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[Zeeshan360]

Well said !!

 

[President Camacho]

I never claimed to be an expert regarding issues in the subcontinent.

Those were just my personal opinions.

From our Pakistani friends, I have read that the only shared ethnicity (in significant numbers I mean) between the two nations is Punjabi.

And they only make up a few percent of India's population.

I could be wrong of course, I'll try to read up on it more.

All I can say is, indeed you are wrong.

I am not asking you to believe my words. I am simply requesting you to briefly go through the history of India (that included today's Pakistan as well) 1800 AD onwards. You will know how the seed of two nation theory was sown, and which ethnicities were the ones that facilitated it and how, and most importantly, how the majority of all ethnic Pakistanis share the same genes with the Indians.

 

[kingkobra]

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False. You do not find Marathis, people from Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Assam, Manipur, Orissa etc in Pakistan. Likewise, you do not find Tajiks, Chitralis, Baltis, Kalashas, Balochis in India. There are some common races you find in India, Pakistan such as: Punjabis, Sindhis, Gujaratis, Kashmiris, Biharis, even Bengalis (yes, there are Bengalis in Pakistan too), Pakhtuns (yes, there are a few ethnic Pakhtuns in India as well, such as Irfan Pathan & Yusuf Pathan) and some races from the South (some people from South India form the minority Hindu community in Sindh, Pakistan). But there are still some races not found in either country that are found in the other.

Remember, India and Pakistan are artificial countries formed in 1947. The 4 provinces in Pakistan have very little in common with each other, except the common Indus Valley Heritage & religion (for the most part). North India was initially inhabited by Aryans, South India by Dravidians; and today, most parts of India have some kind of Aryan-Dravidian mix over all the years. There was no one country called India or Pakistan before 1947. It was called the Indian subcontinent. There was no one ruler of the whole Indian subcontinent. Punjab belonged to Punjabis, Bihar to Bihar, Bengal to Bengalis, Kashmir to Kashmiris etc. These states each had their own, separate rulers. The Indian subcontinent before 1947 was not one country, but more like Europe: a continent.

i do not know about your other posts but you seem to be one of very few sensible pakistanis on this forum.

 

[53fd]

i do not know about your other posts but you seem to be one of very few sensible pakistani.

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i do not know about your other posts but you seem to be one of very few sensible pakistanis on this forum.

I'm an ethnic Bihari, my Dad was born in India & left it in 1947 when he was 3. My mother was born & raised in Patna, before she moved to Pakistan when she married my Dad.

 

[53fd]

All I can say is, indeed you are wrong.

I am not asking you to believe my words. I am simply requesting you to briefly go through the history of India (that included today's Pakistan as well) 1800 AD onwards. You will know how the seed of two nation theory was sown, and which ethnicities were the ones that facilitated it and how, and most importantly, how the majority of all ethnic Pakistanis share the same genes with the Indians.

Patanjali, could you please respond to post # 525? Thanks.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

All I can say is, indeed you are wrong.

I am not asking you to believe my words. I am simply requesting you to briefly go through the history of India (that included today's Pakistan as well) 1800 AD onwards. You will know how the seed of two nation theory was sown, and which ethnicities were the ones that facilitated it and how, and most importantly, how the majority of all ethnic Pakistanis share the same genes with the Indians.

Alright I'll defer to you on this point, until I get some reading done.

I'd like some more input from Pakistani members though.

In my experience, they are often angry when such claims are made of shared ethnicity.

 

[53fd]

Alright I'll defer to you on this point, until I get some reading done.

I'd like some more input from Pakistani members though.

In my experience, they are often angry when such claims are made of shared ethnicity.

I've already answered your question in post # 525, and it has not been refuted by any Indian member here. You are correct to an extent, but there are a few clarifications to be made. I've made them in my post # 525.

 

[President Camacho]

Alright I'll defer to you on this point, until I get some reading done.

I'd like some more input from Pakistani members though.

In my experience, they are often angry when such claims are made of shared ethnicity.

Of course they will be angry, because it is such a preposterous idea to be related to any Indian in any way!

Please do undertake a brief study, especially about where the funds for the revolt came from, and which ethnicities in Pakistan constitute what percentage of the population.

P.S. Just for your sake, I was about to reply to that Pakistani poster who is trying his/her best to refute my argument, but since I have noticed him trolling to no limits, I will wait for you to come up with your own finds.

 

[prototype]

Most people in China don't know anything about politics, and just go by what they read on the news.

Among those Chinese who are aware of the past history of relations between China/Pakistan/India... these individuals will tend to rate Pakistan at the top, or near the top.

EDIT: It is interesting to note that that China's attitude towards India is quite balanced... while India's view of China, is extremely negative.

There is the direction of the hostility.

well i must admit that because in India,most people r to much interested in politics,and as most of them know the past Indo-China relationship and the Sino-Pak axis,thats why they r extremely negative towards China.

 

[53fd]

Of course they will be angry, because it is such a preposterous idea to be related to any Indian in any way!

Why would it be preposterous? I am proud of my Bihari roots, and being an ethnic Bihari. Baboo kaa hua, tore ko hamri baat bahooot burri lagi? Ko? Kaahe ko? But please, let's stick to the facts here.

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

I never claimed to be an expert regarding issues in the subcontinent.

Those were just my personal opinions.

From our Pakistani friends, I have read that the only shared ethnicity (in significant numbers I mean) between the two nations is Punjabi.

And they only make up a few percent of India's population.

I could be wrong of course, I'll try to read up on it more.

Bolded part is not correct, Indian Punjab of 1947 was further divided into 3 differant states. So just assuming population according to new state is not right.

If Pakistan gets partitioned into 2 seperate countries Sind+Baloch and Punjab+NWFP+NA, one can easily say you will not find shared ethnicity.

Sub-Continent is very diverse, language/accent/food/culture/rituals change every 100kms. Its pointless arguing abt shared haritage. Only thing which Punjabi's on both side of border have in common, that edges them above other regions is Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Empire.

 

[sanibhagwan]

@BigTree.CN

If you read Chinese history text book, you can barely find anything negative about India.

If you read Indian history text books, you can barely find anything negative about Pakistan, let alone India.

Let me tell you what's there in Indian history books with respect to china "Panchsheel" or The Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.

It doesn't teach you India is the country that has stolen 90,000 square kilometres territory from China

stolen - thats a hard words. Without getting into a vocal slugfest. Let me tell you that India is a diverse country. It has communist ruling states, where marxism and even maoism is prevalent.

Whoever is in charge of education in china is so wise, they are teaching peace instead of hatred to young minds.

Arresting innocent Chinese tourists, banning Huawei and ZTE from doing business in India

Well, its mutual. There are several Diamond traders arrested on charges of spying.

supporting Tibetan separatists in India,

There are dozens of separatists from North East get support from China (both overt and covert)

Atleast we don't supply them weapons.

cliche by Chinese officials that China cherish the friendship with India. Friendship with India?

I wish these cliches come true and hope for the best

 

[53fd]

@BigTree.CN



If you read Indian history text books, you can barely find anything negative about Pakistan, let alone India.

Let me tell you what's there in Indian history books with respect to china "Panchsheel" or The Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.



stolen - thats a hard words. Without getting into a vocal slugfest. Let me tell you that India is a diverse country. It has communist ruling states, where marxism and even maoism is prevalent.

Whoever is in charge of education in china is so wise, they are teaching peace instead of hatred to young minds.



Well, its mutual. There are several Diamond traders arrested on charges of spying.



There are dozens of separatists from North East get support from China (both overt and covert)

Atleast we don't supply them weapons.



I wish these cliches come true and hope for the best

I think you need to get off the high horse of yours. There have been plenty of training camps for LTTE terrorists in Tamil Nadu as well, that committed terrorism in Sri Lanka; the same case for the Mukti Bahni training camps in India. India has also provided shelter for Tibet separatist Dalai Lama. India forcefully occupied South Tibet and called it Arunachal Pradesh. India also forcefully occupied Hyderabad at its inception, including Junagarh in Gujarat and Kashmir as well.

Pakistan and China have also been responsible for some forceful occupation like India is. But for you to suggest that India is all nice and peaceful, while China aids invaders & separatists is not correct. It is very important that you have a true perspective on the issues that surround us, so we can work on them together. We are all in the same boat.