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Balochistan may seek independence without autonomy: Jan Muhammad Jamali

:pakistan::pakistan:what the hell is this topic.why people of india wan't balochistan as a state.all these indian agent in balochistan finish soon.we first pakistani then balochi.and we proud to be a pakistani not balochi.:pakistan::pakistan:
 
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:pakistan::pakistan:what the hell is this topic.why people of india wan't balochistan as a state.all these indian agent in balochistan finish soon.we first pakistani then balochi.and we proud to be a pakistani not balochi.:pakistan::pakistan:

The thread was started due to a Pakistani official's comment.

I and most, if not all, Indians on this forum do not want a "Balochistan" state.
 
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I and most, if not all, Indians on this forum do not want a "Balochistan" state.

what abut yor ROW agents in balochistan. i am a balochi and i know very well abut my state and people.no body here even think this fool idea.but prob is afghanistan KHAD and ROW.for your info your ROW invest here more and more every month for tarerrsts.why in saudia india have only 3 conslites and afghanistan 5?
 
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what abut yor ROW agents in balochistan. i am a balochi and i know very well abut my state and people.no body here even think this fool idea.but prob is afghanistan KHAD and ROW.for your info your ROW invest here more and more every month for tarerrsts.why in saudia india have only 3 conslites and afghanistan 5?

I have not seen a single credible news report/research report which holds RAW responsible for the Balochistan insurgency.
 
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Stealth, BLA was co-founded by RAW and the presence of six Indian socalled consulates near Balochistan border is reason enough to believe that RAW is undertaking low yield operations in the region.
 
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:pakistan::pakistan:what the hell is this topic.why people of india wan't balochistan as a state.all these indian agent in balochistan finish soon.we first pakistani then balochi.and we proud to be a pakistani not balochi.:pakistan::pakistan:

Don't worry, Balochistan is going nowhere. We'll deal with the separatists, we always have.
 
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Stealth, BLA was co-founded by RAW and the presence of six Indian socalled consulates near Balochistan border is reason enough to believe that RAW is undertaking low yield operations in the region.

Can you provide some credible source to verify this allegation?

Also, can you provide the exact locations of these consulates?

Thanks
 
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what abut yor ROW agents in balochistan. i am a balochi and i know very well abut my state and people.no body here even think this fool idea.but prob is afghanistan KHAD and ROW.for your info your ROW invest here more and more every month for tarerrsts.why in saudia india have only 3 conslites and afghanistan 5?

What is this ROW it is RAW. Don't speak without any facts.
 
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Apparently India has several consulates in Afghanistan:

India to set up 3 more consulates in Afghanistan

NEW DELHI, Aug. 26 Kyodo

Indian External Affairs Minister Yashwant Sinha on Monday said India plans to open three more consulates in Afghanistan in order to strengthen ties between the two countries.

India, which currently has a consulate in Mazar-e-Sherif, in northern Afghanistan, plans to set up consulates in Herat, western Afghanistan, in Jalalabad, eastern Afghanistan, and in Kandahar, southern Afghanistan, Sinha told reporters, according to the Indian news agency PTI.

The fall of the fundamentalist Taliban government in Afghanistan, which was closely allied to Pakistan, has prompted the Indian government to strengthen its ties with the post-Taliban Afghan government of President Hamid Karzai.

COPYRIGHT 2002 Kyodo News International, Inc.
COPYRIGHT 2002 Gale Group

These consulates aren't exactly "at the border" as Neo claims, but one in each province.
Considering the range of India's involvement in that country, including training of police, army, road building, security etc. etc. it makes sense to open multiple offices.
 
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Can you provide some credible source to verify this allegation?

I cannot find the BBC article I posted a while ago but here's one from DAWN:

'RAW camps in Balochistan'

KARACHI, Aug 30: Balochistan Chief Minister Jam Mohammad Yusuf on Monday said that involvement of external elements, including the Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), in the current acts of terrorism in Balochistan could not be ruled out.

Speaking at the Meet the Press programme of Karachi Press Club, he defended the construction of Gwadar port and military cantonments, and blamed 'anti-Pakistan forces' for fomenting trouble in the strategically located Balochistan.

"Though dialogue for normalization is continuing, as long as Kashmir is not settled they will continue to create difficulties for Pakistan," said Jam Yusuf in an apparent reference to the Indian RAW.

In support of his contention with regard to foreign involvement, Jam Yusuf referred to various training camps in which, according to him, terrorists were being harboured and paid huge sums to create trouble.

He said that none of the Baloch wadera had the capacity to finance such an operation. He said that some of those involved in terrorist activities had fled to the Gulf. "Conspiracies are hatched against Balochistan by anti-Pakistan forces who do not want Gwadar port to become economic hub in the region," he said.

The Balochistan chief minister said that RAW was running terrorist camps in Iran and Afghanistan. "It has now set up 30 to 40 such camps in Balochistan, each with training facility for 30 people who are paid Rs10,000 monthly.

"The monthly expenses of each such camp are over Rs0.4 million. The money is being supplied from abroad," he alleged. He promised that names of the held terrorists would be disclosed once the ongoing investigations concluded.

He told a questioner that "Al Qaeda is not involved in these activities." He also accused terrorists, trained in Punjab, of causing sectarian violence in his province. He denied that any operation had been launched by the army in Balochistan but conceded that an 'operation cleanup' had been launched by the local administration with the assistance of Frontier Constabulary, Levies and the Navy.

"Several terrorists have been arrested in this operation and arms, ammunition, satellite phones, wireless sets, maps and anti-Pakistan literature recovered from their camps. Some terrorists have also given up voluntarily," he said.

Jam Yousuf said that nobody should object to establishment of army cantonments in Balochistan. Wherever felt necessary, cantonments would be established in the province, he said.

He pointed out that cantonments had existed at many places in the province before but no hue and cry was made. Replying to a question, he said China was a time-tested friend of Pakistan and didn't raise any unnecessary hue and cry over the killing of its engineers working on the Gwadar port project in last May.

"If US engineers were killed in Gwadar, it would have declared Pakistan a terrorist country," he added. He said that Gwadar port would become the hub of economic activity in the future and help the province in increasing revenue. He hoped that it would one day demand share in the NFC on revenue generation basis, as was being done by Sindh.

He advised the opponents of the mega project to "swallow the bitter pill" because some sacrifice had to be made for future development. He stressed that nobody would deprive the Balochis of their land but at the same time pointed out that people themselves had sold their land to investors.

Replying to a question, Jam Mohammad Yusuf maintained that he considered all Baloch politicians, including Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti as 'loyal Pakistanis' and urged them to play their role in the development of their province.

"Every Baloch is a nationalist and they love their land as much as any politician. Balochistan is not a personal property of anybody. The past governments did nothing for its development except making hollow promises.

He said that a dialogue with the opponents of mega projects had started with Baloch leaders and hoped that soon some positive outcome would emerge. "People of Balochistan want progress and development in their province but people from outside don't.

The president has given Rs5 billion for Gwadar Development Authority and assured that locals would be provided all possible opportunities. The Balochistan chief minister announced a donation of half a million rupees for the KPC.

'RAW camps in Balochistan' -DAWN - Top Stories; 31 August, 2004

Also, can you provide the exact locations of these consulates?

Thanks

Currently India has 1 Embassy in Kabul and 4 consulates in Qandahar, Mare-i-Sharif, Herat and Jalalabad, 3 more are to be opened in near future.
 
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Analysis
'RAW Is Training 600 Baluchis In Afghanistan': Mushahid Hussain

Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed is a man who wears many caps: he is the Pakistan Senate foreign relations committee chairman, the secretary-general of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League, and widely regarded as Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf's right-hand man. A former editor of a major national daily, Hussain knows a thing or two about the unrest in Baluchistan. It was a parliamentary committee headed by him that had recommended that the government grant autonomy to the Baluchis, and ensure their province wasn't forgotten in the rapid economic development of Pakistan.

M H AHSAN met Hussain at his residence in Islamabad's upscale E-sector, recently on his visit to Pakistan. Though the joke here is that the E is for Extremely Rich, Hussain's own home is modest. His phone keeps ringing as he takes calls from politicians of all ideological hues. Between calls, he talks about the Great Game India's playing inside Afghanistan and its possibility of destabilizing the region.

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Why should Pakistan complain about India having several consulates in Afghanistan?

They are two sovereign states. India currently has an extensive diplomatic presence in Afghanistan. It includes the Indian embassy in Kabul and another four consulates in Kandahar, Jalalabad, Mazar-e-Sharif and Herat. These Indian diplomatic missions serve as launching pads for undertaking covert operations against Pakistan, from Afghan soil.

Particularly, the Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad and their embassy in Kabul are used for clandestine activities inside Pakistan in general and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and Baluchistan in particular.

Are you alleging that the Indian Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) is involved?

Indian diplomatic and RAW officials have significant ingress in the Afghan ministry of tribal affairs, and are exploiting it to conduct covert activities. Indian agents are instrumental in arranging meetings of tribal elders and Afghans with dual nationalities with Indian consulate officials in Jalalabad, and assisting them in spotting and recruiting suitable tribal elders from Jalalabad and Pakistan's North and South Waziristan Agencies for covert activities.

Are you then saying that RAW has managed a strong presence inside Afghanistan after the ouster of the Taliban?

RAW has established its training camps in Afghanistan in collaboration with the Northern Alliance remnants. Approximately 600 ferraris, or Baluchi tribal dissidents, are getting specialized training to handle explosives, engineer bomb blasts, and use sophisticated weapons in these camps.

Has India revived its links with the leaders of the erstwhile Northern Alliance who are in power in Afghanistan today?

India has invested heavily in its old connections with the leaders of the erstwhile Northern Alliance. It has sizeable support in Afghan parliament. Before the Afghan elections last year, the Indian ambassador called the Northern Alliance's major leadership at his residence and paid them a handsome amount to run their election campaign.

Are allegations of India placing troops in Afghanistan correct?

India is gradually increasing the number of its paramilitary personnel in Afghanistan. It is stationing them there on the pretext of providing security and protection to the Border Roads Organization, which is constructing the Zaranj-Dilaram road, and its consulates. From a few personnel, the strength of Indian troops has reached almost that of a company size force and even includes Black Cat Commandos.

Is the Afghan state helping India in these operations?

Yes, the Afghan Police, the Border Security Force and customs officials facilitate the visit of Indian diplomatic staff and intelligence agents to border areas, and help them to hold meetings with dissatisfied pro-Afghan dissidents, anti-state elements, and elders of the area. In this context, meetings of tribal elders are arranged by the Afghan intelligence agency (Riyast-i-Amniyat-i-Milli or RAM) at the behest of those RAW officials who serve in different diplomatic offices of India in Afghanistan. Indian agents are carrying out clandestine activities in the border areas of Khost and in Pakistan's tribal areas of Miranshah with the active support of Afghan Border Security Force officials.

If you remember, after Pakistan took action against the Baluchistan Liberation Army and other elements inside the province, the Indian external affairs ministry was quick to issue an unprecedented statement in December 2005; their strategic writers have started focusing on Baluchistan in their articles. This does not bode well for peace and stability in the region. I have no doubt that this will backfire on India.

Pak feels India is propping up the Baluch war: When the Pakistan government decided to ban the Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA) last fortnight, it was tacitly admitting to the situation having gone completely awry in the province of Baluchistan. For 17 months now, the BLA's engaged the battle-hardened Pakistani army, with alarming successes. Every now and then, BLA activists slip through the security cordon the army has thrown around sensitive installations to blow up bridges, rail tracks, electricity towers, and worse, gas pipelines.

The BLA's firepower, and its ability to undertake terrorist attacks with impunity, had months earlier raised the specter of a foreign power assisting the militant group.

Though several officials privately claimed that the Indian hand was fanning the discontent in Baluchistan, they desisted from naming it publicly.

Such diplomatic niceties were cast aside in December when New Delhi accused the Pak army of large-scale human rights abuses in Baluchistan. Not only did Islamabad ask New Delhi to douse the fire of insurgency in its own backyard, President Pervez Musharraf even told a TV channel that India was pumping funds into Baluchistan to create mischief there. New Delhi maintained a stony silence.

In late February, Musharraf presented Afghan President Hamid Karzai, on his visit here, documents detailing how India was using bases in Afghanistan to foment trouble in Baluchistan and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Till date, Afghanistan hasn't rebutted the charges.

Yet, as Islamabad battles insurgents, it is simultaneously under American pressure to improve ties with India and Afghanistan. As one senior foreign official told to this writer, "Matters are improving and we are talking to the Afghans and Indians all the time. We in no way want to put roadblocks in the composite dialogue with India and do not want to annoy the Afghans and give them an excuse to run to New Delhi."

This geopolitical compulsion is why no Pakistani minister or official is willing to go on record about India's destabilizing maneuvers in Pakistan.

Some feel that the BLA and tribal leader Nawab Akbar Bugti, whose Bugti tribe is at the vanguard of the armed movement, haven't been weaned away from the path of violence only because India has stoked their aspirations—and helped augment their stockpile of weapons. They say the BLA's demands are what most independent states encounter in their history. These include greater autonomy, a better share in the revenue accruing from the resources of the province, and a check on development projects which threaten to alienate the tribals from their land.

In an attempt to establish the state's writ, the army is searching for Akbar Bugti, who has gone underground.

May 14, 2006

No "Ehsan" by Ahsan and No Hosanna for Hussain

I am all for a free press but when BOLOJI decides to publish partisan propaganda by a Pakistani politician with the help of a Muslim Indian without editorial comment or even a footnote disclaimer, I am compelled to take a pen to joust with blatant one sided propaganda.

1) All embassies and consulates indulge in intelligence activity and sometimes clandestinely. There is an oft quoted pun that defines an ambassador as "An honest man (or woman) who LIES abroad for the good of his (or her) nation". If Pakistan thinks that the government of Afghanistan is allowing too many consulates or allowing India to destabilize Pakistan, it is a matter they should take up with Afghanistan. The truth is that Pakistan’s own misguided

'Raw is Training 600 Baluchis in Afghanistan' : Mushahid Hussain
 
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^^^That's hardly independent research. Quoting a government spokesman hardly lends credibility to the allegations. Infact, it undermines them.

It has just a little more credibility than the Chinese claims that the Dalai Lama is organizing riots. And that's not saying much.

Obviously, India has a huge presence in Afghanistan. India is training the Afghan army, police, building roads, hospitals and other facilities. Pakistan has motive to discredit the Indian presence in that country.
 
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Please tell me why USA and India are reluctunt to declare or recognise BLA as a terrorist group?
 
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if you get link so what man whole world know this truth only a link needs to prof this .and conslites why not more in saudia were 1200.000 indian people cry for renew there passports and indian gov have only three here but in afghanistan 6 for what ?
 
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Please tell me why USA and India are reluctunt to declare or recognise BLA as a terrorist group?

India doesn't usually concern itself with terror groups that don't directly affect it.
For example, India has probably not declared any outfits in Latin America or China as terror groups either.

As for the US, here is what Wikipedia has to say:

The group has also been listed a terror group by MIPT Terrorism Knowledge base, an organisation funded by the US Dept. for homeland Security.
 
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