AVIC Presents FC-31 Stealth Fighter model to Pakistan Air Force Chief.

[Indus Falcon]

 

[flameboard]

PAF will not buy without a good avionics package as well. There's very little known in terms of that

 

[Viking 63]

50 billion usd defence budget.........haee

 

[That Guy]

@That Guy You were arguing with me on another thread about the Jordanian F16's. Kindly read the above statement, re-read it, and then again re-read it. Thank You!

Remind me of what I said, I don't seem to remember. kindly post the thread link.

 

[Taygibay]

Thanks Nordic Babe for saving me the hassle to answer about 2 bucks magnet and illuminati tech transfer.

Big hug, Tay.

 

[thrilainmanila]

it hurts me when Pak Faziya infest in chai wala fighter jets, the FC-31 got bad reviews in the last airshow in china, not a single deligation was at all impressed. the FC-31 isn't the future its a chaiwala fighter jet that uses outdated mig-29 engines, are you telling me this is the future? why not invest money in a proper 5th generation fighter jet instead of a pretend one.

 

[Indus Falcon]

it hurts me when Pak Faziya infest in chai wala fighter jets, the FC-31 got bad reviews in the last airshow in china, not a single deligation was at all impressed. the FC-31 isn't the future its a chaiwala fighter jet that uses outdated mig-29 engines, are you telling me this is the future? why not invest money in a proper 5th generation fighter jet instead of a pretend one.

Go through the thread. Read the pertinent posts, then tell us what do yo understand?

Good day/ night!

 

[syedali73]

So the deal is almost done

Our Air Chief's have also been presented with J-10 model but no acquisitions were ever made. Lets not blow this formal gesture out of proportion for our Air Force has a history to disappointing this nation when it comes to make proactive decisions. I will be highly surprised to see J-31 in PAF colors.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Stealth with such a load under wings?

I like this Cool CGI - Bigger and Stealthy

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[Indus Falcon]

Stealth with such a load under wings?

Sir, please see post#106. Internal weapons bay.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Just like we presented Thunder models to so many without them actually buying Thunders.
Pakistani fan boys including some mods go crazy without any official confirmation and start giving squadron induction dates. LOL

Let the Chief complete his visit and come back, he will share whatever information he thinks is worth sharing.

Our Air Chief's have also been presented with J-10 model but no acquisitions were ever made. Lets not blow this formal gesture out of proportion for our Air Force has a history to disappointing this nation when it comes to make proactive decisions. I will be highly surprised to see J-31 in PAF colors.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Just like we presented Thunder models to so many without them actually buying Thunders.
Pakistani fan boys including some mods go crazy without any official confirmation and start giving squadron induction dates. LOL

Let the Chief complete his visit and come back, he will share whatever information he thinks is worth sharing.

I don't know about other mods, but Horus is usually bang on the buck, since he does have insider info.

 

[Thorough Pro]

That would put a lot of burden on the pilot and hence the case for twin seat version to be more effective.

Update : In the presentation J31 used "Optical" sensors to fire BVR at very long ranges - to dispatch many Su30's - it was a devastating performance, the "adversary" aircraft - representing the entity to the east.

Also presented was the "net centric capability" - J31 can operate a swarm of UAV's which have both surveillance, battle damage assessment, attack both air/ground capability, with the 31 acting as a conductor in a symphony.

Also the 31 avionics are going to introduce a revolutionary new ergonomic flight computer which will allow the aircraft to fly itself and allow the pilot to concentrate on the swarm communications.

Some of the above capability will come with the first aircraft others in a series of upgrades/

From other thread.

For us it will do even if its better than the best in the region.

Looks aweaome J31. But will it be at part with western counterparts only time will tell.

Don't worry, it would stay south of 50

Do tell what is gonna happen that suddenly your Defense budget will swell to north of 50 billion dollars

1.14 billion times 5 years is 5.7 billion and if financing is available, then you don't need to pay the full amount upfront. if 5 year financing is available the amount swells to 11.4 billion, which should be enough to finance two squadrons.

You are saying:
50 billion dollars / fiscal cycle
Op Ex allocation : 62% - 31 Billion dollars for Mil budget
Total Capex Allocation: 19
Airforce Capex Budget: 30% - 5.7 Billion dollars/ year - 2020-22 That is pretty good But:



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+ 2013-14 - $6.3 Billion
+ 2014-15 - $6.3 Billion


In last 15 years you went from 2 billion to 6.3 billion...
But in next 5 years you go from 6.3 Billion to 50 Billion dollars ... if your defination of fiscal cycle (1 budgetary year) is correct.

If you mean 10 Billion / year and 50 billion in 5 years... which is more likely...

then
10 billion / fiscal year
Op ex allocation : 62% - 6.2 Billion
Capex Total: 3.8 Billion
Air Force Capex: 30% : 1.14 Billion Dollars (in 2020)

Now tell me will that suffice for FC31, atleast half a squadron every year......

 

[syedali73]

Just like we presented Thunder models to so many without them actually buying Thunders.
Pakistani fan boys including some mods go crazy without any official confirmation and start giving squadron induction dates. LOL

Let the Chief complete his visit and come back, he will share whatever information he thinks is worth sharing.

I have simply stopped taking anything seriously even if it is coming from Air Chiefs' mouths. They mislead and give false hope to the nation. The fact is, PAF has no plans whatsoever, she never had. PAF has always done impulsive shopping and almost always in reaction to IAF and that is something I never agree with. With this mindset (it is no strategy) we play by the rules set by our enemy instead of forcing our enemy to play by the rules we set. Like we have been hearing the PAF is watching if and when IAF is going to induct Rafale... what did PAF learn from learning that IAF was inducting Rafale or not? Is this not the fact that almost every fighter including F-35 is on offer to IAF and she can very well afford those too? PAF has to make up her mind, whatever platform she choses, she has to begin assimilating them in numbers and soon. I have been hearing arguments that we do not want J-10bs because we'd like to see the similar tech in JF-17 Blk-III. Aerodynamically, two machines are totally different, in payload, also different. I just don't understand how JF-17 blk-III will prove a replacement of J-10b. Anyway, for me PAF is a lost case. We should just be happy with whatever we have and pray to Allah that PAF is not put to challenge otherwise results wont be much different than they were during Kargil conflict.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I tend to agree with your thoughts, but the problem with PAF is that they don't have unlimited budget and to use that effectively, they base their buying decisions to counter what the enemy can/will throw at them. I think this gives an edge as PAF always buys specific equipment to counter the enemy's latest tech.

I have simply stopped taking anything seriously even if it is coming from Air Chiefs' mouths. They mislead and give false hope to the nation. The fact is, PAF has no plans whatsoever, she never had. PAF has always done impulsive shopping and almost always in reaction to IAF and that is something I never agree with. With this mindset (it is no strategy) we play by the rules set by our enemy instead of forcing our enemy to play by the rules we set. Like we have been hearing the PAF is watching if and when IAF is going to induct Rafale... what did PAF learn from learning that IAF was inducting Rafale or not? Is this not the fact that almost every fighter including F-35 is on offer to IAF and she can very well afford those too? PAF has to make up her mind, whatever platform she choses, she has to begin assimilating them in numbers and soon. I have been hearing arguments that we do not want J-10bs because we'd like to see the similar tech in JF-17 Blk-III. Aerodynamically, two machines are totally different, in payload, also different. I just don't understand how JF-17 blk-III will prove a replacement of J-10b. Anyway, for me PAF is a lost case. We should just be happy with whatever we have and pray to Allah that PAF is not put to challenge otherwise results wont be much different than they were during Kargil conflict.

That may be so, but I can bet that the "insider info" is not the full truth and even the top decision maker at this point in time has not decided anything. this looks like a "get feel and get info" visit, which then is analyzed in detail by a team of experts and then proposal submitted to Gov for approval and funds. Insider info at this stage is nothing more than a rumor. It is very logical for PAF to get an affordable 5th Gen fighter as its next big ticket item, which does not require any insider confirmation.

I don't know about other mods, but Horus is usually bang on the buck, since he does have insider info.