Baluchistan Conflict

[Dawood Ibrahim]

Firstly, I would like to state that there is a taste of truth and a lot of nothing in what is being circulated in the media about Baluchistan. Baluchistan is the largest province of Pakistan. It is also one of the most sparsely populated areas. For comparison, Karachi has 1.5 times the population of Baluchistan, Lahore is roughly the same. Therefore the province often (mostly) gets neglected by the federal government. There are some developmental projects like Gwadar port and Qta-Khi and Qta-Mul motorway project but not many direct funding for the uplift of people as compared to other areas. Therefore there is some truth to the fact that people of Baluchistan feel neglected at the moment but the federal government is trying to win their hearts back again.

Their anger is not that much to support a separatist movement, that is mainly because of their way of life. Most of the population lives in tribes with their own heads. These tribes have their own rulings in their areas of control and they did opt to join with Pakistan in 1947.

Now then, the media fueled propaganda about a free Baluchistan all starts with Nawab Akbar Bugti. He was a tribe leader and probably one of the stronger ones. People in the province still talk about why he was attacked but from what I've heard from military sources is that he simply ran out of money to operate his massive army. To get some help he sued government for using his land for electricity, telephone and gas lines. These lines ( all major) were there to facilitate all of the province including the tribes. They were placed in consent with older leaders for free. Akbar Bugti gave the government a very large bill for line rent of several years amounting in billions of rupees, he also demanded greater control of province and permission for a private army. Of course it was rejected. From here on, civilian stories converge, Akbar blasted several gas and telephone lines resulting in major losses especially to PTCL a telecom company, his armies also launched small strikes on Pakistan Army, they were mostly hit and run. The govt responded with a military action to disarm him. He took hold in a cave in some hills and it was a standoff. In a skirmish, Akbar was injured and later died resulting in disbanding of his forces who were without any leader and laid arms. Just to show how independent these tribes are, media showed their own jails and justice system.

Now here is where disparity lies. Some of the other tribes were happy to get rid of a rival, while others were sad at a loss of an ally.

An average Balochi couldn't care less about his death because it does not affect him. However his political allies launched a media smearing campaign against Pakistan threatening of repeating 1971 (independence of Bangladesh). Where I lived people were actually happy to get rid of him because he was also harassing non allied tribes.

Now it wouldn't make a great story from a journalist's point of view about people who think this was good for Baluchistan. Pakistan state media continued this for a few days after his death but then stopped. International media picked up pace quiet after that when his allies gained some momentum in their free Baluchistan movement-due to increased media coverage. It became a self sustaining cycle where the tribal allies were gaining momentum due to media coverage and media was trying to cover every story about free Baluchistan, as a result we ended up listening to everyone wanting to free Baluchistan and nothing about the people who think they are better off without him.

Only recently, after several years of seeing no support by majority of tribes, did these people who wanted free province actually publicly said that they are ready to recede their demands and talk to the government. From a political point of view, the Baluchistan conflict is now dead with peace talks ongoing. And here again, much of international media ignored this because this was about an exciting news item dying. But for people of Pakistan and more importantly people of Baluchistan it was a success, a step towards peace and progress.

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[Faiez]

An average Balochi couldn't care less about his death because it does not affect him.

I'm sorry, but that is simply not true...Average balochi WAS angered by his death !

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I'm sorry, but that is simply not true...Average balochi WAS angered by his death !

Not really. It depended on where you went within the province. Many tribes celebrated.

 

[Faiez]

Not really. It depended on where you went within the province. Many tribes celebrated.

And many/most were saddened/angered.

 

[Sine Nomine]

And many/most were saddened/angered.

Not at all even peoples of his tribe were happy.

 

[Kompromat]

Bugti was killed by Balach Marri.

 

[Well.wisher]

Bugti is complicated , he did his first murder at age of 12 so yes he deserved that . A killer shouldn't be spared .

I live in balochistan, the baloch people in living quetta are not that much violent and separatists . Mostly consists patriotic people but baloch people who live in areas like kharan , punjgur, dera bugti are separatists, they regard quaid e azam as ean enemy and often call him as ' qaaadoo ' as insult . . It could be due to tribal influence or lack of facilities or due to operations of fc in balochistan. Yes fc should be fair and equal , but it was very strict at first when the operation started in balochistan. Balochistan's people didn't like it because it was seeing every Baloch a separatist thus it arises many arrests and humiliations .

Here in quetta the army people are given very comfortable and luxurious life . Every facility is for them , the best free hospitals , schools , shopping malls , law . While the poor baloch living in poor areas are deprived of even good education . This is also cause of their sorrow for punjab , they say , " you've given a lot of comfort to the foreigners while we , the natives of this city are deprived " .

Baloch peole are neglected in many fields , tbh there's need for development in the province.
The domination of afghan refugees in the city is also a problem for locals as mahmood khan achakzai has opened all opportunities for them ignoring balochis . This fucktard made them the owners of city .

Abdul maalik was a kinda decision by pmln, A baloch man from turbat he did a lot for education.
But one thing I didn't like about him was transfer of my father from makran to quetta , my father was a good commissioner . But he transfered Jim, many people of makran were upset at this transfer .

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bugti is complicated , he did his first murder at age of 12 so yes he deserved that . A killer shouldn't be spared .

I live in balochistan, the baloch people in living quetta are not that much violent and separatists . Mostly consists patriotic people but baloch people who live in areas like kharan , punjgur, dera bugti are separatists, they regard quaid e azam as ean enemy and often call him as ' qaaadoo ' as insult . . It could be due to tribal influence or lack of facilities or due to operations of fc in balochistan. Yes fc should be fair and equal , but it was very strict at first when the operation started in balochistan. Balochistan's people didn't like it because it was seeing every Baloch a separatist thus it arises many arrests and humiliations .

Here in quetta the army people are given very comfortable and luxurious life . Every facility is for them , the best free hospitals , schools , shopping malls , law . While the poor baloch living in poor areas are deprived of even good education . This is also cause of their sorrow for punjab , they say , " you've given a lot of comfort to the foreigners while we , the natives of this city are deprived " .

Baloch peole are neglected in many fields , tbh there's need for development in the province.
The domination of afghan refugees in the city is also a problem for locals as mahmood khan achakzai has opened all opportunities for them ignoring balochis . This fucktard made them the owners of city .

Abdul maalik was a kinda decision by pmln, A baloch man from turbat he did a lot for education.
But one thing I didn't like about him was transfer of my father from makran to quetta , my father was a good commissioner . But he transfered Jim, many people of makran were upset at this transfer .

Not true. Was in Balochistan a few months ago, and the army is NOW sharing their amenities and facilities with the local population. Especially the very deprived. The VAST majority of Baloch are patriotic Pakistanis. Most of them are more worried about being bullied by their tribal heads than anything else. A lot of the Baloch ACTUALLY get FREE education and good medical care but some tribal elders prevent them using them. Not so much because they are anti-Pakistan but because they are VERY worried about loosing their power and influence over their people especially in light of the successful initiation of CPEC.

 

[PakGuns]

Bugti is complicated , he did his first murder at age of 12 so yes he deserved that . A killer shouldn't be spared .

I live in balochistan, the baloch people in living quetta are not that much violent and separatists . Mostly consists patriotic people but baloch people who live in areas like kharan , punjgur, dera bugti are separatists, they regard quaid e azam as ean enemy and often call him as ' qaaadoo ' as insult . . It could be due to tribal influence or lack of facilities or due to operations of fc in balochistan. Yes fc should be fair and equal , but it was very strict at first when the operation started in balochistan. Balochistan's people didn't like it because it was seeing every Baloch a separatist thus it arises many arrests and humiliations .

Here in quetta the army people are given very comfortable and luxurious life . Every facility is for them , the best free hospitals , schools , shopping malls , law . While the poor baloch living in poor areas are deprived of even good education . This is also cause of their sorrow for punjab , they say , " you've given a lot of comfort to the foreigners while we , the natives of this city are deprived " .

Baloch peole are neglected in many fields , tbh there's need for development in the province.
The domination of afghan refugees in the city is also a problem for locals as mahmood khan achakzai has opened all opportunities for them ignoring balochis . This fucktard made them the owners of city .

Abdul maalik was a kinda decision by pmln, A baloch man from turbat he did a lot for education.
But one thing I didn't like about him was transfer of my father from makran to quetta , my father was a good commissioner . But he transfered Jim, many people of makran were upset at this transfer .

Bro... Facilities for military is same in Lahore as well come sometimes I will show you Garrison and Cantt and Askari areas

 

[MadDog]

A baloch friend told me Murrees sought vengeance for bugti's role in crushing their movement of 70's, Ballach Murree was involved in bugti's murder, in afghanistan ballach was killed by men of Brahamdagh Bugti !!!

 

[Well.wisher]

Not true. Was in Balochistan a few months ago, and the army is NOW sharing their amenities and facilities with the local population. Especially the very deprived. The VAST majority of Baloch are patriotic Pakistanis. Most of them are more worried about being bullied by their tribal heads than anything else. A lot of the Baloch ACTUALLY get FREE education and good medical care but some tribal elders prevent them using them. Not so much because they are anti-Pakistan but because they are VERY worried about loosing their power and influence over their people especially in light of the successful initiation of CPEC.

You've been to balochistan , you can see the level of security , education , development of cantonment area verses the city areas in quetta . The level in cantonment is the best and satisfactory . They dont allow you to enter cantonment area without a documented entry and a complete security check up thus we demand the same level of security to be provided to the local population also .
Army is helping but it's influence isn't that much in quetta as they don't mingle with the local people and avoid going to other city areas .
I'm not against the security provided to them , army are our guests and like brothers but what saddening us is the the government's ignorance towards the local population and the unimportance of their demands .
Life in cantonment is stable , we want the same for the city areas . Balochistan isn't that simple as islamabad pundits think . CPEC has invited more attention from national and international peace haters .
I believe army has a little influence in only city of quetta , other cities of balochistan hardly have any military persons .
Spent sometime in kharan , The security is very pathetic in this so called city . My father's friend was an educationist and was killed because he opened an education institution for the youngsters.
Government and tribal chiefs are both equally responsible for this backwardness .

Bro... Facilities for military is same in Lahore as well come sometimes I will show you Garrison and Cantt and Askari areas

I'm not against it , but same should be provided for the locals .
I love army , we love army , we love punjab , . We know a common punjabi cares a lot for balochistan . It's the rich and political people that has put some grievances in people of balochistan.

 

[PakGuns]

You've been to balochistan , you can see the level of security , education , development of cantonment area verses the city areas in quetta . The level in cantonment is the best and satisfactory . They dont allow you to enter cantonment area without a documented entry and a complete security check up thus we demand the same level of security to be provided to the local population also .
Army is helping but it's influence isn't that much in quetta as they don't mingle with the local people and avoid going to other city areas .
I'm not against the security provided to them , army are our guests and like brothers but what saddening us is the the government's ignorance towards the local population and the unimportance of their demands .
Life in cantonment is stable , we want the same for the city areas . Balochistan isn't that simple as islamabad pundits think . CPEC has invited more attention from national and international peace haters .
I believe army has a little influence in only city of quetta , other cities of balochistan hardly have any military persons .
Spent sometime in kharan , The security is very pathetic in this so called city . My father's friend was an educationist and was killed because he opened an education institution for the youngsters.
Government and tribal chiefs are both equally responsible for this backwardness .



I'm not against it , but same should be provided for the locals .
I love army , we love army , we love punjab , . We know a common punjabi cares a lot for balochistan . It's the rich and political people that has put some grievances in people of balochistan.

True bro... I have agreed on the point that only army and politicians gets what should be owned by every Pakistani... Same is case here you can't enter army residential areas or surrounding roads without checking and valid ID here in Lahore.. And those areas look like some foreign rich country as well damn we poor public

 

[Well.wisher]

True bro... I have agreed on the point that only army and politicians gets what should be owned by every Pakistani... Same is case here you can't enter army residential areas or surrounding roads without checking and valid ID here in Lahore.. And those areas look like some foreign rich country as well damn we poor public

I live in quetta cantt area and it feels like am living in Switzerland and when I'm out of cantt , I feel like I'm in Afghanistan . .
Afghanistan and Switzerland both are very close neighbours in quetta .

 

[PakGuns]

I live in quetta cantt area and it feels like am living in Switzerland and when I'm out of cantt , I feel like I'm in Afghanistan . .
Afghanistan and Switzerland both are very close neighbours in quetta .

hahah exactly ..

 

[Kabira]

You've been to balochistan , you can see the level of security , education , development of cantonment area verses the city areas in quetta . The level in cantonment is the best and satisfactory . They dont allow you to enter cantonment area without a documented entry and a complete security check up thus we demand the same level of security to be provided to the local population also .
Army is helping but it's influence isn't that much in quetta as they don't mingle with the local people and avoid going to other city areas .
I'm not against the security provided to them , army are our guests and like brothers but what saddening us is the the government's ignorance towards the local population and the unimportance of their demands .
Life in cantonment is stable , we want the same for the city areas . Balochistan isn't that simple as islamabad pundits think . CPEC has invited more attention from national and international peace haters .
I believe army has a little influence in only city of quetta , other cities of balochistan hardly have any military persons .
Spent sometime in kharan , The security is very pathetic in this so called city . My father's friend was an educationist and was killed because he opened an education institution for the youngsters.
Government and tribal chiefs are both equally responsible for this backwardness .



I'm not against it , but same should be provided for the locals .
I love army , we love army , we love punjab , . We know a common punjabi cares a lot for balochistan . It's the rich and political people that has put some grievances in people of balochistan.

Army Cantt are like that everywhere because same is the case with in Kharian cantt. That what make civilians pay many times more to buy home in cantt. You can't make whole city in to cantt, that's not how it works. Maybe if Pakistan was first world country....

And I guess prices of homes in Quetta cantt will be many times higher then other parts of city because of security.