باجوہ کی ویڈیو سب ٹائیٹل کے ساتھ آگئی

[El Sidd]

Pak army destroyed Afghanistan. And when Afghans give reaction then they are called namak haram this and that. The people who destroyed both Afghanistan and Pakistan will inshaAllah pay the price.

I think you people spend too much time on the dark side of YouTube.

 

[blain2]

Pak army destroyed Afghanistan. And when Afghans give reaction then they are called namak haram this and that. The people who destroyed both Afghanistan and Pakistan will inshaAllah pay the price.

Pak Army did not destroy anything.

It's either "motivated" or ill-informed tripe like above which destroys our own lack of objectivity and clarity. Pakistan Army/ISI filled a void that was created by external invading entities. Did we invite the goddamned Soviets or the Americans to attack Afghanistan and occupy it?

We did what made sense for us to secure our backyard. The same Afghans who cry about Pakistan today were playing these same games with the British, Sikh and other empires in the past when Pakistan was not even in existence. Planting their favorites, plotting and conducting machinations. They continued doing that once Pakistan was founded. These actions of Afghans resulted in a security posture being taken by Pakistan. And guess who the original architects of Pakistan's west-ward security posture were? All or our senior Pashtun officers/bureaucrats/diplomats because they understood the power politics between the Pashtuns and other denominations in Afghanistan. This is what shaped the policies which Pakistan carried on after the instabilities in the tribal areas and NWFP in the 50s at the hands of Afghan proxies. So before you put an inshallah on things, let it not become an own-goal.

Also, before we rush to conduct this self-flaggelation, try to understand the dynamics and get clarity of thought that it was never Pakistan or Pakistan army that destroyed Afghanistan. There were plenty of spoilers already at play and we never had enough power to play gods in Afghanistan in any case.

 

[Sinnerman108]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665648253944098819

Like i have always said,
the problem with Pakistan Army , Aviation , civil service is that their measure of success is
to become angrez.

Until such times that their qibla is not in the country, that feeds them,
these creatures will keep believing that they are superior to the civilians who feed them.

Shame on this officer, who served his country in such a way, that he doesn't have the balls
to go and enjoy his vacation in Pakistan.

no disgrace, can equal this.

 

[Tamerlane]

Pakistan under Zia was actively working with CIA to destabilize Afghanistan to provoke the Soviet invasion. In fact, all the mujahideen groups that took part in the anti-Soviet jihad were already working with CIA and ISI before the invasion. The ‘Bear Trap’ worked out well for the West, but not so well for Afghanistan or Pakistan.

ChatGPT: CIA involvement in Afghanistan prior to Soviet invasion.

The CIA, or Central Intelligence Agency, had a significant involvement in Afghanistan prior to the Soviet invasion in 1979. In the late 1970s, the United States, along with several other countries, including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, started providing covert support to Afghan resistance groups, collectively known as the mujahideen. The CIA played a central role in coordinating this assistance, which included training, funding, and arming the mujahideen.

The CIA's objectives were to counter the Soviet Union's expanding influence in the region and to support the Afghan resistance against the Soviet-backed government. The CIA facilitated the flow of weapons, including anti-aircraft missiles, to the mujahideen, and also provided intelligence and logistical support.

This covert involvement by the CIA, along with assistance from other countries, contributed to strengthening the Afghan resistance and significantly impacted the course of the conflict that followed the Soviet invasion in 1979.

 

[Areesh]

how many years till we start saying that Afghanis were right like bengalis.

Afghans are not our own citizens like Bengalis

Cut down this nonsense please

 

[blain2]

Pakistan under Zia was actively working with CIA to destabilize Afghanistan to provoke the Soviet invasion. In fact, all the mujahideen groups that took part in the anti-Soviet jihad were already working with CIA and ISI before the invasion. The ‘Bear Trap’ worked out well for the West, but not so well for Afghanistan or Pakistan.

ChatGPT: CIA involvement in Afghanistan prior to Soviet invasion.

The CIA, or Central Intelligence Agency, had a significant involvement in Afghanistan prior to the Soviet invasion in 1979. In the late 1970s, the United States, along with several other countries, including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, started providing covert support to Afghan resistance groups, collectively known as the mujahideen. The CIA played a central role in coordinating this assistance, which included training, funding, and arming the mujahideen.

The CIA's objectives were to counter the Soviet Union's expanding influence in the region and to support the Afghan resistance against the Soviet-backed government. The CIA facilitated the flow of weapons, including anti-aircraft missiles, to the mujahideen, and also provided intelligence and logistical support.

This covert involvement by the CIA, along with assistance from other countries, contributed to strengthening the Afghan resistance and significantly impacted the course of the conflict that followed the Soviet invasion in 1979.

Let me call nonsense on above.

President Zia was a nobody in the 70s when Bhutto plucked him to be the CoAS after Gen Tikka, who was the last C-in-C in 1976. Zia became CoAS and soon thereafter the Soviets launched their war in 1979. That does not give any Guderian of ours either the funding or the resources to organize a destabilization plan against the Soviets when they were not even in Afghanistan till 1979 and that too without the backing of the US.

At that time, Pakistan was consumed in another insurgency in Baluchistan which had re-ignited in 1973. So Pakistan had its hands full, the military was rebuilding after the 1971 war, we were under sanctions from the West (Carter did not like Zia or Pakistan) and we had no money to plan, instigate any such destabilization with CIA or otherwise.

It was only after the Soviets invaded in 1979, that the Americans came to Pakistan and asked for Zia's support in building up a resistance with some promises of help that were refused by Zia as "peanuts".

So just because CIA had some global domination plans against the Soviets and vice versa does not automatically include Pakistan. The post above is a narrative of convenience to back a certain sentiment prevalent in the moment.

 

[Sayfullah]

Pakistan’s interference in Afghanistan, its support to mujahideen against soviets and its support to mujahideen against NATO was essential to secure Pakistan’s western front.
The price Pakistan has to pay for this is TTP. But the price is still cheaper than a fully functional conventionally strong Afghan military that’s internationally recognized and supported.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan’s interference in Afghanistan, its support to mujahideen against soviets and its support to mujahideen against NATO was essential to secure Pakistan’s western front.
The price Pakistan has to pay for this is TTP. But the price is still cheaper than a fully functional conventionally strong Afghan military that’s internationally recognized and supported.

food for thought about Afghans

 

[fitpOsitive]

Pak Army did not destroy anything.

It's either "motivated" or ill-informed tripe like above which destroys our own lack of objectivity and clarity. Pakistan Army/ISI filled a void that was created by external invading entities. Did we invite the goddamned Soviets or the Americans to attack Afghanistan and occupy it?

Pakistani establishment creates voids and fills it. Just like current political void. And of course we didn't invite anyone to invade, we just made it easy for them and then after the war, we settled in Europe or America with all the money we earned.

We did what made sense for us to secure our backyard.

That's not true. Some CIA operatives visited Pakistan before soviet war, and then Pakistan became a front line ally overnight. The shower of dollar on military. When 911 happened, we remembered that shower. And man we earned it again.

The same Afghans who cry about Pakistan today were playing these same games with the British, Sikh and other empires in the past when Pakistan was not even in existence. Planting their favorites, plotting and conducting machinations. They continued doing that once Pakistan was founded. These actions of Afghans resulted in a security posture being taken by Pakistan. And guess who the original architects of Pakistan's west-ward security posture were? All or our senior Pashtun officers/bureaucrats/diplomats because they understood the power politics between the Pashtuns and other denominations in Afghanistan. This is what shaped the policies which Pakistan carried on after the instabilities in the tribal areas and NWFP in the 50s at the hands of Afghan proxies. So before you put an inshallah on things, let it not become an own-goal.

I mean, Afghanistan has many neighbors. Why only Pakistan thinks about Afghans like that? Why only we feel threatened? And the things that you mentioned, is there any country in this world where people dont do such things against someone else? But why it doesnt beome a problem over there? Because the leaderships in those countries are more focused on some other things, rather than earning money from chaos.

Also, before we rush to conduct this self-flaggelation, try to understand the dynamics and get clarity of thought that it was never Pakistan or Pakistan army that destroyed Afghanistan. There were plenty of spoilers already at play and we never had enough power to play gods in Afghanistan in any case.

No situation becomes bad till people start earning money from it. Ofcourse Afghans were also involved, but majority was as innocent as Pakistani majority. Afghan situation disturbed Pakistan to the core.
How?
Post Bhutto Pakistan was struggling with finances as bhutto destroyed industry to the core. We needed reforms in that era. But rather than earning through reforms, we became a party in war business, and then for next decade, we only focused on spending as dollars were free. Then post war era, 1990s started. It was a time of economic depression for us. We started visits to USA for money, to no avail. And then, may God bless CIA, did 911. Hurra, we got second chance to enter into another spending spree. We only concentrated on spending and on holala. Again no planning for economy. So Army was getting the money, and we were all spending it. Meanwhile we were also calling names to USA, that what a evil force USA was.
And then USA left and money stopped.
Now we are again in post war economic depression. And guess what, we are again trying to create something in the hope, so that may be, may be war starts again(we will not plan whatsoever).

That's what Army did to this Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

[One_Nation]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665648253944098819

He is a coward. He lived by the priciple of ruling through stick and abusing his power.
Now he is faced with a situation where he is not the powerful one, he bows his head down in shame. He had no courage to stand up and fight. He represents the coward culture that is dominant in Pakistan.

 

[Olympus81]

The problem is what Pakistan did post Afghan war.

- Deweaponize mujahideens
- Seal the border
- Send the refugees back
- Help build proper infrastructure in Afghanistan (the West and Pakistan)

Hindsight is 20/20 but there have been ample examples in history that other nations have done with positive outcomes.

Instead most Pakistanis looked at FATA aka ilaka e ghair with pride. The state never was interested in managing the border and turned a blind eye towards the Al Qaeda and all sort of terrorist groups. Next you had a cluster **** of terrorists roaming around.

The blowback that Pakistan has suffered post Afghan war has impacted the social fabric of the state of Pakistan.

For the love of God, follow a policy of common sense. Let me spell it out for you. Ban all extremists groups, police the country, manage your borders, don’t let other countries bomb your population, follow the rule of law. You will in time become a developing country.

Instead you peddle to the extremist groups until they come home to roost. You follow a certain proxy group against the other and then things go South. You follow a doctrine of necessity and then your narrative explodes in your face. You are sympathetic to extremists groups while they continue to eat away at your social fabric. And to make matters worse you don’t have an iota of governance.

 

[HAIDER]

Now Hamid Mir is after Bajwa big time... he openly claims on TV shows and interview Gen Bajwa compromised on Kashmir cause.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Pakistan’s interference in Afghanistan, its support to mujahideen against soviets and its support to mujahideen against NATO was essential to secure Pakistan’s western front.
The price Pakistan has to pay for this is TTP. But the price is still cheaper than a fully functional conventionally strong Afghan military that’s internationally recognized and supported.

That is one way to look at it.
another way is that our forces were and are too lazy to do something about their responsibility.

Don't believe me ?

Look at the officer quality, and look at the monkey games these idiots are playing
only to be exposed themselves.

 

[Olympus81]

Now Hamid Mir is after Bajwa big time... he openly claims on TV shows and interview Gen Bajwa compromised on Kashmir cause.

Never understood this prick.

What does he have on the Generals that he is untouchable.

 

[blain2]

Now Hamid Mir is after Bajwa big time... he openly claims on TV shows and interview Gen Bajwa compromised on Kashmir cause.

Hamid Mir has no credibility ever since he was the cheerleader for TTP. He goes where the wind blows.