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"The Strategic culture of a nation is the product of a nation's history, geography and political culture," ...... Ken Booth.

I am not mired in history, it is just that I feel that 60 years of animosity can not be wiped away with 6 years of bonhomie. There is little in common between the US and India. The fact that both are democracies has not been enough for the US to stop consistently supporting dictatorial martial law leaderships in Pakistan with the sole purpose of propping up that country against India. Or for making overtures towards China when it suited them. Pakistanis today vouch for China. Where exactly was China when Pakistan fought the wars with India in '47, '65, '71 and '99? It was American support all the way. Even today, the Pakistanis have no better fighter than the F-16 block-52, despite all the J series fighters they are getting.
All I am saying is that the US has a lot to do to prove its credentials in India. After all, we were a democracy even during Clinton's visit, weren't we? So what has changed? You can't blame us for remembering our history. After all India is a civilization which is more than 5000 years old.


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I said nothing of that kind. I simply said that if Iran were to go overtly nuclear today, it would be entirely justified. After all Israel developed its nuclear capabilities as it felt threatened. We did it as we felt threatened. So did the Pakistanis. So did the Chinese and the French and the Soviets and so on. So why not the Iranians?

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good lord I never read such off topic garbage in my life. basically you write saying India needs to be vigilant in its relationships--- no shzit sherlock - but then again ...
you even refused to acknowledge you said " How do you know Iran will nuke anyone? Iran has been threatened on many occasions by Israel, Saudi Arabia and most other Arab nations are hostile, so is Turkey. "
you want to hold grudges over 60 years then make sure Bengali babbu you show the same towards the Brits , infact more in their case- all the while sipping English tea daily ;).

your simplistic view of if XYZ feels threatened- then they should be allowed to go nuclear is so out of left field that I can't have a mature debate with you. I mean that one statement tells me you are very naive .... "OH look the taliban feel threatened . lets go ahead and allow them to have nukes!"
 
What he meant was that when and If we Indians united, foreigners had no leg to stand on. He is right. History reminds us of the battle of Plassey and the 1857 mutiny. He is right.

did you read his post- he calls for pak and china and india to unite- not " we indians united" --

your slippling bengali babbu..:)
 
good lord I never read such off topic garbage in my life.

Yeah right, Ken Booth is off topic garbage. Tell that to the US Naval War College, where he taught for many years and where they still consider him an authority enough to quote him in their research papers...

Your quaint 'Americanisms' amuse me. But I believe you can't help it , right? My ID gives away my identity. That is why, it is my ID. In this, you have an unfair advantage over me. We have a saying in my mother tongue which translates thus " Converts in any religion are more fanatic and more zealous than the original followers of the religion." I see your pro American stand in that light and hence can reconcile with the idea that ignorance and arrogance can and do coexist in today's world.

However, Taliban, which the US and the Pakistani military and intelligence apparatus had a substantial role in creating, does not equal Iran or Persia which is a civilization almost as old as India itself. If you can not see the difference then you have successfully transitioned into a true blooded American.

Anyway, like our neighbors to the west say, 'Shabba khair' and good night.
 
Yeah right, Ken Booth is off topic garbage. Tell that to the US Naval War College, where he taught for many years and where they still consider him an authority enough to quote him in their research papers...

Your quaint 'Americanisms' amuse me. But I believe you can't help it , right? My ID gives away my identity. That is why, it is my ID. In this, you have an unfair advantage over me. We have a saying in my mother tongue which translates thus " Converts in any religion are more fanatic and more zealous than the original followers of the religion." I see your pro American stand in that light and hence can reconcile with the idea that ignorance and arrogance can and do coexist in today's world.

However, Taliban, which the US and the Pakistani military and intelligence apparatus had a substantial role in creating, does not equal Iran or Persia which is a civilization almost as old as India itself. If you can not see the difference then you have successfully transitioned into a true blooded American.

Anyway, like our neighbors to the west say, 'Shabba khair' and good night.

your mother tongue , which happens to me mine too- they talk about some Bengali men and their ability to go off on a tangent because of falsely perceived intellectualism :P . it is also duely noted how India was held back for all these years because of Calcutta's affinity for communist and false sense of overt socialism. My pro american stance is based on their pro indian stance on this thread. your stance is based on some false sense of history that has been the reason for holding india back in the past decades... goodnight
 
here is the difference between a putz like you vs. I . I don't blindly subscribe to anything US or India like a teenager in heat over a girl . You boys are the kind that if your premier slaps your mother , you would call your mother lucky to have been touched by the great one... such blind devotion is classic brainwashing...

A house slave is one that gets to live in the residence of the master. These house slaves are only occasionally whipped and beaten, because they must appear healthy before the master, and serve the master. They are even frequently used to manage the field slaves, and take great pride in being house slaves.

The field slaves as well are constantly told by both the house slaves and the master that they're living in paradise, that their work is great, that they are better than free Africans because in Africa they would've starved to death.

British had many house slaves in India. They were used to manage the "lesser" Indians.
 
your mother tongue , which happens to me mine too- they talk about some Bengali men and their ability to go off on a tangent because of falsely perceived intellectualism :P . it is also duely noted how India was held back for all these years because of Calcutta's affinity for communist and false sense of overt socialism. My pro american stance is based on their pro indian stance on this thread. your stance is based on some false sense of history that has been the reason for holding india back in the past decades... goodnight

Couldn't wait to see your response.
Kolkata has stopped being a driving force in India's political destiny long ago. Actually, India is too big to be driven solely by the rarefied section of any one city or region. All the parts have to pull together, otherwise the nation flounders.

Yes, I agree with you that pseudo-socialism has been the bane of West Bengal which was like a shining star all though India's freedom struggle, the period preceding it and the period that followed immediately after independence. However that decline has been limited only to the state. India has moved on. I hope WB can follow and catchup one day.

I am not a socialist by any stretch of imagination, (I might have been at age 15). However, that does not imply that I condone the version of rampant and uncontrolled capitalism that your adopted motherland espouses. Let us leave it at that.

I have a policy which I have adhered to for the last 25 years. Any man who speaks my language can do or say no wrong. I will therefore oppose your views no longer. Let us beg to differ.
 
It was good to see how many people lack basic comprehension of the English language.

read the article again.. it is the Aus pm who wants to discuss and get the US to invest more assets- he is pushing it because AUS wants US to invest more military in that region , since they don't spend much on it.

US policy shows no concern on India, as evident of it opening up India to previously banned technology and the tons and tons of cooperation it has has w/ india and in many fields.

What more does the US need to give India to show otherwise?

Pak and Chinese will always sell you their propaganda to make sure you don't get close to the US, my fellow Indians. how many times will you keep falling for it?

But carry on...

I believe India should draw closer to US. It would be suicidal for India to reject US and become partners with China. India would become another Tibet if it pursues friendship with the communist China. How do you say comrade in Hindi?
 
I hope you wrote that just to please the Chinese trolls in here, because in your myopic analysis you forgot the fact that India was never attacked by the US - even when India was an outright enemy! But was surely attacked by China - right after Indians thought we were friends.

Even if it is true that the US, for its own benefits, wants to help India counter China, then what is wrong with that? India is not able to counter China on its own. What you are suggesting will ultimately lead to India becoming China's proxy.

Totally agree with you. India would become another Tibet if its not careful enough. The best policy of India would be to open up its military bases for the USN and USAF. India should offer up to host the headquarter of the 6th fleet.
 
Australians are nothing but trash racists that thinks Asians are inferior than Whites/Europeans. Well, sorry, Aussies, the 21st century is the Asian Century and Aus have to learn to live with it after all each of China, Japan, and India's economy is larger than Aus's pathetic economy.:tongue:

This is not fair as Australia has less than 30Mil people. Even Australia's per capita income is higher than that of Japan.
 
Number killed by US nuclear weapons: 100,000
Number killed by Iranian nuclear weapons: 0

Iran is a far more responsible nuclear power than the US. The US will use and does use nuclear weapons against anyone that cannot retaliate. It will never use nuclear weapons against a country that can nuke it back.

You are the sickest traitor I've ever met. I bet if US nuked India in 1973 you'd be happy :tdown:

The US used the nukes to save many GI's life. After Okinawa, US barely have sufficient manpower for the invasion of Japan so the atom bomb was pretty much the only option
 
no body is ally , everything is national interest

That's the whole purpose of an alliance. An alliance is formed between two countries or more to benefit each countries national interest. Did you only just work that out lol?

GDP per capita IMF 2010

Australia 39,692
Japan 33,828
Malaysia 14,603
China, People's Republic of 7,518
India 3,290

Yea us aussies are really poor :coffee:

I was going to respond to his post with the same thing, but he is clearly a jealous Anti-Australian troll, so i didn't bother :)
 
i was searching about multi -cultural Australia ,guess what i found.

To get the same number of interviews as an applicant with an Anglo-Saxon name, a Chinese applicant must submit 68% more applications, a Middle Eastern applicant must submit 64% more applications, an Indigenous applicant must submit 35% more applications, and an Italian applicant must submit 12% more applications.

Three out of four Indigenous Australians experience racism in their everyday lives

Racist, backward: Sol's parting shot
http://www.theage.com.au/business/racist-backward-sols-parting-shot-20090526-bl3p.html


Controversial former Telstra chief Sol Trujillo has taken a swipe at Australia, describing the nation he called home for four years as racist, backward and like "stepping back in time".

Asked in a BBC interview whether there was racism in Australia, Mr Trujillo said: "I think it was evident in a lot of ways with me personally but more importantly with others."

His comments have shocked some, including the head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Australia.

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Sol Trujillo felt like 'stepping back in time' in Australia.
"I was quite flabbergasted to hear his comments," said the chamber's chief executive, Charles Blunt. "And I was quite shocked."

And Victorian Premier John Brumby said the comments appeared to be nothing more than sour grapes.


"I don't know what he's talking about, frankly," he said.

'Step back in time'


Mr Trujillo, who earned millions at the helm of the one-time taxpayer-owned telecommunications giant, cited what he described as "restrictive" historical immigration policies and "events over the past five or 10 years" that the report did not specify.

"I would say that Australia definitely is different [from] the US. In many ways it was like stepping back in time," he said in the interview, which was broadcast in part by ABC Radio this morning.

He said he was sure that would continue.

"But my point is that [racism] does exist and it's got to change because the world is full of a lot of people and most economies have to take advantage - including Australia - of a diverse set of people.

"If there is a belief that only a certain people are acceptable versus others, that is a sad state."

Mr Trujillo's tenure at Telstra was characterised by controversy, including a scuffle with the Federal Government over the national broadband network and a sharp fall in the share price of the widely owned stock.

Mexican references


When Mr Trujillo's resignation was announced recently, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd gave this simple response: "Adios.''

Mr Trujillo has described Mr Rudd's use of the term as racist.


During his time at Telstra, American-born Mr Trujillo, who has Mexican heritage, was often portrayed as Mexican. He was referred to as one of the "three amigos" running Telstra and his battles with governments were sometimes referred to as Mexican stand-offs.

Opposition communications spokesman Nick Minchin today said Mr Rudd's use of the term was inappropriate.

"The regular references, by a variety of commentators, to Mr Trujillo's Mexican background during his tenure in Australia were quite rude and uncalled for,'' Senator Minchin said.


"In particular, the Prime Minister's 'adios' remark upon Mr Trujillo's departure was contemptuous, rude, sneering and entirely inappropriate for an Australian prime minister and former diplomat.''

'Multicultural capital'


Mr Brumby said Mr Trujillo had been welcomed to Australia. "He's an example, he came here from overseas and he had a great job, he was awarded that job, there was no discrimination or prejudice against him ...


"I couldn't agree with his comments at all. Our country is the multicultural capital of the world. In our state we've got 44 per cent of our population born overseas, or one of their parents overseas. We are the land of opportunity."

Mr Blunt said he thought the "culture of Australian society and business is quite open and accepting of new ideas".

"The whole country has a history of adopting foreign ideas from overseas readily ... The only qualification is that they have to prove themselves to be good ideas."

Other business groups contacted by BusinessDay declined to comment on the controversial issue today.

Jack Passaris, chairman of Ethnic Communities' Council of NSW, said racism existed everywhere "but here in Australia, it's exactly the opposite".

"The majority of people have learned over the years to respect each other," he said. "We don't have any problem at all and I can say that with authority."

Strong laws


Stepan Kerkyasharian, president of the Anti-Discrimination Board of NSW said Mr Trujillo was wrong "because Australia has got some of the most progressive anti-discrimination laws in the world".

"Racism exists somewhat in every society," he said. "One measure is by the laws and regulations a country has. In Australia we have strong anti-racist and anti-discrimination laws."

Mr Kerkyasharian said he did not know what Mr Trujillo's motivations were in claiming Australia was racist.

"There is a general feeling in the Australian community that he probably had some sense of superiority. I cannot find any other reason he would make the kind of allegations he has made about Australia being racist," Mr Kerkyasharian said.


Mr Trujillo left Australia this month, weeks before his expected departure date on June 30.

"Many Australians have come up to me and they've apologised, because they're embarrassed by that kind of behaviour," Mr Trujillo told the BBC of some of the criticism he had received during his stay.

A spokeswoman for Mr Rudd told the ABC that Mr Trujillo's statements were ridiculous comments that would disappoint Australians who welcomed him to this country.
 
I believe India should draw closer to US. It would be suicidal for India to reject US and become partners with China. India would become another Tibet if it pursues friendship with the communist China. How do you say comrade in Hindi?

Why are you so urging to tell us that you are just another undercover CIA agent?
 
Couldn't wait to see your response.
Kolkata has stopped being a driving force in India's political destiny long ago. Actually, India is too big to be driven solely by the rarefied section of any one city or region. All the parts have to pull together, otherwise the nation flounders.

Yes, I agree with you that pseudo-socialism has been the bane of West Bengal which was like a shining star all though India's freedom struggle, the period preceding it and the period that followed immediately after independence. However that decline has been limited only to the state. India has moved on. I hope WB can follow and catchup one day.

I am not a socialist by any stretch of imagination, (I might have been at age 15). However, that does not imply that I condone the version of rampant and uncontrolled capitalism that your adopted motherland espouses. Let us leave it at that.

I have a policy which I have adhered to for the last 25 years. Any man who speaks my language can do or say no wrong. I will therefore oppose your views no longer. Let us beg to differ.

ohhh you killed me w/ kindness. there is reason why the women folk love us bengali men. cheers brother...
 
i was searching about multi -cultural Australia ,guess what i found.



Racist, backward: Sol's parting shot
Sol Trujillo's parting shot: racist backward



Controversial former Telstra chief Sol Trujillo has taken a swipe at Australia, describing the nation he called home for four years as racist, backward and like "stepping back in time".

Asked in a BBC interview whether there was racism in Australia, Mr Trujillo said: "I think it was evident in a lot of ways with me personally but more importantly with others."

His comments have shocked some, including the head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Australia.

Advertisement: Story continues below
Sol Trujillo felt like 'stepping back in time' in Australia.
"I was quite flabbergasted to hear his comments," said the chamber's chief executive, Charles Blunt. "And I was quite shocked."

And Victorian Premier John Brumby said the comments appeared to be nothing more than sour grapes.


"I don't know what he's talking about, frankly," he said.

'Step back in time'


Mr Trujillo, who earned millions at the helm of the one-time taxpayer-owned telecommunications giant, cited what he described as "restrictive" historical immigration policies and "events over the past five or 10 years" that the report did not specify.

"I would say that Australia definitely is different [from] the US. In many ways it was like stepping back in time," he said in the interview, which was broadcast in part by ABC Radio this morning.

He said he was sure that would continue.

"But my point is that [racism] does exist and it's got to change because the world is full of a lot of people and most economies have to take advantage - including Australia - of a diverse set of people.

"If there is a belief that only a certain people are acceptable versus others, that is a sad state."

Mr Trujillo's tenure at Telstra was characterised by controversy, including a scuffle with the Federal Government over the national broadband network and a sharp fall in the share price of the widely owned stock.

Mexican references


When Mr Trujillo's resignation was announced recently, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd gave this simple response: "Adios.''

Mr Trujillo has described Mr Rudd's use of the term as racist.


During his time at Telstra, American-born Mr Trujillo, who has Mexican heritage, was often portrayed as Mexican. He was referred to as one of the "three amigos" running Telstra and his battles with governments were sometimes referred to as Mexican stand-offs.

Opposition communications spokesman Nick Minchin today said Mr Rudd's use of the term was inappropriate.

"The regular references, by a variety of commentators, to Mr Trujillo's Mexican background during his tenure in Australia were quite rude and uncalled for,'' Senator Minchin said.


"In particular, the Prime Minister's 'adios' remark upon Mr Trujillo's departure was contemptuous, rude, sneering and entirely inappropriate for an Australian prime minister and former diplomat.''

'Multicultural capital'


Mr Brumby said Mr Trujillo had been welcomed to Australia. "He's an example, he came here from overseas and he had a great job, he was awarded that job, there was no discrimination or prejudice against him ...


"I couldn't agree with his comments at all. Our country is the multicultural capital of the world. In our state we've got 44 per cent of our population born overseas, or one of their parents overseas. We are the land of opportunity."

Mr Blunt said he thought the "culture of Australian society and business is quite open and accepting of new ideas".

"The whole country has a history of adopting foreign ideas from overseas readily ... The only qualification is that they have to prove themselves to be good ideas."

Other business groups contacted by BusinessDay declined to comment on the controversial issue today.

Jack Passaris, chairman of Ethnic Communities' Council of NSW, said racism existed everywhere "but here in Australia, it's exactly the opposite".

"The majority of people have learned over the years to respect each other," he said. "We don't have any problem at all and I can say that with authority."

Strong laws


Stepan Kerkyasharian, president of the Anti-Discrimination Board of NSW said Mr Trujillo was wrong "because Australia has got some of the most progressive anti-discrimination laws in the world".

"Racism exists somewhat in every society," he said. "One measure is by the laws and regulations a country has. In Australia we have strong anti-racist and anti-discrimination laws."

Mr Kerkyasharian said he did not know what Mr Trujillo's motivations were in claiming Australia was racist.

"There is a general feeling in the Australian community that he probably had some sense of superiority. I cannot find any other reason he would make the kind of allegations he has made about Australia being racist," Mr Kerkyasharian said.


Mr Trujillo left Australia this month, weeks before his expected departure date on June 30.

"Many Australians have come up to me and they've apologised, because they're embarrassed by that kind of behaviour," Mr Trujillo told the BBC of some of the criticism he had received during his stay.

A spokeswoman for Mr Rudd told the ABC that Mr Trujillo's statements were ridiculous comments that would disappoint Australians who welcomed him to this country.

Ridiculous media reports, and biased surveys is not a true representation of Australia.

As for the media report about some CEO claiming Australia is racist, he makes this claim because people said "adios amigo" to him, which is mexican for "goodbye friend"

Since when is people speaking your language, racist? What a ridiculous notion. The guy is ridiculous and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Anyway, this thread isn't about racism, please stay on topic or i will report this to the moderators.
 
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