Bangladesh: A Closer Look at Hunger and Undernutrition

[namefield_empty]

Its interesting a cow export ban from India spurred the beef self sufficiency through entrepreneurship. Beef prices came down substantially lately.

What are the prevailing prices of chicken and beef in BD markets? Also that of rou, bahu, sitol, borali and ari maas? Is there a price list that i can access on the net, i mean the market prices not some online portal's as they tend to over charge and don't reflect the true price.

I am from neighbouring Assam was am curious to know about the prices there compared to my state. I believe the freshwater fishes found in both places are the same. Other than hilsa which is mainly popular amongst the Bengali community here.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

I agree with you to some extent, 47 years of independence is a long time to develop the country but we have not been successful. The behavior of BD people you are talking about is present in all of Indian subcontinent, it's not exclusive to BD, even India did not become developed and wealthy in their 71 years of independence.

I can only hope we will improve ourselves.

There are only a handful country in the world which gone from under developed country to developed one in 47 years. You can count them in your digit. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore. Each of them are special case. Japan is a country developed a culture of hard work and discipline in their long isolation from the rest of the world. As these qualities were vital for them to survive as an overpopulated, isolated islands country in the fringe of the world. They could not expect any outside help, so they learned to depends on only themselves. Development of South Korea and Taiwan into modern, democratic and prosperous country was the ideological battle for United States and survival instinct for those two country in face of powerful enemy larking just behind. So, United states showered Japan, South Korea and Taiwan with huge investment in post ww2. For Singapore, it has the most strategic location in the world to become a shipping and trading hub of the East plus a brilliant leadership.

For China and Vietnam, their initial rigorous Communist discipline, political stability and investment in human capital helped them to be prepare to become world's factory once they open up their economy for foreign investment.

For Bangladesh and India, such circumstances were not available. United States did not shower these countries post ww2 with investment as there was no threat of Communist take over. The bad memories of two centuries of colonial rule, made India suspicious about foreign company's investment and India turned to Socialist policies with nationalization of all industries and discouragement of local or foreign private business. This notorious Licence Raj regime costed India 4 decades of economic growth and development. While for Bangladesh, our Pakistani colonial exploitation, war, political instability costed similar 4 decades of development. Both India and Bangladesh started to march towards real progress only after 1990s from a very low base. At least India has natural resources suitable for industrialization, but for Bangladesh, not even that.

So my question is, how can we compare the developmental trajectory of Bangladesh with those of East Asia which got none of these-

1. It did not showered with foreign investment in 1950s, and 1960s. Worse it was under exploitative West Pakistani colonial rule. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan in those years had both political stability under watchful American eyes and huge investment and ready American and other western market to sale their products.

2.It did not get rigorous Communist discipline, political stability and developed human capital like China and Vietnam in formative years. Rather we got flawed democracy and political instability.

3.It has no mineral resources suitable for industrialization. We have to keep in mind that China produce half of all Iron ore and Coal in the world. Two vital component for industrialization. Vietnam also blessed with a lot of natural resources. Both country are rich in both metallic and non metallic energy resources.

4.Wrong policy stemming from colonial hangover driven towards socialism, nationalization. It is worse than communism. At least in communism, there is iron discipline and no political squabbling. But democratic socialism is worst in third world countries. Unfortunately both India and Bangladesh were victims of this folly. And costed many decades of development and progress when our East Asian tigers were undergoing rapid modernization.

So, if we think uncritically about these two regions, it is very easy to fall for judging them at individual level(like they are hard working, we are not, they are intelligent, we are not, they are honest, we are not etc.) But when you compare the available opportunity they got, it become clear that the destiny were completely shaped in different ways for this two neighboring region.

 

[Bengal71]

There are only a handful country in the world which gone from under developed country to developed one in 47 years. You can count then in your digit. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore. Each of them are special case. Japan is a country developed a culture of hard work and discipline in their long isolation from the rest of the world. As these qualities were vital for them to survive as an overpopulated, isolated country in the fringe of the world. They could not expect any outside help, so they learned to depends on only themselves. Development of South Korea and Taiwan into modern, democratic and prosperous country was the ideological battle for United States and survival instinct for those two country in face of powerful enemy larking just behind. So, United states showered Japan, South Korea and Taiwan with huge investment in post ww2. For Singapore, it has the most strategic location in the world to become a shipping and trading hub of the East plus a brilliant leadership.

For China and Vietnam, their initial rigorous Communist discipline, political stability and investment in human capital helped them to be prepare to become world's factory once they open up their economy for foreign investment.

For Bangladesh and India, such circumstances were not available. United States did not shower these countries post ww2 with investment as there was no threat of Communist take over. The bad memories of two centuries of colonial rule, made India suspicious about foreign company's investment and India turned to Socialist policies with nationalization of all industries and discouragement of local or foreign business. This notorious Licence Raj regime costed India 4 decades of economic growth and development. While for Bangladesh, our Pakistani colonial exploitation, war, political instability costed similar 4 decades of development. Both India and Bangladesh started to march towards real progress only after 1990s from a very low base. At least India has natural resources suitable for industrialization, but for Bangladesh, not even that.

So my question is, how can we compare the developmental trajectory of Bangladesh with those of East Asia which got none of these-

1. It did not showered with foreign investment in 1950s, and 1960s. Worse it was under exploitative West Pakistani colonial rule. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan in those years had both political stability under watchful American eyes and huge investment and ready American and other western market to sale their products.

2.It did not get rigorous Communist discipline, political stability and developed human capital like China and Vietnam in formative years. Rather we got flawed democracy and political instability.

3.It has no mineral resources suitable for industrialization. We have to keep in mind that China produce half of all global Iron ore and Coal. Two vital component for industrialization. Vietnam also blessed with a lot of natural resources. Both country are rich in both metallic and non metallic energy resources.

4.Wrong policy stemming from colonial hangover driven towards socialism, nationalization. It is worse than communism. At least in communism, there is iron discipline and no political squabbling. But democratic socialism is worst in third world countries. Unfortunately both India and Bangladesh were victims of this folly. And costed many decades of development and progress when our East Asian tigers were undergoing rapid modernization.

So, if we think uncritically about these two regions, it is very easy to fall for judging them at individual level(like they are hard working, we are not, they are intelligent, we are not, they are honest, we are not etc.) But when you compare the available opportunity they got, it become clear that the destiny were completely shaped in different ways for this two neighboring region.

I know these and don't disagree. But that alone can't be excuse specially for BD. Post-71, nobody was holding us back from going ballistic in development except our own folly. Despite being a homogeneous country, we got divided between pro-BD and pro-Pakistani for at least the first 2/3 decades, we allowed military dictators to rule the country, we allowed dynasties to rule the country under the garb of democracy, we continued to be the world champion in corruption and with no end in sight. At the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame for our woes and we only can fix them. For a nation aspiring to be prosperous, there is no room for bringing up excuses. Keep in mind in about another 12 years it will be 60 years for our independence, if we don't get developed at least like Malaysia by then, no excuse will work.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

I know these and don't disagree. But that alone can't excuse specially for BD. Post-71 nobody was holding us back from going ballistic in development except our own folly. Despite being a homogeneous country, we got divided between pro-BD and pro-Pakistani for at least the first 2/3 decades, we allowed military dictators to rule the country, we allowed dynasties to rule the country under the garb of democracy, we continued to be the world champion in corruption and with no end in sight. At the end of the day we only have ourselves for our woes and we only can fix them. For a nation aspiring to be prosperous, there is no room for bringing up excuses. Remember in about another 12 years it will be 60 years for our independence, if we don't get developed at least like Malaysia by then, no excuse will work.

These are intertwined problems stemming from overpopulation, poverty, illiteracy. After Independence we did not get any Godfather to guide us. So we rapidly succumbed to the forces of instability which is very common to develop in a country emerged from a destructive war and facing uncontrolled population explosion, food shortage, competing extremist ideologies. It would have been better, if Chinese or Vietnamese style Communist govt. took over us or Americans made us their ally. But we were left completely on our own fate. So it took us 30 years to defeat the forces of instability. By this time, we lowered our population explosion, past behind the ever larking threat of famine, battled with destructive natural disasters, achieved some sort of political stability, raising literacy somewhat, founding some labor intensive industry etc. It take some time to go from chaos to stability. No two country's circumstances are similar. You can similarly say, why Vietnam? Why not Laos or Cambodia? Why Thailand? Why not Myanmar? They are all neighboring countries.With similar culture, values. Still their trajectory is so different.

 

[Bengal71]

These are intertwined problems stemming from overpopulation, poverty, illiteracy. After Independence we did not got any Godfather to guide us. So we rapidly succumbed to the forces of instability which is very common to develop in a country emerged from a destructive war and facing uncontrolled population explosion, food shortage, competing extremist ideologies. It would have been better, if Chinese or Vietnamese style Communist govt. took over or American made us their ally. But we were left completely on our own fate. So it took us 30 years to defeate the forces of instability. By this time, we lowered our population explosion, past behind the ever larking threat of famine, battled with destructive natural disasters, achieved some sort of political stability, raising literacy somewhat, founding some labor intensive industry etc. It take some time to go from chaos to stability. No two country's circumstances are similar. You can similarly say, why Vietnam? Why not Laos or Cambodia? Why Thailand? Why not Myanmar? They are all neighboring countries.With similar culture, values. But different trajectory.

Fine, 60 years I consider as the cut off time when no excuses will be acceptable. By 2031, we should be at least like Malaysia.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

U should be proud of it.

Let me say why. When members of other nations r trying to say negative things about u, this means u have done something that has gone agaionst their interest. Its not necessarily a bad thing.

Let me explain how. When china exploited, tortured and kept ughair Muslims in cage like concentration camp, most BD members actively criticized China for it. This went against the interest of Chinese members. Hence u will see that posters like two and few other Chinese who used to enthusiastically post positive things about BD has started to post negative news about BD( in ur word started trolling).

But does this means we should forget our ethics and keep silence regarding this incident like the way Pakistanis here do as far as persecution of ughair Muslims r concerned ? Of course not.

Same with India. Many posters here r against the persecution of Indian Muslims and actively post negative things about rss thugs and rightly so. That's why few Indian idiots try to troll in BD section.

As for Pakistan we all know why we two don't get along with each other. So no, just because few idiots try to troll in this section doesn't necessarily mean we r at the fault here. We r a proud nation who don't hesitate to call spade a spade.

In fact, not only that the concept of humility is absent in the BD society, but it does not also teach the concepts of sincerity, morality, the integrity of mind, diligence, sense of responsibility, empathy and many other qualities that finally make a nation great.

Thank you, this is exactly my point. What trouble these foreign trolls the most is the confident and independent tone of Bangladeshi posters here. They always put Bangladesh at the bottom, a place for contempt, or better, pity. Bangladeshis talking on equal terms is what trouble them most. They do not understand, Bangladesh may not be a great military or economic power, but as a nation we are not cowards. We would not hesitate calling a spade a spade. And this is what trouble them most. They want Bangladeshi to act like a poodle here for their country.

Some Chinese posters are trolling here because we did not fear or shy away criticizing it's Rohingya policy or it's treatment of Uighur Muslims.

Some Indian posters are trolling here, because they are sanghi, do not like Muslims in general. They think, Bangladesh is just another trouble like Pakistan.

Some Pakistanis are trolling here, because they are badly humiliated by the facts that, Bangladesh now overtaken them in some parameter, which they thought was never possible. Moreover 1971 issue is a big source of animosity. And the fact that Sheikh Hasina govt. do not like Pakistan and vice versa.

Why an Indonesian poster is trolling here is a puzzle to me. She herself frequented this Bangladesh sub section in her own interest in a first place. None of us invited her. Perhaps she taken some offence at some point of interaction here. And gradually cemented that hurt feeling with escalations. But the truth is, all the Bangladeshi people including in this forum has nothing other than feeling of appreciation and brotherhood towards Indonesia. And all other Indonesian posters here are very friendly towards us.

@leonblack08

We all want to know "why"?

Why did no one attack Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Bhutan? when the Bengalis kept complaining and pretending to be a victim. do you remember what you did? when you reply to others with the dirtiest words.Why did Bangladesh forget it never a great economic and military power???????

a country should know its place in the world... if you think Bangladesh should intervene in the internal affairs of other countries. don't wonder why others attacked Bangladesh. if you bring Bangladesh into a game, don't complain and disguise the victim. It's very disgusting.

A friendly reminder: you Bangladesh are not different from Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan.

@Neptune_ @leonblack08 @doorstar @Black_cats

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Fine, 60 years I consider as the cut off time when no excuses will be acceptable. By 2031, we should be at least like Malaysia.

These are not excuse, these are hard facts. We can not deny that, our current standing has it's foundation in the past.

 

[Arthur]

We all want to know "why"?

Why did no one attack Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Bhutan? when the Bengalis kept complaining and pretending to be a victim. do you remember what you did? when you reply to others with the dirtiest words.Why did Bangladesh forget it never a great economic and military power???????

a country should know its place in the world... if you think Bangladesh should intervene in the internal affairs of other countries. don't wonder why others attacked Bangladesh. if you bring Bangladesh into a game, don't complain and disguise the victim. It's very disgusting.

A friendly reminder: you Bangladesh are not different from Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan.

@Neptune_ @leonblack08 @doorstar @Black_cats

Ahh.. yes. That's true.

I have nothing personal against you or your country, but your personal rage seems to be quiet out of hand the last few days. Just calm down my friend. Your rage won't win you the fight against anyone .. but calm and collective will.

what they say in China..Bide your time..right?

 

[SBUS-CXK]

There are only a handful country in the world which gone from under developed country to developed one in 47 years. You can count them in your digit. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore. Each of them are special case. Japan is a country developed a culture of hard work and discipline in their long isolation from the rest of the world. As these qualities were vital for them to survive as an overpopulated, isolated country in the fringe of the world. They could not expect any outside help, so they learned to depends on only themselves. Development of South Korea and Taiwan into modern, democratic and prosperous country was the ideological battle for United States and survival instinct for those two country in face of powerful enemy larking just behind. So, United states showered Japan, South Korea and Taiwan with huge investment in post ww2. For Singapore, it has the most strategic location in the world to become a shipping and trading hub of the East plus a brilliant leadership.

For China and Vietnam, their initial rigorous Communist discipline, political stability and investment in human capital helped them to be prepare to become world's factory once they open up their economy for foreign investment.

For Bangladesh and India, such circumstances were not available. United States did not shower these countries post ww2 with investment as there was no threat of Communist take over. The bad memories of two centuries of colonial rule, made India suspicious about foreign company's investment and India turned to Socialist policies with nationalization of all industries and discouragement of local or foreign private business. This notorious Licence Raj regime costed India 4 decades of economic growth and development. While for Bangladesh, our Pakistani colonial exploitation, war, political instability costed similar 4 decades of development. Both India and Bangladesh started to march towards real progress only after 1990s from a very low base. At least India has natural resources suitable for industrialization, but for Bangladesh, not even that.

So my question is, how can we compare the developmental trajectory of Bangladesh with those of East Asia which got none of these-

1. It did not showered with foreign investment in 1950s, and 1960s. Worse it was under exploitative West Pakistani colonial rule. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan in those years had both political stability under watchful American eyes and huge investment and ready American and other western market to sale their products.

2.It did not get rigorous Communist discipline, political stability and developed human capital like China and Vietnam in formative years. Rather we got flawed democracy and political instability.

3.It has no mineral resources suitable for industrialization. We have to keep in mind that China produce half of all Iron ore and Coal in the world. Two vital component for industrialization. Vietnam also blessed with a lot of natural resources. Both country are rich in both metallic and non metallic energy resources.

4.Wrong policy stemming from colonial hangover driven towards socialism, nationalization. It is worse than communism. At least in communism, there is iron discipline and no political squabbling. But democratic socialism is worst in third world countries. Unfortunately both India and Bangladesh were victims of this folly. And costed many decades of development and progress when our East Asian tigers were undergoing rapid modernization.

So, if we think uncritically about these two regions, it is very easy to fall for judging them at individual level(like they are hard working, we are not, they are intelligent, we are not, they are honest, we are not etc.) But when you compare the available opportunity they got, it become clear that the destiny were completely shaped in different ways for this two neighboring region.

I know these and don't disagree. But that alone can't be excuse specially for BD. Post-71, nobody was holding us back from going ballistic in development except our own folly. Despite being a homogeneous country, we got divided between pro-BD and pro-Pakistani for at least the first 2/3 decades, we allowed military dictators to rule the country, we allowed dynasties to rule the country under the garb of democracy, we continued to be the world champion in corruption and with no end in sight. At the end of the day we only have ourselves to blame for our woes and we only can fix them. For a nation aspiring to be prosperous, there is no room for bringing up excuses. Keep in mind in about another 12 years it will be 60 years for our independence, if we don't get developed at least like Malaysia by then, no excuse will work.

Ahh.. yes. That's true.

I have nothing personal against you or your country, but your personal rage seems to be quiet out of hand the last few days. Just calm down my friend. Your rage won't win you the fight against them.. but calm and collective will.

But now the problem is. you Bangladesh are very arrogant. you guys have brought Bangladesh into a game. a
country is at the same level as Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan. But its arrogance is at the same level as that of the US.

Humility is hard to understand?？？

and....

I have any racial attacks against Bangladeshis?
My reply was dirty?
I pretend to be a victim?

 

[Arthur]

But now the problem is. you Bangladesh are very arrogant. you guys have brought Bangladesh into a game. a
country is at the same level as Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan. But its arrogance is at the same level as that of the US.

Humility is hard to understand?？？

and....

I have any racial attacks against Bangladeshis?
My reply was dirty?
I pretend to be a victim?

The point is my friend no one has the necessity to show humility or anything such in a Internet forum. Internet is the jungle where you should NOT expect rationale.So you didn't use slangs or slurr but what you are doing now isn't different from what you are accusing others for.

We all are individuals who don't have anything to do with each other at the end of the day. So it's completely inappropriate to paint everyone with the same brush.

So my friend CALM Down. Regards.

 

[Black_cats]

But now the problem is. you Bangladesh are very arrogant. you guys have brought Bangladesh into a game. a
country is at the same level as Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan. But its arrogance is at the same level as that of the US.

Humility is hard to understand?？？

and....

I have any racial attacks against Bangladeshis?
My reply was dirty?
I pretend to be a victim?

Bangladesh is at the level of Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan? Are you having fantasy or your eyes are closed? Try to open it? Bangladesh which is the highest growing economy in the world and where is Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan? Myanmar’s GDP is just 22% of Bangladesh. Cambodia, Nepal, Bhutan is not even worth of discussion.

Bangladesh has 15% higher GDP than Pakistan with 25% less population the most trusted ally of yours. Keep such comparison reserve for Pakistan or some other country.

And please stfu!

 

[SBUS-CXK]

In fact, not only that the concept of humility is absent in the BD society, but it does not also teach the concepts of sincerity, morality, the integrity of mind, diligence, sense of responsibility, empathy and many other qualities that finally make a nation great.

This is inferiority complex. This is very serious in BD. and most Bangladeshis don't know the world.

Bangladesh is at the level of Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan? Are you having fantasy or your eyes are closed? Try to open it? Bangladesh which is the highest growing economy in the world and where is Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan? Myanmar’s GDP is just 22% of Bangladesh. Cambodia, Nepal, Bhutan is not even worth of discussion.

Bangladesh has 15% higher GDP than Pakistan with 25% less population the most trusted ally of yours. Keep such comparison reserve for Pakistan or some other country.

And please stfu!

What's to be proud of???

 

[Black_cats]

This is inferiority complex. This is very serious in BD. and most Bangladeshis don't know the world.


What's to be proud of???

No need to tell you. Just reminding you of your fantasy. Bangladesh will be a trillion dollar economy in a decades. Around 3.5 trillion usd economy or bigger depending on how much higher growth we can achieve by 2050 and will be one of the top 20 economy.

We are not doing currency manipulation, stealing IP rights and tech of other countries, occupying other country’s land or sea by force, running country like mafia, a country with no value or ethics like some other regional countries to achieve the target.

@SBUS-CXK where do you see your biggest ally Pakistan? You did not say anything?

 

[Neptune_]

But now the problem is. you Bangladesh are very arrogant. you guys have brought Bangladesh into a game. a
country is at the same level as Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal and Bhutan. But its arrogance is at the same level as that of the US.

Humility is hard to understand?？？

and....

I have any racial attacks against Bangladeshis?
My reply was dirty?
I pretend to be a victim?

Ur posts have started to make little to no sense my friend. In one post u r accusing Bangladeshis as arrogants and in the very next post u r accusing them of having inferiority complex.

Pls, try to understand that timid, pessimistic and submissive attitude comes out if one has inferiority complex while arrogance comes out of someone's behavior if he has superiority complex. Ur post would've made sense if u accused B'deshis of having superiority complex( It still would have been an exaggeration but at least it would've made a bit of sense).

Thing is we have always succeeded even when odds were against us. For example in 52,69,71. That's why we r extremely confident as a nation which u misinterpreted as having arrogance.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

No need to tell you. Just reminding you of your fantasy. Bangladesh will be a trillion dollar economy in a decades. Around 3.5 trillion usd economy or bigger depending on how much higher growth we can achieve by 2050 and will be one of the top 20 economy.

We are not doing currency manipulation, stealing IP rights and tech of other countries, occupying other country’s land or sea by force, running country like mafia, a country with no value or ethics like some other regional countries to achieve the target.

@SBUS-CXK where do you see your biggest ally Pakistan? You did not say anything?

a decades...... a small and weak country. Like Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Bhutan, Nepal. now he talks about a decades. all his confidence came decades later. that's why he constantly offends others... ok, my fantasy.