats a pretty horrible count considering it was a pretty straight forward question. How would the votes change with a few more high profile bombings is what you have to see. Generalization is an inbuilt quality of the human race. Whether in anger or as humor. It is done and will continue to be the case till the existence of mankind.

Muslims must accept that their countries are behaving like uncouth tribals, or worse they are behaving like medieval Christian kingdoms.

And thus we got the tribal/medieval diseases.

Not Islam

but the fake followers of Islam aka Islamists are the biggest culprits,

but the rest of the Muslims have contribution in it too.



Unless we the majority Muslims improve our countries, make them tolerant, make them civilized, we (and not others) will continue bringing bad name to beautiful religion of Islam (all religions are beautiful at the core).


As we have the medieval Christian disease, the possible solution would come from there too.

They saved their religion by kicking out politics and state out of it.


We the Muslims must save and sanctify our religion by kicking out state and politicians out of our mosques.


And if we do not,

We'll be stuck with medieval Christian behavior and character.


peace

 

[forcetrip]

Muslims must accept that their countries are behaving like uncouth tribals, or worse they are behaving like medieval Christian kingdoms.

And thus we got the tribal/medieval diseases.

Not Islam

but the fake followers of Islam aka Islamists are the biggest culprits,

but the rest of the Muslims have contribution in it too.



Unless we the majority Muslims improve our countries, make them tolerant, make them civilized, we (and not others) will continue bringing bad name to beautiful religion of Islam (all religions are beautiful at the core).


As we have the medieval Christian disease, the possible solution would come from there too.

They saved their religion by kicking out politics and state out of it.


We the Muslims must save and sanctify our religion by kicking out state and politicians out of our mosques.


And if we do not,

We'll be stuck with medieval Christian behavior and character.


peace

There is no real Christianity left around the world let alone medieval Christianity. Only religions that has survived the 20th century is Capitalism and that too is transforming as the information age dawns on it. A religion that can not change, can not survive or should I say survive successfully.

 

[SQ8]

The simple factor is.. Whether Islam is peaceful or not will be judged by the conduct of Muslims. A conduct that is recorded , re-recorded and not left in any sort of pure narrative. If for eg.. We are doubtful of the accounts of CNN or Fox News on the Iraq war and so on.. why cant we assume that there were similar reporting "ethics" in place back in those times as well. Where, massacres were disguised as error of judgement.. and where a liberation army has been accused of being invaders.
History is as those in power choose to tell it, and it is quite easily vetted by ensuring that academics vouch for it which makes it suddenly kosher. Eloquence of voice and prose will ensure that you may be able to convince a realist of surrealism that will be real to him. Phrases such as "Paranoia of Islam under siege" or "Violence is visible in Islamic history" are used to negate any defensive arguments with an encompassing ruse of being above the argument itself.

So, whole accounts of history, culture.. can be re-written into deriding a religion and its ethos so that those who have even the slightest of doubts feel ashamed of it. None more so are involved in these acts than the equivalent(to borrow a brilliant analogy by Mohsin Hamid) of Jannisaries in these times. Just as the Turks took these christian boys to raise them as Muslims.. today the opposite is happening.. and these western Muslims..the foreign educated.. are being turned into the Jannisaries of today. More paranoid and vitriolic than the harshest of external critique's.. these "Born-again" Jannisaries are convinced that they have seen a better light in the exorcism of Islam. It starts with critique of Muslim countries, then re-interpretation of Islam in a very abstruse manner that baffles even the most accommodating of scholars and practicing muslims alike.
The second front is the "home-grown" Islamic extremist, terrorist.. those that are born and bred in these countries. These promote the view that Islam is violent from the get-go regardless of the "modern" values and so on. Hence, it is a religion to be either cautiously avoided or committed genocide against in order to protect "our way of life".
So either , identify yourself as a Muslim who isnt one at all..a homosexual by choice who tattoo's Allah on his body.. or be prepared to be demonized by examples of criminals and demons who are bred in mosques where the Imam's preach hatred between sects on a regular basis and encourage no intelligence but total compliance to the clergy. Yet all of these may very well be dismissed as fanciful conspiracy theories..

It just depends on what you choose to believe in.. and you believe in something by researching it.. reading about it..
Perhaps all that there is ; is Paranoia about Islam under siege..

Or perhaps it truly is .. in a long, well thought out.. and very well executed siege.

How many surrealists will it take to decipher that question? Nutella