Bangladeshi man becomes first Muslim in Britain to wed in same-sex marriage.

[Zabaniyah]

So someone who commits adultery no longer remains Muslim? Or someone who skips prayer is not a Muslim? Or a woman who doesn't cover her body according to Islamic principles is not a Muslim?

I wonder how many Muslims are there in the world then. Going by this there probably won't be a single Muslim majority country in the world.


I wonder what Shi'as a d Qadiyanis have to say about it. To them probably sunnis aren't re Muslims.

At times I wonder why 'God' hadn't annihilated this planet long ago considering most of it isn't 'Muslim' to begin with. But I guess is outside the scope of this forum. Actually, discussing religion is against house rules if I'm not mistaken.

One more thing: Too many weirdos in the BD section these days.

 

[Dai Toruko]

This is why humans don't support the Redefinition of the age old institution of marriage. Suddenly there were not enough people to conquer with stable marriages and families to perpetuate the ancient Roman Society. Once the plague of homosexuality consumed Roman Empire and the epidemic of sexual abuse of boys and girls increased, and it became so decadent, immoral, and morally corrupt --- eventually the empire was broken up. The homosexual and their politics of perversion eventually dies.

 

[Luffy 500]

So someone who commits adultery no longer remains Muslim? Or someone who skips prayer is not a Muslim? Or a woman who doesn't cover her body according to Islamic principles is not a Muslim?

I wonder how many Muslims are there in the world then. Going by this there probably won't be a single Muslim majority country in the world.

Is that what u got from my post. You must be really thick in your head. Someone who commits adultery may remain a muslim provided he/she still believes that the act they did is one of the gravest possible sin human can commit. If they start justifying and promoting the sin i.e the act of adultery then definitely yes they will no longer remain muslim since they are blatantly justifying something as halal that Allah (swt) has made haram.

The same goes for other types of sins. Unintentionally skipping prayer is one thing, but skipping prayer year after year thinking its allowed definitely puts someone out of the fold of islam.

Very few people in the muslim world tries to justify any of the sins mentioned above. Even those who do NOT pray say that they are doing a major sin by not praying and not praying is one of the major reasons why Muslims are suffering throughout the globe. Good news is the level os mosque attendance in the Muslim world is increasing as Muslims become more aware of their religion.

I wonder what Shi'as a d Qadiyanis have to say about it. To them probably sunnis aren't re Muslims.

It does NOT matter what shias and qadiyanis think. The only think that matters is what it written in the Quran & sunnah. Its the qadiyanis who are with the claim of being Muslim, so they have to prove their claim from Quran & sunnah and NOT the other way around. Did you NOT get the analogy with the American citizen. If somebody claims he is an american citizen but does NOT have american passport , he will be treated like a foreigner non-american by US authorities until he/she can prove by valid documents that shows he/she is an american. By definition every definition has a set boundary and criteria. An idol worshiper by definition can NOT claim to be a muslim. Someone who claims 2+2 = 5 can NOT claim to be a mathematician. Someone who never opened a book of medicine can not claim to be a certified doctor. People can claim a lot of things but the burden of proof lies with the claimants.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Is that what u got from my post. You must be really thick in your head.

I cussing encouraged in your faith?

 

[Luffy 500]

I cussing encouraged in your faith?

NO need to be polite with people who show such blatant enmity to Islam. I am being as polite as humanely possible. That kid is an islamophobic troll.

 

[Zabaniyah]

NO need to be polite with people who show such blatant enmity to Islam. I am being as polite as humanely possible. That kid is an islamophobic troll.

With your attitude, do not be surprised if people do fear the faith you preach.

 

[EAK]

What if a Gay believes these?
And what exactly is meant by Dishonour them ?




Jk

It is considered a Sin in Quran So if he beleives in Quran then Being gay is a non-islamic act..
And about Dishonor meaning..Like really you want me to translate it for you.. ?

 

[Mage]

One more thing: Too many weirdos in the BD section these days.

Would I be among them?

 

[Zabaniyah]

Would I be among them?

Nah, you are cool

 

[Mage]

It is considered a Sin in Quran So if he beleives in Quran then Being gay is a non-islamic act..
And about Dishonor meaning..Like really you want me to translate it for you.. ?

Is that what u got from my post. You must be really thick in your head. Someone who commits adultery may remain a muslim provided he/she still believes that the act they did is one of the gravest possible sin human can commit. If they start justifying and promoting the sin i.e the act of adultery then definitely yes they will no longer remain muslim since they are blatantly justifying something as halal that Allah (swt) has made haram.

The same goes for other types of sins. Unintentionally skipping prayer is one thing, but skipping prayer year after year thinking its allowed definitely puts someone out of the fold of islam.

Very few people in the muslim world tries to justify any of the sins mentioned above. Even those who do NOT pray say that they are doing a major sin by not praying and not praying is one of the major reasons why Muslims are suffering throughout the globe. Good news is the level os mosque attendance in the Muslim world is increasing as Muslims become more aware of their religion.




It does NOT matter what shias and qadiyanis think. The only think that matters is what it written in the Quran & sunnah. Its the qadiyanis who are with the claim of being Muslim, so they have to prove their claim from Quran & sunnah and NOT the other way around. Did you NOT get the analogy with the American citizen. If somebody claims he is an american citizen but does NOT have american passport , he will be treated like a foreigner non-american by US authorities until he/she can prove by valid documents that shows he/she is an american. By definition every definition has a set boundary and criteria. An idol worshiper by definition can NOT claim to be a muslim. Someone who claims 2+2 = 5 can NOT claim to be a mathematician. Someone who never opened a book of medicine can not claim to be a certified doctor. People can claim a lot of things but the burden of proof lies with the claimants.

Well I don't see people labelling someone born in a Muslim family who doesn't pray five times a day as 'not a Muslim'. So why take your frustration on a poor homo guy? Number of people who claim to be Muslim but don't pray is far more than number od Muslims indulging in homosexual activities.

Is that what u got from my post. You must be really thick in your head. Someone who commits adultery may remain a muslim provided he/she still believes that the act they did is one of the gravest possible sin human can commit. If they start justifying and promoting the sin i.e the act of adultery then definitely yes they will no longer remain muslim since they are blatantly justifying something as halal that Allah (swt) has made haram.

The same goes for other types of sins. Unintentionally skipping prayer is one thing, but skipping prayer year after year thinking its allowed definitely puts someone out of the fold of islam.

Very few people in the muslim world tries to justify any of the sins mentioned above. Even those who do NOT pray say that they are doing a major sin by not praying and not praying is one of the major reasons why Muslims are suffering throughout the globe. Good news is the level os mosque attendance in the Muslim world is increasing as Muslims become more aware of their religion.




It does NOT matter what shias and qadiyanis think. The only think that matters is what it written in the Quran & sunnah. Its the qadiyanis who are with the claim of being Muslim, so they have to prove their claim from Quran & sunnah and NOT the other way around. Did you NOT get the analogy with the American citizen. If somebody claims he is an american citizen but does NOT have american passport , he will be treated like a foreigner non-american by US authorities until he/she can prove by valid documents that shows he/she is an american. By definition every definition has a set boundary and criteria. An idol worshiper by definition can NOT claim to be a muslim. Someone who claims 2+2 = 5 can NOT claim to be a mathematician. Someone who never opened a book of medicine can not claim to be a certified doctor. People can claim a lot of things but the burden of proof lies with the claimants.

It doesn't matter what shias and qadyanis think. Then it doesn't matter what you think either. They are true Muslims according to their rules. And you are not. And how the American citizen analogy works for shias and Qadyanis not you?

And that's why I say don't judge.

NO need to be polite with people who show such blatant enmity to Islam. I am being as polite as humanely possible. That kid is an islamophobic troll.

No I'm not. I'm happy as long as people keep their religion to themselves. Practise it as much as you want but don't force it on others and don't force it on the country or society

It is considered a Sin in Quran So if he beleives in Quran then Being gay is a non-islamic act..
And about Dishonor meaning..Like really you want me to translate it for you.. ?

There are many ways to dishonour someone. Wha kind of dishonour you are talking about?

 

[mb444]

You are free to hold whatever value you want and subscribe to whatever religious interpretations you wish. It is your right.

I just believe it is too easy to condem devient sexuality just because it is too remote for one to conceptualise. It is silly to try to control human sexuality.

I for one rather err in the side of caution by taking a conciliatory position to those whose life i do not understand than to judge them as sinners.

Snowflake liberal position is as valid as your uber rigid position. You stand upon an interpretation based upon an worldview but there exist multiplicity of worldviews. You can ignore them should you wish but absolutism does not foster dialogue and is a waste of time all around.

The notions that there is "No proper definition of Muslim" only exists in your liberal secular western bubble. In the real world there is clear cut unambiguous definition of who is and is NOT a muslim. Your lot (the atheistic satanic liberals) are the only group in the last 1400 years that is saying anything otherwise since the very notion of objective truth and morality is antitheical to your liberal secular ideology.

If you could waste your time on PDF haranguing rants against Islam all day, I am pretty sure you would be able to find the definition of Islam from google. After all you managed to dig the term salafists from google and is ignorantly throwing it around at the drop of a hat. Btw Salafist are sunnis you ignorant buffon. And neither salafist nor other schools of sunnism do takfir on one another. Just because someone claim to be a muslim does NOT make him/her a muslim. He or she must meet the criteria set out in the clear and unambiguous text of the Quran and Sunnah to be labelled a Muslim , and that does NOT include philia type atheist bigots and their "don't judge" snowflake concoctions.



Your belief and convictions should be restricted right at the border of world that is commonly known as the west. Keep it there and don't try to preach it outside of that border because there is a world outside of that border whose socio-cultural-religious paradigm fundamentally differs from that of the west. The difference has to do with the very human perception of reality and notions of right & wrong and human beings place in this universe.

NOT all positions are valid btw. Only positions set out by the Creator of the heavens and the earth is valid. Everything else including liberalsim is invalid.

I am a liberal yes.... but not preachy in anyway. I was merely stating my personal position. you have your views, I get it and respect it without seeking or requiring recipriocity from you.

 

[Luffy 500]

I am a liberal yes.... but not preachy in anyway. I was merely stating my personal position. you have your views, I get it and respect it without seeking or requiring recipriocity from you.

I am aware of your views. I was just taken a back by your supposed advocacy for tolerance for such degenerate life style in the muslim world .... at least that's what your original post seemed to have alluded to. Whatever the case I apologize if my reply to your post gave a rude vibe and went above & beyond what was appropriate & polite. I respect your right to have your views and express them respectfully keeping in mind the civilizational nature & separate identity of the Muslim world. Unlike the islamophobes, you are one of the few mature , gentlemanly and objective members from BD.

 

[Luffy 500]

Well I don't see people labelling someone born in a Muslim family who doesn't pray five times a day as 'not a Muslim'. So why take your frustration on a poor homo guy? Number of people who claim to be Muslim but don't pray is far more than number od Muslims indulging in homosexual activities.

You do NOT know & see a lot of things. Islam is NOT based on what you see and know.

It doesn't matter what shias and qadyanis think. Then it doesn't matter what you think either. They are true Muslims according to their rules. And you are not. And how the American citizen analogy works for shias and Qadyanis not you?

I am not the one with crazy heretical claims. As a muslim my stance are clearly in line with Quran and sunnah just like majority of the muslim world which is 90% sunni btw. Its the qadiyanis who are with crazy claims that they must prove. islam is NOT based on rules of any x,y,z group . Islam = Quran & Sunnah.

And that's why I say don't judge.

What you say does NOT have an atoms weight in Islam. We muslims are allowed to judge based on Quran & sunnah.

No I'm not. I'm happy as long as people keep their religion to themselves. Practise it as much as you want but don't force it on others and don't force it on the country or society

Islam as the ONLY true religion deserved to be advocated and preached. Advocacy is NOT forcing. Nobody is forcing Islam on you. And Muslims do have special entitlement to lands where they form majority and Muslims have a duty to peacefully advocate for the establishment of Islam in walks of life in such lands where they form majority. You have to come to terms with that reality. Its how it always has been since the past 1400 years and always will be.

 

[Al-zakir]

With your attitude, do not be surprised if people do fear the faith you preach.

Are you by any ways or remotely weaken to gay cause because that would make you a gay or gay lover.

 

[Allah Akbar]

Bangladeshis & their obsession of posting every thing & anything related to BD in the " Bangladesh Def Forum" !!!

How is a Gay marriage connected with Defense of BD ?

Sometimes this section is a gay too.The whole thread is nonsense.

Wanna see Nilgiri and Aung Zaya a pic like that!