Bangladeshi man becomes first Muslim in Britain to wed in same-sex marriage.

[Jackdaws]

Indians and gays. who else.

LOL. Based on what? Don't know much about Turkey - but then I don't know much about Sierra Leone either. So can't really comment on the education or lack thereof in such countries.

 

[Dai Toruko]

LOL. Based on what? Don't know much about Turkey - but then I don't know much about Sierra Leone either. So can't really comment on the education or lack thereof in such countries.

Do you watch TV at all?
Every day news comes where women and children are abused and raped in India.
That's not funny...

 

[Shorisrip]

Well, if a liar, cheat, murderer, thief, alcoholic etc can be Muslim, all acts of which are not permitted by the religion's scriptures, then why not a gay man? Maybe not a "good" Muslim, but a Muslim nevertheless. Who are you to judge?

 

[Nilgiri]

 

[mb444]

Is this the kind of news that deserve to be on defence forum?

As for the news, these homos who flaunt their sins and promote their degenerate life style are the worse possible and evil of humans out there. Its one thing to have evil desires and inclinations and quite another to act on, promote and justify those evil inclinations. These homos with Muslim names are no doubt disbelievers and apostates. These are the worse of the worse of people as the story of the people of Lut shows us in the Quran. Allah (swt) punished that nation unlike any other evil people and nations.





Just because western secular world have come to celebrate a degenrate abomination does NOT mean non-western and Muslims have to follow suit. That kind of notion right there is hallmark of a colonized slave mentality. Western society does NOT represent epitome of human progress and civilization if you are in that mistaken false belief.

Unlike christianity Islamic texts are unambigious and clear cut on the issue of sodomy and similar sexual perversions. These perversions are morally reprehensible and condemned while under islamic law in an Islamic land, such acts have clear cut punishments.





Before you passingt you liberal judgement, you should have informed yourself that this "don't pass judgement" mantra is NOT something muslims have to abide by. Its a mantra coined in morally decadant liberal secular west and has absolutely NO place in Islamic tradition and history. This whole notion of "don't judge" is NOT compitable with islam. And yes humans even you hypocritical western society also judge people based on your own socio-cultural prejudice. You yourself with you bigoted anti-islamic view on PDF is a classic example.

And yes these 2 homos promoting their sins in public are the worse of disbelievers. In islam muslims are indeed alllowed to judge others but that judgement is based on an islamic perspective. Also Allah (swt) commands muslims to promote good and forbid evil. There is absolutely 0 room for a snowflake liberal "don't judge" mantra in Islam.



When someone starts justifying and promoting sins, they do indeed become infidels. That fine line between sin and apostasy become very thin then. Eg- if someone drinks alcohol but knows and consider the act to be sinful and do NOT try to justify that sin then he is a muslim sinner. But if that guy suddenly tries to justify that sin saying its not sinful etc then he/she has become a disbeliever.

You are free to hold whatever value you want and subscribe to whatever religious interpretations you wish. It is your right.

I just believe it is too easy to condem devient sexuality just because it is too remote for one to conceptualise. It is silly to try to control human sexuality.

I for one rather err in the side of caution by taking a conciliatory position to those whose life i do not understand than to judge them as sinners.

Snowflake liberal position is as valid as your uber rigid position. You stand upon an interpretation based upon an worldview but there exist multiplicity of worldviews. You can ignore them should you wish but absolutism does not foster dialogue and is a waste of time all around.

 

[Roybot]

Both of them acting like ladies. So who will role play man? Nonetheless waste of internet bandwidth. I find it revenge of mother earth to cripple human population boom which is becoming strain on her resources.

The one not wearing the mehndi obviously

 

[Jackdaws]

Do you watch TV at all?
Every day news comes where women and children are abused and raped in India.
That's not funny...

Yes. Do you know what "science" is? Or a "neutral source"? So when you say with authority that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked, you are required to produce s source. Now, I don't know how things work in Turkey - but this is the accepted practice world wide

 

[Mage]

Fate Zero
Fate Stay Night
Saber in your DP, cool

Aye

TRUE MUSLIM:Who believe in Allah and his Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w as his messenger ,Holy Quran and the Judgment day...

What if a Gay believes these?
And what exactly is meant by Dishonour them ?

Why you are sharing others opinion? You were asked for your own opinion as you might be an expert in that topic. Badgiri



Jk

 

[Homo Sapiens]

As a Bangladeshi (I assume you're not) you should not have posted this as it has brought bodnam on to ourselves. Check how much views this thread has, everyone is quick to jump on us when it is something negative.

What bodnam it has brought to our country? Homosexuality is seen by most of the non muslim as normal.Most of the country will appreciate Bangladesh if we adopt a tolerant attitude towards them.It is actually Islamic extremism whatever we have is tarnishing our image world wide.If you think, Pakistani muslim are getting a wrong image of us, that you should know , homosexuality in Pakistan is much more widespread that Bangladesh.

 

[Luffy 500]

That's why there is so much infighting between Muslims. Shi'as and Sunnis consider each other not to be true Muslims and thus the fighting begins. Then within sunnis, salafist bunch consider other Sunnis as not true Muslims thus creating more conflicts.

I would still like to know what makes one a true Muslim. Easy to label others as not true Muslim. But yet unable to define what is a true Muslim.

The notions that there is "No proper definition of Muslim" only exists in your liberal secular western bubble. In the real world there is clear cut unambiguous definition of who is and is NOT a muslim. Your lot (the atheistic satanic liberals) are the only group in the last 1400 years that is saying anything otherwise since the very notion of objective truth and morality is antitheical to your liberal secular ideology.

If you could waste your time on PDF haranguing rants against Islam all day, I am pretty sure you would be able to find the definition of Islam from google. After all you managed to dig the term salafists from google and is ignorantly throwing it around at the drop of a hat. Btw Salafist are sunnis you ignorant buffon. And neither salafist nor other schools of sunnism do takfir on one another. Just because someone claim to be a muslim does NOT make him/her a muslim. He or she must meet the criteria set out in the clear and unambiguous text of the Quran and Sunnah to be labelled a Muslim , and that does NOT include philia type atheist bigots and their "don't judge" snowflake concoctions.

You are free to hold whatever value you want and subscribe to whatever religious interpretations you wish. It is your right.

I just believe it is too easy to condem devient sexuality just because it is too remote for one to conceptualise. It is silly to try to control human sexuality.

I for one rather err in the side of caution by taking a conciliatory position to those whose life i do not understand than to judge them as sinners.

Snowflake liberal position is as valid as your uber rigid position. You stand upon an interpretation based upon an worldview but there exist multiplicity of worldviews. You can ignore them should you wish but absolutism does not foster dialogue and is a waste of time all around.

Your belief and convictions should be restricted right at the border of world that is commonly known as the west. Keep it there and don't try to preach it outside of that border because there is a world outside of that border whose socio-cultural-religious paradigm fundamentally differs from that of the west. The difference has to do with the very human perception of reality and notions of right & wrong and human beings place in this universe.

NOT all positions are valid btw. Only positions set out by the Creator of the heavens and the earth is valid. Everything else including liberalsim is invalid.

 

[KN-1]

 

[Mage]

The notions that there is "No proper definition of Muslim" only exists in your liberal secular western bubble. In the real world there is clear cut unambiguous definition of who is and is NOT a muslim. Your lot (the atheistic satanic liberals) are the only group in the last 1400 years that is saying anything otherwise since the very notion of objective truth and morality is antitheical to your liberal secular ideology.

If you could waste your time on PDF haranguing rants against Islam all day, I am pretty sure you would be able to find the definition of Islam from google. After all you managed to dig the term salafists from google and is ignorantly throwing it around at the drop of a hat. Btw Salafist are sunnis you ignorant buffon. And neither salafist nor other schools of sunnism do takfir on one another. Just because someone claim to be a muslim does NOT make him/her a muslim. He or she must meet the criteria set out in the clear and unambiguous text of the Quran and Sunnah to be labelled a Muslim , and that does NOT include philia type atheist bigots and their "don't judge" snowflake concoctions.



Your belief and convictions should be restricted right at the border of world that is commonly known as the west. Keep it there and don't try to preach it outside of that border because there is a world outside of that border whose socio-cultural-religious paradigm fundamentally differs from that of the west. The difference has to do with the very human perception of reality and notions of right & wrong and human beings place in this universe.

NOT all positions are valid btw. Only positions set out by the Creator of the heavens and the earth is valid. Everything else including liberalsim is invalid.

Then I'm sure you can provide clear cut unambiguous information.


Since you can't, lemme ask
Are Shi'as true Muslims?
Are Ahmadi's true Muslims?
Are sufis true.Muslims?
And why there are so many school of thoughts within Shi'as and Sunnis? Like Hanafi, Maliki, Hambali, Shafi, among Shi'as twelver and others?

And what is your position on LGBT issue?

 

[Zabaniyah]

Ran out of topics huh?

Well, if a liar, cheat, murderer, thief, alcoholic etc can be Muslim, all acts of which are not permitted by the religion's scriptures, then why not a gay man? Maybe not a "good" Muslim, but a Muslim nevertheless. Who are you to judge?

You know, I'd second that.

 

[Luffy 500]

Then I'm sure you can provide clear cut unambiguous information.


Since you can't, lemme ask
Are Shi'as true Muslims?
Are Ahmadi's true Muslims?
Are sufis true.Muslims?
And why there are so many school of thoughts within Shi'as and Sunnis? Like Hanafi, Maliki, Hambali, Shafi, among Shi'as twelver and others?

And what is your position on LGBT issue?

A muslim is someone who acknowledges, accepts by heart and testifies by tongue that there is only one True God (Allah) Who is unlike His creation and that He is the creator, sustainer, cherisher and controller of everything that exists, that He had sent prophets and messengers and the last of them is Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him). After such a testimony a Muslim can NOT reject any of the fundemental tenets set out in the Quran and sunnah for example - Quran is the word of God, alcohol and pork are prohibited, adultery is prohibited, hajj, zakat, 5 times daily prayer, existence of heaven & hell, Angels and jinns etc etc.

There are spectrums within shiaism that reject fundemental islamic principles i.e some of them malign the companions of the prophet and give their imams attributes of God. So Shias are NOT a black & white group. There is a spectrum and many fall within framework of islam while many don't. The claim of any groups must be judged based on Quran & sunnah whose texts are very clear, preserved unadulterated for 1400 years, and whose compilations are in singular editions unlike other religious texts.

Qadiyanis are NOT muslims since they reject the finality of the prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of God be upon him). Again just because somebody claims something, does NOT make him what he claims. Eg. if somebody claims he is an american citizen but does NOT have american passport , he will be treated like a foreigner non-american by US autorities until he/she can prove by vlaid documents that shows he/she is an american.

Sufis are are NOT a sect. They are a spectrum within sunni school of thought and many fall within the framework of islam. Get yourself informed about these terms before making your flawed conclusions.

As I said you are utterly ignorant about islamic terms & narratives. Hanbali, shafi, maliki, hannafi are NOT sects BUT schools of law of sunni Islam. They also share the same fundemental understanding of islam. The difference has to do with fiqh i.e body of islamic laws deduced from the Shareeah . Shareeah is the body of revealed laws found in the Quran & sunnah and it lays down basic principles and guidelines. Fiqh concerns itself with how those principles & guidelines be applied in a given circumstance. Fiqh can vary from place to place and circumstance BUT islamic principles do NOT. Fiqh does NOT concerns itself with basic fundemental tenets like concept of God, messenger, existence of heaven & hell, angel, jinns, 5 times daily prayer, hajj, zakat, prohibitions laid down in Quran & sunnah etc etc. These basic tenets are aqeeda issues and are set in stone and all 4 schools of sunni islam agree on those issues.
For example the 4 schools agree that alcohol is prohibited in islam but there is a difference of opinion regarding the number of lashes a offender can be subjected to.
https://islamqa.info/en/20037
The 4 schools agree that act of sodomy is punishable offense but since the companions of the prophet themselves differed on the best way to punish sodomites, the various schools and scholars also gave different rulings on how to punish them.
https://islamqa.info/en/38622

As for LGBT, Islam does not even recognizes such terms and identities based people's sexual desires and preferences. The only valid Islamic way of expressing ones sexual desires is via islamically sanctioned marriage between a man and a women. The act of sodomy is the most gravest sin one can do and is punishable by death under islamic law following state sanctioned due process. The people who promote LGBT perversions and tries to normalize it are the worse possible evil of humans out there. That's my view as a muslim.

 

[Mage]

A muslim is someone who acknowledges, accepts by heart and testifies by tongue that there is only one True God (Allah) Who is unlike His creation and that He is the creator, sustainer, cherisher and controller of everything that exists, that He had sent prophets and messengers and the last of them is Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him). After such a testimony a Muslim can NOT reject any of the fundemental tenets set out in the Quran and sunnah for example - Quran is the word of God, alcohol and pork are prohibited, adultery is prohibited, hajj, zakat, 5 times daily prayer, existence of heaven & hell, Angels and jinns etc etc.

So someone who commits adultery no longer remains Muslim? Or someone who skips prayer is not a Muslim? Or a woman who doesn't cover her body according to Islamic principles is not a Muslim?

I wonder how many Muslims are there in the world then. Going by this there probably won't be a single Muslim majority country in the world.

There are spectrums within shiaism that reject fundemental islamic principles i.e some of them malign the companions of the prophet and give their imams attributes of God. So Shias are NOT a black & white group. There is a spectrum and many fall within framework of islam while many don't. The claim of any groups must be judged based on Quran & sunnah whose texts are very clear, preserved unadulterated for 1400 years, and whose compilations are in singular editions unlike other religious texts.

Qadiyanis are NOT muslims since they reject the finality of the prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of God be upon him). Again just because somebody claims something, does NOT make him what he claims. Eg. if somebody claims he is an american citizen but does NOT have american passport , he will be treated like a foreigner non-american by US autorities until he/she can prove by vlaid documents that shows he/she is an american.

I wonder what Shi'as a d Qadiyanis have to say about it. To them probably sunnis aren't re Muslims.