Australia boat mishap:78 pakistanis died

[amidamaru]

i accept the case of genuine refugees, but the people who fall under greed category will not accpet the law of the land they are getting to and demand that a ISLAMIC law be imposed on the country that they enter seeking asylum.
Look at the case of UK and France where ISLAMIC people who are natives to that country demanding ISLAMIC law over that country.
As far as I know the rest of the people from other religion who migrate to a new country have 100% respected the law of the land that they have given them new homes and do try to co-exist with the natives of the land. but as far as MUSLIMS are concerned they deeply believe in a ISLAMIC law under shria or kaliphat and have the least respect for the land that gives them asylam.

this is true in a lot of cases, not all of them. they certainly think that by our way of life, they have an excuse to try and change our laws and way of life. this is because they have the FREEDOM too. once they are citizens they are given a big say in how the country works. so since they have this right, they go about trying to change things to how it suits them best, and australians cannot do a thing about it. what sucks the most is, majority of australians are against what they want, and get resentful, yet this minority seems to always get what it wants regardless, while the majority is told basically deal with it, get overt it...

 

[blackops]

Rip sad to see such things

 

[amidamaru]

with housing, its around $800 per fortnight and free medical also but all these people keep doing "cash in hand" jobs also. all these people are having no educational background and they simply can't earn more by doing a taxable job . and the same is true in case of those who come through refugee visa also, as, with doing an unskilled job of minimum pay around $20/hour, anyhow a total comes around $800/week for 40 hours and around half of it, $400/week you may get for doing nothing from Centrelink with free medical . while if you do a job, its cost travelling etc also so if you do an unskilled job then anyhow you remain in the limit of hardly $700 to $800 per week and all these people are either Labnese background as in case of Sydney, many white shiits also like of the Redfern/KingCross type areas, baby boomers/Single Mothers, or, these refugees background who came during Vietnam wars etc or the current afghan/Indonesian refugees, as they simply have no career/qualification. or, just go to Perth, all the 'owners' of Australia, the Aboriginals, just waiting for the centrelink fortnight payments and then a full phase drinks

one day a gentleman asked me that Indians would teach these 'black' aboriginals and i replied, "whether the whites of the old colonies like Redfern or aboriginal black or these refugees, they all are fed only until high qualified people are coming here, whether black or white, Indian or europeans."

like, if you have a look on the Baby Boomer whites, who just have more kids and maintain good life through the money they get for their kids from centrelink? or Single Mothers of 6-7 kids who just wait for the day they will get get welfare money as, their kids dont know their true father and western men 'generally' dont earn to feed kids, except those who are having business/properties etc.........

only high skilled workers are the future of Australia, not local unskilled whites or aboriginals or these refugees who dont even know english and have muslim background which threaten australia too. in Australia, even if I met those who call themselves 'engineers', hardly have 'Trade Certificates', which is itself good as compare to rest of common Australians. Australia wants only British unskilled workers or they don't want unskilled workers . and in case of 'low skilled' workers, they either want to have by their own Australians in Australia itself, or, generally Philippians get favor on it. have a look on the number of Philipeans in US/Canada/Australia, they are fit in number like India and China type very big countries




sir I tell you something in short, while working in my profession, I could share good time with political people and they simply accept that everyone has something good and bad, and no one is wrong on his political stand. and the only thing is, who may fulfill their political interests anyhow and who couldn't. "Power Excecise is the ending of all the politics, if it doesnt stop till a certain milestone." rest is rubbish

i dont know anyone on centrelink who gets $400 a week without A - having dependant kids, or B - have a disibility.

not all aboriginals sit back and wait for their paycheck so they can have "full phase drinks" as you put it. this is a stereotype. i know many aboriginals/koori who are upstanding citizens, work hard, are involved in the community, would help any person out who was in trouble.... a lot of koori do not even drink!!.

funny, you talk about lebanese of redfern..now whites of redfern etc...redfern was a notoriously aboriginal area lol

baby boomers.. do you have any idea what baby boomers are?? you seem to have heard this work and think, ohh, this is the people who pop out the most babies etc.... you twit... baby boomers refers to a specific generation of australians!!! ... baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 lol and are way too old to get centrelink based on how many kids they have!!, they were also harder workers then todays generation. you have then generation x, which was from 1967 until 1985 i think? then you have generation Y - 1986 - present. i would say 98% of kids know exactly who their father is! unlike you hello_10 who believes so and so is your father, but you better ask your mother who it really is

you talk about australians engineers barely having certificates LOL... australia has one of the best education systems in the WORLD, so if someone is a qualified engineer, he or she likely is better at, and knows more then people who get qualifications about engineering in other countries! in FACT a lof of our qualified people go overseas to work, because countries such as america, pays them more money then they would earn here (more funding too in some skilled jobs depending what they skilled in). a lot of our skilled people are poached... why?? because we have some of the best, and most intelligent individuals in the world who are highly sought after!.....and instead of sending australians to university etc which cost a lot of money, it is cheaper to get in second tier qualified people such as you, to come work in australia lol

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

i dont know anyone on centrelink who gets $400 a week without A - having dependant kids, or B - have a disibility.

not all aboriginals sit back and wait for their paycheck so they can have "full phase drinks" as you put it. this is a stereotype. i know many aboriginals/koori who are upstanding citizens, work hard, are involved in the community, would help any person out who was in trouble.... a lot of koori do not even drink!!.

funny, you talk about lebanese of redfern..now whites of redfern etc...redfern was a notoriously aboriginal area lol

baby boomers.. do you have any idea what baby boomers are?? you seem to have heard this work and think, ohh, this is the people who pop out the most babies etc.... you twit... baby boomers refers to a specific generation of australians!!! ... baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 lol and are way too old to get centrelink based on how many kids they have!!, they were also harder workers then todays generation. you have then generation x, which was from 1967 until 1985 i think? then you have generation Y - 1986 - present. i would say 98% of kids know exactly who their father is! unlike you hello_10 who believes so and so is your father, but you better ask your mother who it really is

you talk about australians engineers barely having certificates LOL... australia has one of the best education systems in the WORLD, so if someone is a qualified engineer, he or she likely is better at, and knows more then people who get qualifications about engineering in other countries! in FACT a lof of our qualified people go overseas to work, because countries such as america, pays them more money then they would earn here (more funding too in some skilled jobs depending what they skilled in). a lot of our skilled people are poached... why?? because we have some of the best, and most intelligent individuals in the world who are highly sought after!.....and instead of sending australians to university etc which cost a lot of money, it is cheaper to get in second tier qualified people such as you, to come work in australia lol

Dude, you have to admit that over here in Australia, Centrelink payments have spoiled a lot of people rotten to the point that young people are growing up with a strong sense of entitlement. I used to walk past a centrelink office near a shopping centre in Western Sydney and young healthy people are hanging around socialising in large groups as they line up.
I remember as a kid I got a $50 cheque from Bob Carr (state) government for school stuff at the beginning of the year and dam was I happy. These days kids regularly get large lump sum amounts (400+) from the Rudd (and later Gillard) government but it is never enough for them. People just lack frugality and live in excess, waste and obesity.

 

[amidamaru]

Dude, you have to admit that over here in Australia, Centrelink payments have spoiled a lot of people rotten to the point that young people are growing up with a strong sense of entitlement. I used to walk past a centrelink office near a shopping centre in Western Sydney and young healthy people are hanging around socialising in large groups as they line up.
I remember as a kid I got a $50 cheque from Bob Carr (state) government for school stuff at the beginning of the year and dam was I happy. These days kids regularly get large lump sum amounts (400+) from the Rudd (and later Gillard) government but it is never enough for them. People just lack frugality and live in excess, waste and obesity.

if people are studying, how else are they supposed to get money?? even then they do part time jobs at the same time, which lowers how much money centrelink pay them. it is no longer possible to survive and study at the same time unless your parents earn a lot of money and can support you, or you get paid off centrelink. ( even then centrelink money is not really enough to survive on) i mean what.. 200 - 300 a week?? rent for a UNIT is 200 a week, and that is for a crap unit too ...

sense of entitlement, yes i guess you are right, there is a sense of entitlement, but i think australians are the only ones who should be entitled to it, not people from overseas. i used to think about it a lot, i was on centrelink for a while, and the way i see it is, the government/society took away my right to live off the land, therefor it is obligated to let me live of the government/society.... i could just as easily live my life with no money, ill build my own place, hunt my own food, grow my own crops etc... but... i cant, why?? because it is illegal to hunt in most places, most people are not allowed to own a gun, a bow and arrow is a weapon and you can be jailed for walking around with it... walking pretty much anywhere you can be charged with trespassing, your either on private property or crown land... you are not allowed to build your own place it has to pass strict australian safety standard etc.... so really.. entitlement, yeh, we are entitled to it.

but i do see what your saying, a lot of people just do not want to work and are happy to sit on their ***** on the dole while they do cash in hand jobs on the side.... asians are especially bad for this... i do not see it as bad if australian does it, but if people come here from overseas and do it, i see it as far worse, and just another ingrate who takes advantage of our society.... and if ever i go on the dole , well, i payed enough taxes in my time to have many years on the dole, so it is not like i would be living off anyone elses taxes lol

 

[Hello_10]

i dont know anyone on centrelink who gets $400 a week without A - having dependant kids, or B - have a disibility.

not all aboriginals sit back and wait for their paycheck so they can have "full phase drinks" as you put it. this is a stereotype. i know many aboriginals/koori who are upstanding citizens, work hard, are involved in the community, would help any person out who was in trouble.... a lot of koori do not even drink!!.

funny, you talk about lebanese of redfern..now whites of redfern etc...redfern was a notoriously aboriginal area lol

baby boomers.. do you have any idea what baby boomers are?? you seem to have heard this work and think, ohh, this is the people who pop out the most babies etc.... you twit... baby boomers refers to a specific generation of australians!!! ... baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 lol and are way too old to get centrelink based on how many kids they have!!, they were also harder workers then todays generation. you have then generation x, which was from 1967 until 1985 i think? then you have generation Y - 1986 - present. i would say 98% of kids know exactly who their father is! unlike you hello_10 who believes so and so is your father, but you better ask your mother who it really is

you talk about australians engineers barely having certificates LOL... australia has one of the best education systems in the WORLD, so if someone is a qualified engineer, he or she likely is better at, and knows more then people who get qualifications about engineering in other countries! in FACT a lof of our qualified people go overseas to work, because countries such as america, pays them more money then they would earn here (more funding too in some skilled jobs depending what they skilled in). a lot of our skilled people are poached... why?? because we have some of the best, and most intelligent individuals in the world who are highly sought after!.....and instead of sending australians to university etc which cost a lot of money, it is cheaper to get in second tier qualified people such as you, to come work in australia lol

its because you know australia and I dont. my last post was not for you and from now onward dont reply my posts, thanks

(first read my last post carefully and then argue. you have put things up and down. I had few Lebanese friends in Lakemba and Auburn. my aboriginal friends in Perth. Redfern was close to my uni UTS, its a white area. I said, "Australian born engineers with TAFE/TRADE certificates only" etc etc. rest, did you ever been to centrelink? have citizenship? anyway, talk to others only from now and dont reply me, thanks, )

 

[Darth Vader]

to all indians stop trolling u all indians are freakin nuts those guys died dsnt matter they were sindhi pathan shia they were humans and they were pakistan so sht the FK UP

inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un ( R .I.p)

 

[Hello_10]

RIP to the dead, but why are people living their homes to live some where else where they know that they are not welcomed.

look, if you have a look on the Sydney Detention Centre itself, Afghan refugees generally suicide there but its very hard for them to get even refugee visa also while they came to Australia by boat, (similar to British settlars in 19th century), because its the NATO who bombed their home of Afghan? over 200,000 skilled professionals, business visas, including low skilled people, migrate to Australia every year but the Australian politicians are so mean that they cann't give space to hardly few thousand boat people who are in really need of that. first we have a common sense that all the attacks on the boats heading to Australian since 2008, were done by the Australian Navy itself, backed by British rulers. and at the same time, ........ see it as below what the Australian rulers do with these boat people if they reach the land of Australian luckly? they simply dont want these refugees.....

mainly in between 1.00min to 2.00min, six people commited suicide in Sydney Detention Centre during last 6 months............

 

[Hello_10]

it looks like these b@stards just scored 67 again

its hard to process asylum seekers in australia, as well as on offshore, but in the middle of sea its easier

67 asylum-seekers drown trying to reach Australia by boat
14 August 2012

group of 67 asylum-seekers trying to reach Australia by boat are feared to have drowned at sea, the government said today, as it prepared to re-open detention centres on the remote Pacific island of Nauru and in Papua New Guinea.

In the latest in a spate of similar incidents, the boat is believed to have gone missing after leaving Indonesia in late June or early July. “There is no evidence that those people have arrived in Australia,” said the Home Affairs Minister, Jason Clare. “So we now have very grave fears for the safety of those people.”

Julia Gillard’s Labor government has cited increasing asylum-seeker drownings as the reason for its decision to reinstate the internationally reviled “Pacific Solution” – a policy it had condemned for the last decade. Under the policy, which Labor scrapped in 2008, would-be refugees were deported to Nauru or the Papua New Guinea island of Manus to be processed, and often spent years in detention.

The Australian parliament today began debating amended laws that will allow asylum-seekers to be deported. With the conservative opposition – which invented the Pacific Solution in 2001 – supporting the government, the legislation is certain to succeed.

Ms Gillard said she expected to see asylum-seekers processed on Nauru and Papua New Guinea within a month, with advance teams to be sent out there as early as this Friday to assess the facilities. Asylum-seekers would be housed in tents and other temporary structures until the centres were up and running again.

The revival of the Pacific Solution – recommended this week by an independent panel set up to break a political deadlock – has been widely condemned by refugee and human rights groups. Rick Towle, regional representative of the UN’s refugee agency, today said he was concerned at the prospect of asylum-seekers spending years in detention.

More than 600 “boat people” are believed to have drowned since late 2009 while attempting to reach Australia in leaky boats. More than 90 died in two separate incidents in June. The voyage across the Indian Ocean from Indonesia – the main transit-point for asylum-seekers from the Middle East and Asia – is perilous, particularly in the crowded, often unseaworthy boats used by “people-smugglers”.

Mr Clare said customs officials had cross-checked the names of the 67 people missing against those of the hundreds of asylum-seekers who had arrived in recent weeks, but had failed to locate them.

67 asylum-seekers drown trying to reach Australia by boat - Australasia - World - The Independent

 

[xdrive]

Hello_10 is a notorious racist anti-Australian troll who goes into every thread about Australia trolling with false information and other nonsense. This is just another thread in a long line of threads created out of hatred (See his other thread where he said Australia should be invaded by Asia) Nothing he says can be taken seriously and theres no point responding to him, It will just encourage him to continue trolling with his delusions and false information.
The guy actually believes that he is some sort of big powerful person who is friends with vladimir putin, and that he is friends with Australian politicians. He is a nutcase

He is also a previously banned member too, and despite repeated requests to admins and mods, they will not do anything about him.

 

[Kevrai]

 

[Hello_10]

very true statement and also have a look on this news as below, its a clear threatening that if these people will come by boat, they have enough chances to get sink in water

Labor MP admits asylum policy 'very harsh'
25 NOV 2012,

Federal minister Tony Burke says changes to Labor's asylum seeker policy are "very harsh" but necessary to stop people risking their lives at sea.

Federal government minister Tony Burke says denying asylum seekers the right to have a job is "very harsh" but is a policy needed to stop people drowning at sea.

Labor last week announced more asylum seekers would be allowed into the community on "rolling" bridging visas but they will have no work rights and only limited accommodation and financial support.

Left faction chief Doug Cameron has warned the policy could create a social underclass.

But Mr Burke on Sunday said people smugglers had been selling the fact that even if asylum seekers weren't granted permanent visas they'd still get to work in Australia for a few years.

"That of itself has been a reason that people smugglers have been able to increase the number of people putting their lives at risk on the high seas," he told ABC TV.

"Yes it is tough (policy). It's very harsh, but I don't want to see a situation where we do anything that adds to the risk of people losing their lives.

"(Drownings) are exactly why we are here in this policy area."

Fairfax media reported on Sunday that 33 asylum seekers drowned on their way to Christmas Island last month after their boat sank in minutes.

The sole survivor, Habib Ullah, 22, spent three days in the water watching his fellow passengers from Afghanistan and Pakistan drown one by one.

Foreign Minister Bob Carr on Sunday said asylum seekers would continue to come to Australia because there were 40 million displaced people worldwide.

"You could change the government of Australia tomorrow and it would still be faced with this problem and we'd be working with the policy tools we've got," Senator Carr told Sky News.

"It ain't going to go away, because of the displacement of people throughout the world and the existence of the people-smuggling industry."

Senator Carr said the only way to bust that industry was off-shore processing, which sent a powerful message that even if asylum seekers reached Australian waters they weren't guaranteed resettlement.

Despite the difficulties, the public would continue to insist that governments keep trying to stop the boats, the foreign minister said.

The coalition wants asylum seekers released on bridging visas to be made to work for their welfare payments, like a work-for-the-dole scheme.

But Nationals Leader Warren Truss does not want those welfare payments - which would amount to around $30 a day - to be increased.

"The larger amount of money that's offered the greater the attraction will be to come to Australia," he told Network Ten on Sunday.

People who come to Australia "in the proper way" deserve proper support, he said.

"But to reward people who have come in here in an unauthorised way seems to me to be sending the wrong message."

He called the latest deaths at sea the "tragic face of a disastrous policy failure".

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison hopes to introduce a private members' bill into parliament this week to bring back temporary protection visas (TPVs).

They would only last until it was safe for people to return to their home country.

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young says there is no difference between Labor's bridging visas and TPVs.

"It's a race to the bottom on who can be the nastiest," she told reporters in Canberra.

"It is a furphy to even try and say they are different in any really means. They both damage people."

Labor MP admits asylum policy 'very harsh' | SBS World News