Bangladesh taken project to buy Helicopter carrier

[mb444]

One step at a time. Capabilities can be taken to new heights if you keep modernising steadily which BN is.

For credible detterence and to repel both India and Burma, we need dozens each of frigates, corvettes and submarines as well as aircraft carriers.

BD has really no need for aircraft carriers in my opinion ever. Nowdays they just represent a huge target.

BD needs lots of subs for credible deterrence and enough surface assets for visible deterrence. That is enough.

 

[Destranator]

BD has really no need for aircraft carriers in my opinion ever. Nowdays they just represent a huge target.

BD needs lots of subs for credible deterrence and enough surface assets for visible deterrence. That is enough.

Thanks to our moronic, religion obsessed leaders of 1947, we handed Andaman to the Indians which now necessitates aircraft carriers as we cannot carry out air strikes on A&N directly (to clear naval blockades by destroying supporting IAF and artillery assets there) from Chittagong due to range limitations.

Submarines and surface ships alone will not cut it as these cannot effectively destroy land assets.


We need significant air to surface capabilities covering entire Bay of Bengal to keep the sea route clear.


Aircraft carriers are not something we can afford before 2050 (at the earliest) and would not be needed if we could set up air bases in Burma and Sri Lanka.

 

[Bilal9]

Navy’s doctrine of sticktly focusing on green water capability will come to bite its rear. Given the geographical map and international boundaries, Bangladesh should have limited blue water capability. Doesn’t matter which regime is on the helm

Fully agreed - the fact is that some Naval planners in responsible positions in BN are probably thinking about it. The plan needs to be there of course, even if execution may be far off.

BD has really no need for aircraft carriers in my opinion ever. Nowdays they just represent a huge target.

BD needs lots of subs for credible deterrence and enough surface assets for visible deterrence. That is enough.

Well discounting it 100% is a huge step. All ships are more or less targets, that doesn't mean one can't have naval assets.

LHD's are a lot smaller than aircraft carriers. The Makassar class is a large passenger ship essentially with a deck underneath and a clear heli deck over half the top surface.

To have a proper LHD, you need a submersible deck amidships to launch LCU's, which we already have and amphibious tanks and AFV's which we may own in limited numbers.

The fact that Myanmar has it may not be reason enough, but we need limited power projection capability at some point in the near future. Complete defensive stance over longer term may not be prudent.

 

[Michael Corleone]

One step at a time. Capabilities can be taken to new heights if you keep modernising steadily which BN is.

For credible detterence and to repel both India and Burma, we need dozens each of frigates, corvettes and submarines as well as aircraft carriers. Not going to happen before 2050.

Aircraft carriers is taking you into blue water navy category. Pipe dream at best.
for now hoping to see thesub base go online and new sub acquisition, also want to see the frigate project progress.

 

[Destranator]

Aircraft carriers is taking you into blue water navy category. Pipe dream at best.
for now hoping to see thesub base go online and new sub acquisition, also want to see the frigate project progress.

Need vs want, need vs want.

Need to distinguish between the two. No dreams involved.

We know we will not be able to afford aircraft carriers in the near future.

The bare minimum we need is to be able to engage a blockade by the Indian Eastern Naval Command while keeping tab on Burma so that they do not take advantage of the distraction.

Building a fleet of say 12 high endurance frigates and 12 submarines all equipped to fire land attack cruise missiles, Anti Submarine missiles/rockets, AShMs and host ASW/ASuW helicopters by 2050 will keep us in the game.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Need vs want, need vs want.

Need to distinguish between the two. No dreams involved.

We know we will not be able to afford aircraft carriers in the near future.

The bare minimum we need is to be able to engage a blockade by the Indian Eastern Naval Command while keeping tab on Burma so that they do not take advantage of the distraction.

Building a fleet of say 12 high endurance frigates and 12 submarines all equipped to fire land attack cruise missiles, Anti Submarine missiles/rockets, AShMs and host ASW/ASuW helicopters by 2050 will keep us in the game.

I reckon this is why we invested heavily on BNS sher e bangla and the new submarine base

 

[Bilal9]

The bare minimum we need is to be able to engage a blockade by the Indian Eastern Naval Command while keeping tab on Burma so that they do not take advantage of the distraction.

Building a fleet of say 12 high endurance frigates and 12 submarines all equipped to fire land attack cruise missiles, Anti Submarine missiles/rockets, AShMs and host ASW/ASuW helicopters by 2050 will keep us in the game.

My thoughts exactly. I'll be happy if we can get six of those frigates by say 2025, along with at least three/four more subs.

 

[Destranator]

My thoughts exactly. I'll be happy if we can get six of those frigates by say 2025, along with at least three/four more subs.

5 years is too tight for that as we don't even have a design for the frigates.
6 VLS equipped frigates and 2-4 missile SSKs by 2030 will be good progress. If the economy keeps growing steadily till then, the pace acquisition will keep ramping up.

 

[Bilal9]

5 years is too tight for that as we don't even have a design for the frigates.
6 VLS equipped frigates and 2-4 missile SSKs by 2030 will be good progress. If the economy keeps growing steadily till then, the pace acquisition will keep ramping up.

The way things are going (no progress reported), I believe we may have to build the local yard and simultaneously build one of the designed frigates overseas in parallel.

Did I show you guys the image of the drydock Karnaphuli shipbuilders is building? It's huge and can accommodate a 100,000 DWT tanker. In other words, four 6000 ton frigates very easily.

Wonder if that is going to be the venue. Very little progress at CTG drydocks.

 

[SpaceMan18]

One step at a time. Capabilities can be taken to new heights if you keep modernising steadily which BN is.

For credible detterence and to repel both India and Burma, we need dozens each of frigates, corvettes and submarines as well as aircraft carriers. Not going to happen before 2050.

2032 seems good if crazy events don't happen

Aircraft carriers is taking you into blue water navy category. Pipe dream at best.
for now hoping to see thesub base go online and new sub acquisition, also want to see the frigate project progress.

Except we aren't getting carriers , just LHDs which isn't expensive as a carrier.

We do need to desperately get a next gen frigate partner , and start a tender for new subs quick.

Again when this covid thing goes down then we'll see what BN does , LHD was their idea ever since 2014 and idk if they truly thought about it just for UN missions.

Idk what's taking so long to build the submarine base , or find a dam next gen frigate partner when countries like Korea,Turkey or Italy wants to help us

BD has really no need for aircraft carriers in my opinion ever. Nowdays they just represent a huge target.

BD needs lots of subs for credible deterrence and enough surface assets for visible deterrence. That is enough.

Well they like LHDs , LHDs aren't carriers since they just carry helicopters or at least for us.

We can't treat a Dokdo class LHD like a Nimitz class carrier

 

[SpaceMan18]

The way things are going (no progress reported), I believe we may have to build the local yard and simultaneously build one of the designed frigates overseas in parallel.

Did I show you guys the image of the drydock Karnaphuli shipbuilders is building? It's huge and can accommodate a 100,000 DWT tanker. In other words, four 6000 ton frigates very easily.

Wonder if that is going to be the venue. Very little progress at CTG drydocks.

Idk what's taking so long for BN to get a next gen frigate partner

 

[Michael Corleone]

The way things are going (no progress reported), I believe we may have to build the local yard and simultaneously build one of the designed frigates overseas in parallel.

Did I show you guys the image of the drydock Karnaphuli shipbuilders is building? It's huge and can accommodate a 100,000 DWT tanker. In other words, four 6000 ton frigates very easily.

Wonder if that is going to be the venue. Very little progress at CTG drydocks.

Govt owned?

Idk what's taking so long to build the submarine base , or find a dam next gen frigate partner when countries like Korea,Turkey or Italy wants to help us

Have you seen the site? It’s all silt, the excavated and now water keeps seeping up. They’re working on foundation of the whole base

 

[SpaceMan18]

Govt owned?

Have you seen the site? It’s all silt, the excavated and now water keeps seeping up. They’re working on foundation of the whole base

oh , when will be completed with this delay ?

 

[Michael Corleone]

oh , when will be completed with this delay ?

I’ve heard 2028

 

[Bilal9]

Govt owned?

Private venture, but very large and older company, one of the biggest in Bangladesh. They do a lot of govt. projects. They will be able to do hulls at least, Superstructure and weapons fitting can always be done at CTG Drydock after you launch the hull.

For example GRSE in Kolkata builds IN warship hulls because they're cheaper in labor cost than say Mumbai, they float it down to Mumbai for later critical sensor/weapons fitments.