Babri Masjid Case Ruling Today

[Markus]

Most importantly, there should be no bloodshed and violence and I hope the federal law enforcement authorities as put in and there is no dependency on the Gujarat authorities who are led by a genocidal maniac.

Glad to read that thing in bold.

 

[Awesome]

You are expecting justice from a country which is enslaving millions of people ?

We'll cross that bridge when we have to, I'm hopeful that the suffering of the Indian muslims will not be in vain and justice shall prevail.

It is not about the concrete and real estate of Babri Masjid any more. It is about right and wrong and ensuring the criminals of the 1992 and 2002 massacres are not rewarded but instead punished. The mosque is not a religious issue for Muslims its about right and wrong.

Bulley Shah's words describe it best:

Masjid dha day, mandir dha de, dha de jo kuch dhainda
Bass kissay da dil na dhaveen, rab dilaan vich rehnda

 

[Markus]

We'll cross that bridge when we have to, I'm hopeful that the suffering of the Indian muslims will not be in vain and justice shall prevail.

It is not about the concrete and real estate of Babri Masjid any more. It is about right and wrong and ensuring the criminals of the 1992 and 2002 massacres are not rewarded but instead punished. The mosque is not a religious issue for Muslims its about right and wrong.

Bulley shah's words describe it best:

Masjid dha day, mandir dha de, dha de jo kuch dhainda
Bass kissay da dil na dhaveen, rab dilaan vich rehnda

I'll take the above as your personal opinion. The ppl of India (incl Muslims) are tired with this ongoing drama and there is no connection between Gujarat riots and Ayodhya case at all, so stop making one!

 

[Kompromat]

Why dont you show a little patience, its a question of few more hours?

Why are u in a hurry to pass your own judgement, lets the judges do it, its their job.

As I said above, the best possible solution is for the status quo to be maintained.

You guys run fairly low on expectations to performance ratio. I personally don't have any doubt that Hindus will win.

 

[Markus]

You guys run fairly low on expectations to performance ratio. I personally don't have any doubt that Hindus will win.

My friend you must read this, today is not the D-Day, the end result is far far away. Actually it dosent matter what happens today, because the route to SC is still open.
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Babri verdict imminent, but closure far

The Supreme Court on Tuesday cleared the way for Allahabad High Court to deliver the verdict in the Hindu-Muslim dispute over Babri Masjid, but it is almost certain that this will not bring closure in the case.

When the high court pronounces the judgment in the Ram Janmabhoomi- Babri Masjid title suit, the first leg of the 61-year-old litigation will come to an end.

There are already indications that this will be just the beginning of the second and crucial round of the legal battle when some parties in the case will approach the Supreme Court in appeal.

The Lucknow bench of Allahabad High Court has ended the suspense over the date of the verdict. The counsel for the petitioners have been told that the judgment will be pronounced at 3.30 pm on Thursday.

This communication was made shortly after a three- judge Supreme Court bench - comprising Chief Justice S H Kapadia and Justices Aftab Alam and K S Radhakrishnan - dismissed Ramesh Chandra Tripathi's special leave petition (SLP) for deferment of the verdict to enable another attempt at an out-of-court settlement.

Justices S U Khan, D V Sharma and Sudhir Agarwal of the special high court bench held a meeting and communicated the next date for the verdict to the registrar and officer on special duty. However, the parties to the dispute have indicated that an appeal could be filed before the Supreme Court by those who feel aggrieved by the high court judgment.

Zafaryab Jilani, counsel, Sunni Central Waqf Board (SCWB), said, "I have been saying right from the beginning that the high court verdict is only one step towards justice. One can move the Supreme Court or opt for amicable settlement after the high court pronounces the judgment." Ranjana Agnihotri, counsel for Shankaracharya Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati, one of the plaintiffs, said, "We want to know the high court verdict as soon as possible because we have to plan our next step. We will accept the high court verdict even if it goes against us. This is because we know it is only a step towards the judicial process. A higher court is still there." Ashok Singhal, international president of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), said, "We will be free to move ahead and appeal in the Supreme Court in case the verdict goes against us. There is much more in stock in future." Singhal said Parliament can enact legislation for a Ram temple in Ayodhya. This, according to him, would be the only way for an amicable settlement.

On Tuesday, the apex court did not give reasons for dismissing the petition, which seemed to upset lawyers representing the parties in the case. The court only said, "Having considered the detailed arguments advanced in these cases, we are of the view that the special leave petitions deserved to be dismissed." One legal view is that the court is not bound to give reasons for not entertaining an SLP - unlike an appeal - as the court has the discretion to entertain or reject it.

Even as the Centre identified potential trouble spots and made elaborate security arrangements to keep matters under control if tension built up following Thursday's verdict, political parties believe there will be no communal flare- up.

In the Congress's assessment, apparently bolstered by intelligence reports, the Ram Janmabhoomi issue has "outlived its votecatching utility" for the BJP. The VHP alone could provide cause for worry for the law-enforcing agencies. The Congress's confidence is underscored by the statement of Digvijay Singh, AICC general secretary in charge of Uttar Pradesh, "I am sure the BJP will realise that 2010 is not 1992 and refrain from inciting violence." BJP spokesman Prakash Javadekar said that the Supreme Court decision had ended the uncertainty over the long-standing dispute. However, he noted that even after the verdict of the Lucknow Bench of the Allahabad high court, there will still be legal avenues ahead. "We appeal to the people to maintain peace and calm in the country and are hopeful that they will do so." Earlier, senior counsel Mukul Rohatgi, appearing for Tripathi, admitted that most parties were against talks for settlement. But he stressed that it was a dispute between two major groups or denominations in the country and 20 parties fighting the legal battle did not reflect the views of the two communities.

On Justice Kapadia stressing that he had intervened in the last minute to attempt an out-of-court settlement, Rohatgi said the application was filed as other parties had not come forward. "We are running against time… You woke up late," Justice Alam said.

Senior counsel Anoop G Chaudhari, appearing for the waqf board, said, "Let us be practical. It is a suit in which both parties have let evidence to prove their title. There is no question of dividing the land… either I or he has to give up." Senior counsel Ravi Shankar Prasad said the court should reject the argument that the verdict would have law and order problems as "non-delivery of the judgment" will also have consequences. "All major parties in the case are ruling out a settlement at this stage. The matter will come here on merits, evidence and on facts… there will be a wider canvas for settlement." Soli J. Sorabjee also supported Prasad and said the parties may soften their stand after learning of their rights after the judgment.

"Should the judges be held at ransom," he asked, rebutting arguments that there could be law and order problems.

Attorney General G E Vahanvati might have tilted the balance against the petitioners by stating that mediation, though the preferred option, had failed. He said the government was in favour of a resolution one way or the other.

The judges leaned in favour of putting an end to the legal dispute which had cropped up immediately after independence. The earlier September 23 order of the apex court staying the pronouncement of the verdict by the high court had raised fears for further delay. But, the three- judge bench presided over by Chief Justice Kapadia gave the green light for the high court to pronounce the judgment, eventually reducing the delay in the matter to mere few days.

 

[Awesome]

I'll take the above as your personal opinion. The ppl of India (incl Muslims) are tired with this ongoing drama and there is no connection between Gujarat riots and Ayodhya case at all, so stop making one!

There is one connection.

The murderers are the same people. The idea is the same, do anything against the Indian Muslims and nothing would happen to them. Justice in the 2002 case is still pending, Modi has to be keemafied for the amount of babys he beheaded and fetuses he burnt in pregnant bellies.

 

[Markus]

There is one connection.

The murderers are the same people. The idea is the same, do anything against the Indian Muslims and nothing would happen to them. Justice in the 2002 case is still pending, Modi has to be keemafied for the amount of babys he beheaded and fetuses he burnt in pregnant bellies.

With full respect to you, I would like to completely disagree on the connection that you are trying to make.

Modi has nothing much to do with Ayodhya except some speeches during election time in Gujarat, in the same way as Advani has nothing to do with Gujarat riots except some sweet talk to save the party's reputation.

The only coincidence that they belong to same party. If you feel that only Modi's party was behind Ayodhya mess and the Congress had nothing to do with this, then you are far away from reality.

And discussing into Gujarat riots, given the fact that we are discussing Ayodhya in this thread is injustice in itself.

 

[Anonymous_Clown]

The Pakistani posters on this thread are behaving like mischief mongers. A neutral report from BBC has been quoted but the poster has put in his own huge headline in bold as though it actually came from the BBC!

And understand one thing: today's verdict is about whom the real estate belongs to. It is not related in any way to punishing the people involved in Gujarat violence. There are separate cases going on for that purpose, and totally unrelated to this one. I agree in principle that everyone involved in the Gujarat violence must be punished, starting from the Muslims who burnt the coach full of Hindu piligrims in Godhra, all the way to the Hindus who went about burning and pillaging Muslim property. But bringing it up in this completely unrelated Ayodhya thread shows the cheap mentality of the Pakistani posters on this thread.

 

[Awesome]

With full respect to you, I would like to completely disagree on the connection that you are trying to make.

Modi has nothing much to do with Ayodhya except some speeches during election time in Gujarat, in the same way as Advani has nothing to do with Gujarat riots except some sweet talk to save the party's reputation.

The only coincidence that they belong to same party. If you feel that only Modi's party was behind Ayodhya mess and the Congress had nothing to do with this, then you are far away from reality.

And discussing into Gujarat riots, given the fact that we are discussing Ayodhya in this thread is injustice in itself.

Its a sequence of events that started at the Babri Masjid's demolition.

Its the broken windows theory, India did not punish the RSS in 1992, they went ahead and massacred more people in 2002.

The theory dictates that if you leave a broken window lying around, miscreants would come and break other windows in the area.

 

[notsuperstitious]

There is one connection.

The murderers are the same people. The idea is the same, do anything against the Indian Muslims and nothing would happen to them. Justice in the 2002 case is still pending, Modi has to be keemafied for the amount of babys he beheaded and fetuses he burnt in pregnant bellies.

The fetuses propaganda story has been proven to be a lie.

But then again, don't want to confuse peoples' preconceived notions with facts.

Also many people have already been sentenced by courts in the gujarat riots case. But then, you want modi kimafied because that suits your worldview better.

 

[Fasih Khan]

There is one connection.

The murderers are the same people. The idea is the same, do anything against the Indian Muslims and nothing would happen to them. Justice in the 2002 case is still pending, Modi has to be keemafied for the amount of babys he beheaded and fetuses he burnt in pregnant bellies.

The murderers are the same ''people''. You know who they are, don't you ?

 

[Markus]

Its a sequence of events that started at the Babri Masjid's demolition.

Its the broken windows theory, India did not punish the RSS in 1992, they went ahead and massacred more people in 2002.

The theory dictates that if you leave a broken window lying around, miscreants would come and break other windows in the area.

Again you are trying to link the two.

Riots happened in Gujarat because 58 Hindus were killed by Muslims and that had nothing to do with Ayodhya.

The perpetrators of riots are facing trial in a different case which has nothing to do with the Ayodhya case.

Hope its clear now.

 

[KS]

Most importantly, there should be no bloodshed and violence and I hope the federal law enforcement authorities as put in and there is no dependency on the Gujarat authorities who are led by a genocidal maniac.

Gujarat not even in the list of sensitive states as identified by Chidambaram - the sensitive ones being Kerala,karnataka,Maharashtra,MP and UP itself.

And yet somebody knows more than our Home Minister itself.

 

[EjazR]

Asim,

thanks for your concern. You will be glad to know that the low level and mid level responsible in Gujarat riots have already been convited and senteced. Currently the investigations have reached all the way to the Hoome miniter Amit Shah currently in custody and Modi himself.

Other investigations around fake encounter killings are also taking place and officers have been arrested and denied bail.

I hate to draw comparisons but when there was no war crimes tribunal or punishing of the guilty of PA who were involved in genocide ofBengalis in 69,70,71, I think Indian muslims have been able to do a commendable job, despite the fact that hostility from Pakistan to India is has been a net negative to Indian muslims.

The verdict is on title suit. Its not about the riots or other plainly criminal activities of Hindu right wing outfits and other fanatics like shiv sena and VHP crazies who went on a rampage.

The title suit will be based on the factsbefore it and then decide wether the land belongs to muslims or Hindus among other things. So even if based on the facts it is decided that Hindus own the land, it still doesnt mean that killings and riots that took place after the demolition were 2000+ people died can be endoresed in any shape or form. That will always stay a black mark in the history of India.

 

[Anonymous_Clown]

Asim,

thanks for your concern. You will be glad to know that the low level and mid level responsible in Gujarat riots have already been convited and senteced. Currently the investigations have reached all the way to the Hoome miniter Amit Shah currently in custody and Modi himself.

Other investigations around fake encounter killings are also taking place and officers have been arrested and denied bail.

I hate to draw comparisons but when there was no war crimes tribunal or punishing of the guilty of PA who were involved in genocide ofBengalis in 69,70,71, I think Indian muslims have been able to do a commendable job, despite the fact that hostility from Pakistan to India is has been a net negative to Indian muslims.

The verdict is on title suit. Its not about the riots or other plainly criminal activities of Hindu right wing outfits and other fanatics like shiv sena and VHP crazies who went on a rampage.

The title suit will be based on the factsbefore it and then decide wether the land belongs to muslims or Hindus among other things. So even if based on the facts it is decided that Hindus own the land, it still doesnt mean that killings and riots that took place after the demolition were 2000+ people died can be endoresed in any shape or form. That will always stay a black mark in the history of India.

I agree with you completely. These Pakistani posters who pretend to be sympathetic to Indian Muslims are trying their best to poison relations and create rifts even where minimal/no passions exist. As India improves its earnings and standard of living, these nonsense issues of Mandir-Masjid will recede into the background and become less and less relevant. Already, the atmosphere is much better than it was in 1992 and vastly fewer people are as hyped up as they were back then.

Personally, I don't care tuppence whether they build a Temple, Mosque or whatever the hell they wish to. I only want this damn issue to get out of people's minds and take a backseat as soon as possible!