Bangladesh will demand unconditional Apology from Pakistan for 1971 crimes

[somebozo]

hahahaha...first pay the liabilities...because bangladesh owes a treasure to Pakistan in debt..

I think If Pakistan express formal apology for their wrong doing in 71 will not harm Pakistan and getting a formal apology from Pakistan will not any benefit to us either . we are not getting any benefit by sticking our self in 71. we need to look forward for a better prosperous meaningful brotherly relation with our Pakistani brother for the benefit of both country .

I think first you should recognize your role in treason..as well as pay off the debt you owe us..because after division of assests and liabilities..Bangladesh still owes us money!

 

[Nilgiri]

The current BD government has nothing else to offer their people anyway. Their best representation is like a submissive courtesan to India stating "Do you want anything more daddy!".

Whats hilarious is that many in this forum have deluded themselves to the point where they believe by 2030 according to a "force plan" (no white paper or any fleshed out details anywhere) Bangladesh will be some major power in the region and totally independent of Indian control with X squadrons of 5th generation stealth fighters and a massive blue water navy etc etc...

Its pretty hilarious to read when it pops up.

I am ready to donate both my hands and legs to any poor guy in BD if they just let go of this 1971 obsession .

Your limbs are safe then. But best insure them anyway

 

[Apprentice]

hahahaha...first pay the liabilities...because bangladesh owes a treasure to Pakistan in debt..



I think first you should recognize your role in treason..as well as pay off the debt you owe us..because after division of assests and liabilities..Bangladesh still owes us money!

@monitor is a kind good Bengali brother. Please talk respectfully to him.

And many Bengalis were loyal with us.

Please don't spread hate brother. Because hate breeds more hate.

I also want an apology but there is no context present in current time given the bad relation between two country.Parvez Musharraf expressed remorse in 2002 when there was a good relation between Bangladesh and Pakistan.I have seen many Pakistani people have expressed guilt or remorse for 1971 in friendly atmosphere with Bangladeshi people.But if we demand apology while making hostile posture against Pakistan then we will never get it.No country want to loose face to another country and not certainly to a hostile country even if that hostile country is as powerful as US.

I agree with you. No one likes being humiliated.

The economy of Pak shall also be better in few years after CPEC meanwhile a nation has to pay some price by not becoming concubine of India/Non Islamic states. If some one thinks deeper than it is evident that Bengali Muslims also gave many sacrifices for creation of Pak so humiliation in 1971 was not only for remaining part of Pak but also for Banaglis. Who became puppets in the hands of Indian masters. The current Bangali Govt is so brave that in the name of war crimes is ready to murder 80 Year old people. What about Mukti Bahni atrocities who will pay for them.

Hasina need to apology from her own people if she goes in public they will rip her off in pieces. Bangali who i talked have so much anger that will come in lime light in few years india wont be able to handle the unconditional love they giving to Bangalies.
Its her own survival game.. her full security and officers are indians the people disappearing in bangladesh taken away to india..
Good luck hasena with ur grudge against us...

I agree.

 

[Nilgiri]

I think first you should recognize your role in treason..as well as pay off the debt you owe us..because after division of assests and liabilities..Bangladesh still owes us money!

Not to mention have they reciprocated and apologised (after musharraf apology) for the thousands of Biharis and pro-Pak Bengalis that were butchered by the Mukti forces as well?

They still hold up the 3 million genocide claim (and apparently its illegal to dispute that within BD...since this was established on some judicial basis and a sedition case can be brought against you if you do).

They ask everything but dont want to give anything back.

You best ignore them and let India deal with them with heavy hand as years progress. Its karma. Don't bother too much that we have put BAL on the seat and they will make these noises now and then....its like a pressure cooker check valve.

In fact what Musharraf did was very smart, he showed that they will never get off their high horse and account or repent for their atrocities in the whole sordid affair.

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@django

 

[Apprentice]

Hmm. Sice this is a 1971 war crimes thread, I would like to ask where did the AL government get its 200,000 women raped figure from? Was there any survey done or any collection of data? I know that the 3 million died figure originates from Mujib mistranslating 3 lakh but where does the 2 lakh rape figure come from?

 

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Dhaka may demand apology from Islamabad for its ‘71 atrocities
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Bangladesh will raise the long-pending issue of seeking unconditional and formal apology from Pakistan for the barbarities of its forces on innocent Bangladeshi civilians in 1971 during the next round of Foreign Office Consultation (FOC) to be held here on Thursday, reports UNB news agency.



Bangladesh will also raise Pakistan’s repeated ‘brazen attempts’ to meddle in internal affairs centring on trials for crimes against humanity seeking an end to such interference as the trial is a people’s demand, a diplomat told UNB on Tuesday.

Talking to this correspondent, a senior foreign ministry official, however, said the FOC is taking place after a long six-year gap, it will be a ‘friendliness’ one.

As review plea against death for a Jamaat-e-Islami leader Mir Quasem Ali was dismissed on Tuesday, now there is no bar to the start of process for executing Quasem.

Bangladesh does not want to see any reaction from Pakistan on this issue this time as it had reacted in past cases, sources at the ministry said.

Another official told UNB that trade and investment issues with focus on simplifying process, enhancing cultural exchange, visa process, stranded Pakistani issue and other unresolved ones will come up in ‘different shapes’ during the discussion.

Holding trial of the accused 195 military personnel for their brutal role in 1971 and giving compensation to the victim families in Bangladesh may also be discussed in the FOC.

Pakistan foreign secretary Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhary arrives in Dhaka on Wednesday to hold the FOC with his Bangladesh counterpart M Shahidul Haque. Chaudhary will lead a four-member delegation.

Bangladesh high commissioner in Islamabad Tarik Ahsan is already in Dhaka to join the Bangladesh delegation, said an official.

Meanwhile, an inter-ministerial meeting was held at the foreign ministry with foreign secretary Shahidul Haque in the chair on Tuesday.

The planned FOC was cancelled several times for various reasons, including diplomatic row between the two countries, following the trial for the crimes against humanity in Bangladesh.

The last bilateral consultation between the countries was held in Islamabad in 2010. Then foreign secretary Mohamed Mijarul Quayes led the Bangladesh side in the talks.

Asked whether the recent development following Balochistan issue would have any negative impact on the upcoming FOC in Dhaka, the foreign ministry official said there will be no negative impact.

Recently, Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned Bangladesh high commissioner in Islamabad Tarik Ahsan to know about the recent comment made by information minister Hasanul Haq Inu on Balochistan during his visit to India.

Speaking to Indian daily The Hindu on 17 August, Inu said Balochistan was facing the brunt of Pakistan’s military establishment, which ‘targeted’ the Bengalis in East Pakistan in 1971 before the creation of Bangladesh.

“Pakistan has a very bad track record as far as addressing aspiration of nationalities is concerned. They learnt nothing from the defeat of 1971 and continued to practise the same policy of repression and are now targeting the Baloch nationalists,” Inu said.

“Bangladesh is constitutionally bound to support liberation struggles and we’ll soon declare an official policy on Balochistan,” he added.

http://en.prothom-alo.com/bangladesh/news/118807/Dhaka-may-demand-apology-from-Islamabad-for-its

they can kiss india ***

 

[Nilgiri]

Hmm. Sice this is a 1971 war crimes thread, I would like to ask where did the AL government get its 200,000 women raped figure from? Was there any survey done or any collection of data? I know that the 3 million died figure originates from Mujib mistranslating 3 lakh but where does the 2 lakh rape figure come from?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldvi...-bangladesh-cannot-hide-history/#366900807458

http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2010/12/15/1971-rape-and-its-consequences/

(TIFWIW etc..)

 

[Pandora]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldvi...-bangladesh-cannot-hide-history/#366900807458

http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2010/12/15/1971-rape-and-its-consequences/

(TIFWIW etc..)

did you even bother reading articles yourself? These are opinion pages by individuals not facts and figures.

 

[Nilgiri]

did you even bother reading articles yourself? These are opinion pages by individuals not facts and figures.

I said TIFWIW - i.e take it for what its worth.

The Davis doctor chap etc is where the number comes from supposedly or some level of justification etc. Someone asked so I provided the claimed source/basis of the rape number claim.

Don't shoot the messenger....its not like I treat these numbers with much seriousness myself.

 

[Apprentice]

The Hamoodur Rehman Commission Report claimed that a team came from Britain and there were only 100 abortions. Who is right here?

 

[Nilgiri]

The Hamoodur Rehman Commission Report claimed that a team came from Britain and there were only 100 abortions. Who is right here?

Yup too much smoke and mirrors from both sides I fear. I can't make any judgements on all the claims and counter claims out there.

No one truly neutral did an indepth study on the matter. I protest BD govt at formation saying "3 million" case closed....with no testimony proceedings and clear and well organised and monitored judicial hearings like say Nuremberg and Tokyo after WW2.

They had a good opportunity to do so, which makes me err towards it as a big political stunt by Mujib and others. Its also probably why he may have been in a hurry to let those Pak officer POWS go since such testimony from them might have poked holes into the whole 3 million + 200k - 400k war rapes claims.

I basically have to leave Pak figures as the low bound and BD claims as the high bound....and thats that. We will probably never get a good number close to what the truth was regarding all this on both sides of the atrocities.

 

[Apprentice]

I said TIFWIW - i.e take it for what its worth.

The Davis doctor chap etc is where the number comes from supposedly or some level of justification etc. Someone asked so I provided the claimed source/basis of the rape number claim.

Don't shoot the messenger....its not like I treat these numbers with much seriousness myself.

I found this on Bangladesh Genocide Archive

"As per our statistics on the abortion centers and hospitals around the country, less than 10% of the total raped women visited those centers. In most cases the abortions were done locally and efforts were taken to keep those incidents secret due to social situation. The doctors and specialists, like Dr Anwarul Azim, involved in the hospitals and abortion centers agreed to this statistical information. In reality the raped women who became pregnant after September and less than three months pregnant in early 1972, they did not go the abortion centers and hospitals at all. In our account, the number of women of this category was at least 88,200. Moreover, in those three months, raped 162,000 women and 131,000 Hindu refugee women simply disappeared, assimilated into the vast population, without any report at all."

http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/women-in-1971/

I tried searching for this Dr Anwarul Azim as he claims to have had the statistics, but couldn't find him anywhere on the internet except for a few blogs. Moreover it contradicts Dr Davis' even larger estimates.

On the other hand Christian Gerlach said that a statistical collection of data was aborted because it did not support the BD government's claim that 200, 000 women were raped and 3 million killed.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Time to tighten screws on 2 million illegal bangalis............. they are used by RAW for terrorism in Paksitan

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Bangladesh will raise the long-pending issue of seeking unconditional and formal apology from Pakistan for the barbarities of its forces on innocent Bangladeshi civilians in 1971 during the next round of Foreign Office Consultation (FOC) to be held here on Thursday, reports UNB news agency.



Bangladesh will also raise Pakistan’s repeated ‘brazen attempts’ to meddle in internal affairs centring on trials for crimes against humanity seeking an end to such interference as the trial is a people’s demand, a diplomat told UNB on Tuesday.

Talking to this correspondent, a senior foreign ministry official, however, said the FOC is taking place after a long six-year gap, it will be a ‘friendliness’ one.

As review plea against death for a Jamaat-e-Islami leader Mir Quasem Ali was dismissed on Tuesday, now there is no bar to the start of process for executing Quasem.

Bangladesh does not want to see any reaction from Pakistan on this issue this time as it had reacted in past cases, sources at the ministry said.

Another official told UNB that trade and investment issues with focus on simplifying process, enhancing cultural exchange, visa process, stranded Pakistani issue and other unresolved ones will come up in ‘different shapes’ during the discussion.

Holding trial of the accused 195 military personnel for their brutal role in 1971 and giving compensation to the victim families in Bangladesh may also be discussed in the FOC.

Pakistan foreign secretary Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhary arrives in Dhaka on Wednesday to hold the FOC with his Bangladesh counterpart M Shahidul Haque. Chaudhary will lead a four-member delegation.

Bangladesh high commissioner in Islamabad Tarik Ahsan is already in Dhaka to join the Bangladesh delegation, said an official.

Meanwhile, an inter-ministerial meeting was held at the foreign ministry with foreign secretary Shahidul Haque in the chair on Tuesday.

The planned FOC was cancelled several times for various reasons, including diplomatic row between the two countries, following the trial for the crimes against humanity in Bangladesh.

The last bilateral consultation between the countries was held in Islamabad in 2010. Then foreign secretary Mohamed Mijarul Quayes led the Bangladesh side in the talks.

Asked whether the recent development following Balochistan issue would have any negative impact on the upcoming FOC in Dhaka, the foreign ministry official said there will be no negative impact.

Recently, Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned Bangladesh high commissioner in Islamabad Tarik Ahsan to know about the recent comment made by information minister Hasanul Haq Inu on Balochistan during his visit to India.

Speaking to Indian daily The Hindu on 17 August, Inu said Balochistan was facing the brunt of Pakistan’s military establishment, which ‘targeted’ the Bengalis in East Pakistan in 1971 before the creation of Bangladesh.

“Pakistan has a very bad track record as far as addressing aspiration of nationalities is concerned. They learnt nothing from the defeat of 1971 and continued to practise the same policy of repression and are now targeting the Baloch nationalists,” Inu said.

“Bangladesh is constitutionally bound to support liberation struggles and we’ll soon declare an official policy on Balochistan,” he added.

http://en.prothom-alo.com/bangladesh/news/118807/Dhaka-may-demand-apology-from-Islamabad-for-its

 

[airmarshal]

Bangladesh will also raise Pakistan’s repeated ‘brazen attempts’ to meddle in internal affairs centring on trials for crimes against humanity seeking an end to such interference as the trial is a people’s demand, a diplomat told UNB on Tuesday.

This is under agreement between Pakistan and Bangladesh that Bangladesh will not open cases against those whom it considered pro-Pakistan in 1971 war. It was agreed by both countries. So Pakistan raising the issue with Bangladesh is not meddling in its internal issue but reminding your country of the agreement.

 

[Apprentice]

Time to tighten screws on 2 million illegal bangalis............. they are used by RAW for terrorism in Paksitan

Thats not true. They are our Muslim brothers so they are one of us. And if we treat them good, then maybe the BD government and Pak-haters there will have some shame and stop barking against us.