Aurat March Official Twitter Account Condemns PTM Vile, Racist & Profane Leader Ali Wazir's Arrest

[crankthatskunk]

marrium or nawaz ko jany diya or is pathan ko pakar ker band ker rahy hain .mera khayal hai is moty ne establishment ki wo kutoon wali nhi ki jo marrium or nazoo ne ki .

so he will be released and so others phir masla kis bat ka hai

You and @Areesh are saying same thing in different ways. That is my understanding.

You are saying that all those who violate Pakistan's Aisaas should be dealt with according to the laws and put behind bars.
In this regard you mentioned Maryam and Nawaz, they violate it more than Wazir. I agree to that.

I also agree that Maryam should be behind bars, she shouldn't be out of the jail. The excuse used to release her from jail was lame. Even the biggest democracies don't use such excuses. The judges who used that excuse should be removed from their posts.

Similarly, the excuses used to send Nawaz overseas were lame. He should still be behind bars. The judges who used the excuse "who can guarantee" NS life and those who granted him release and travel to the UK without any guarantees, should not be holding their posts either.

Pakistani state is very weak. I know in the UK any such violations would be dealt by the Police and perpetrators would be put behind bars immediately.

At the end of the day, it all comes to my often repeated sentence, "Pakistan men have no balls". Period.

 

[Dalit]

Some Pakistanis in their zeal to defame and subvert women's movements like Aurat March are not thinking that they are actually legitimizing self-hating and non-thinking women like from Jamia Hafsa.

This is what that burqa brigade did at that time :



Pakistanis should think if they want the Pakistan of Faiz Ahmed Faiz / Laal music band / Arooj Aurangzeb... or the Pakistan of Zia ul Haq / TTP / Lal Masjid.

Speaking against TTP without speaking vehemently against its base ideology is useless.

Members should read this post from 2011 by @pak-marine about how progressive / socialist Pakistanis in previous decades actively sought to fight back against the mullahs in an organized manner and even using arms, even during Zia's pro-West pro-mullah rule. Some Pakistanis need to get educated about their own country.

Stop confusing authentic movements with foreign funded farce.

 

[xyxmt]

So Ali Wazir is now officially a woman?

liking boys and looking like a londey baz doesn't make him a woman

 

[R Wing]

My point is that people like @Imran Khan are making false equivalence.

even Ali wazir would be released in next few days. It isn't like he is going to be hanged or something. He along with Manzoor Gashteen and Mohsin Dawar have been arrested before and released. They even went to Afghanistan and mocked Pakistan and its founding fathers. Nothing happened. They refused to accept Pakistan's border with Afghanistan. Nothing happened. Nothing would happen this time too

Just like Nawaz Sharif or Mayran Nawaz.

So why create a false equivalence and give a cover of mazloomiat to these scumbags?

Baath sahee hai.

 

[jamahir]

You Indians Muslims should stay the * out of Pakistani matters as you lot are absolutely clueless! We Pakistanis don't give a damn bout your opinion on what's happening in Pakistan ... so have a coke and a smile and shut the * up!

1. Don't Pakistani members of PDF comment on Indian matters ? Do I complain ?

2. You call me an Indian Muslim yet do not consider that Islam is a transnational, pan-human ideology, so why should I restrain myself from talking about matters in Muslim-majority countries or indeed anywhere ?

3. In post# 20 I linked a song called Inqalab by the Pakistani progressive music band Laal. The song mentions the millions of bonded laborers in all of South Asia. The song's Pakistani makers, performers and inspirers were / are socialists and didn't believe in limiting themselves to Pakistani issues only. Socialism and Communism again are transnational, pan-human ideologies. Communism seeks to create a single progressive, advanced and just political, social and economic system for all of humanity. Also in post# 20 I quote the thoughts of an early Indian modern Muslim socialist who compared the desires of Islam and Marxism and found them uniting. Read that particular thread, the OP is an article by Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha.

4. About Indian Muslims being clueless about Pakistani affairs, we and I, may not be intimately knowledgeable about Pakistani day-to-day things but I do know about some broad and defining things, like the socialist activism in Pakistan from decades ago that I linked in my very post you quote. Or PM Imran's misplaced priorities that I quoted also in post# 20.

Worry about yourselves first and don't come begging to us when RSS goons start your mass slaughter again!

Yes, I am worried and on PDF I actively counter the lies and disinfo of RSS-sympathist members on PDF. Offline, I have a systematic plan for the next ten years.

And at the moment I live in the Deccan where hopefully I won't soon see Delhi-style pogrom.

Stop confusing authentic movements with foreign funded farce.

Which authentic movements ?

hamara aik mota taaza pathan jail main para hai sally or tu apni backchodi phela raha hai . phly usko jail se nikalo amreeca ko baad main dekh leen gay

OK I found out that you were talking of Ali Wazir who seems to be a socialist activist. I found this article on him :

Ali Wazir was present there from the very first day. Ali Wazir is from Wana, South Waziristan. In last General elections, he got 8750 but the establishment manipulated the victory of right-wing PMLN candidate. People of Waziristan think that Ali was defeated due to his revolutionary and Socialist Ideology. On Monday 5th February, the Jirga Management assigned Ali a task to go to Waziristan and lead a Caravan from there.

 

[Verve]

1. Don't Pakistani members of PDF comment on Indian matters ? Do I complain ?

Do you have a right to complain! You should ask yourself that.

2. You call me an Indian Muslim yet do not consider that Islam is a transnational, pan-human ideology, so why should I restrain myself from talking about matters in Muslim-majority countries or indeed anywhere ?

Perhaps you need to put your muslim hat on when analysing matters!

You claim to know a lot about Aurat March - have you met and interacted with any of this type of Pakistani activists in your life? Not stepped a foot in Pakistan yet claim to know so much!

4. About Indian Muslims being clueless about Pakistani affairs, we and I, may not be intimately knowledgeable about Pakistani day-to-day things but I do know about some broad and defining things, like the socialist activism in Pakistan

 

[newb3e]

so when is lumber 1 arrest bilawal and maryam and achkzai?

 

[jamahir]

Do you have a right to complain! You should ask yourself that.

I don't want to complain because unlike you I don't mind Pakistanis, or any other nationalities, talking about Indian matters or of elsewhere.

But I am interested, why don't I have the right to complain, if I wanted to ? Are you from the management team ?

You claim to know a lot about Aurat March

I didn't claim to know everything but enough to understand that those women want to change the repressive components of Pakistani culture. Here's what was written Arooj Aurangzeb by a Pakistani woman journalist :

Arooj and several other students, who came together at the Faiz Festival in the run-up to the Student Solidarity March across Pakistan, gave hope in an otherwise murky political landscape. However, where there is hope, there is despair. First, they came for her leather jacket: only an elite and a liberal wearing a leather jacket could chant such slogans, they said. Then, another section had issues with her being a woman and singing on top of her voice – it only shows, they said, she doesn’t belong to this society, because good girls don’t shout and ask for azadi.

The way they want to challenge the status quo makes people jittery. The way they talk of freedom or revolution is considered treacherous. Speaking truth to power, unabashedly calling out the who’s who of the country should be no reason to disown them. Instead, they should be made heroes for exactly these reasons.

Through articles like this and through vids and pics I can understand what actions like Aurat March are about. Isn't this how people like in one country come to know of events in other countries ? And the sensible among them can analyze. The article above, written by a Pakistani, was published in an Indian news website.

have you met and interacted with any of this type of Pakistani activists in your life? Not stepped a foot in Pakistan yet claim to know so much!

Are Pakistani PDF members not allowing themselves to read and watch about Indian matters and posting their views here ? Have they ever stepped foot in India ? Have they even once met a Hindutavdi or an Indian progressive ? This is wrong logic.

Perhaps you need to put your muslim hat on when analysing matters!

What does that mean ?

 

[bahadur]

Some Pakistanis in their zeal to defame and subvert women's movements like Aurat March are not thinking that they are actually legitimizing self-hating and non-thinking women like from Jamia Hafsa.

This is what that burqa brigade did at that time :



Pakistanis should think if they want the Pakistan of Faiz Ahmed Faiz / Laal music band / Arooj Aurangzeb... or the Pakistan of Zia ul Haq / TTP / Lal Masjid.

Speaking against TTP without speaking vehemently against its base ideology is useless.

Members should read this post from 2011 by @pak-marine about how progressive / socialist Pakistanis in previous decades actively sought to fight back against the mullahs in an organized manner and even using arms, even during Zia's pro-West pro-mullah rule. Some Pakistanis need to get educated about their own country.

learning nothing from past mistakes.

 

[Verve]

I didn't claim to know everything but enough to understand that those women want to change the repressive components of Pakistani culture. Here's what was written Arooj Aurangzeb by a Pakistani woman journalist :
Through articles like this and through vids and pics I can understand what actions like Aurat March are about. Isn't this how people like in one country come to know of events in other countries ? And the sensible among them can analyze. The article above, written by a Pakistani, was published in an Indian news website.

Your understanding is unfortunately marred due to tunnel vision on this whole Aurat March fiasco. Broaden your scope and try to understand what exactly this demand for 'azadi' really is! Almost all of the women in this group/march are already very independent and 'azad'! It is this typical crowd found in private rave parties taking MDMA, speed, cocaine, guzzling down booze and changing sexual partners regularly - and this is in Pakistan! Had you moved around in these circles inside Pakistan, your understanding would have been quite different. Fortunately for us who live and have lived in Pakistan, we know them well!

Their demand is of a conservative majority to accept such behaviours and actions, and make all a cultural norm! Try to decipher that!

Are Pakistani PDF members not allowing themselves to read and watch about Indian matters and posting their views here ? Have they ever stepped foot in India ? Have they even once met a Hindutavdi or an Indian progressive ? This is wrong logic.

I have been to India and I have interacted with a lot of Muslim and Hindu Indians! Hindutva was my last neighbour in UK!

What does that mean ?

Demands of muslims (men and women) should be for the rights given in Islam. And Islam is not the sectarian man made versions majority of Pakistan and Indian muslims follow!

 

[jamahir]

Your understanding is unfortunately marred due to tunnel vision on this whole Aurat March fiasco. Broaden your scope and try to understand what exactly this demand for 'azadi' really is! Almost all of the women in this group/march are already very independent and 'azad'! It is this typical crowd found in private rave parties taking MDMA, speed, cocaine, guzzling down booze and changing sexual partners regularly - and this is in Pakistan! Had you moved around in these circles inside Pakistan, your understanding would have been quite different. Fortunately for us who live and have lived in Pakistan, we know them well!

Their demand is of a conservative majority to accept such behaviours and actions, and make all a cultural norm! Try to decipher that!

Sorry but your description of Aurat Marchers is similar to that used by a BJP leader against the progressive, Left students of JNU university in Delhi in 2016. He said :

Amidst the raging JNU row, a BJP MLA has stoked fresh controversy by alleging that the premier university is a hub of sex and drugs where over 3,000 used condoms and 2,000 liquor bottles are daily found.

Gyandev Ahuja, BJP MLA from Ramgarh in Rajasthan’s Alwar district, alleged that those studying in JNU were indulging in all these “illicit” activities.

“More than 10,000 butts of cigarettes and 4,000 pieces of beedis are found daily in the JNU campus. 50,000 big and small pieces of bones are left by those eating non-vegetarian food. They gorge on meat... these anti-nationals. 2,000 wrappers of chips and namkeen are found, as also 3,000 used condoms — the misdeeds they commit with our sisters and daughters there. And 500 used contraceptive injections are also found.”

Besides this, 2,000 liquor bottles as also over 3,000 beer cans and bottles are daily detected in the campus, he claimed. “Who drinks it? Takes a guess,” he said.

The BJP MLA went on to claim that “Students are mostly found taking drugs after 8 p.m. inside the campus. Those studying in JNU are not children, many are parents of even two children. They indulge in peace protests in the mornings and during the nights, they perform obscene dance,” he said during a protest march on Monday in Alwar attacking JNU students.

And why did he and his associates say this ? It was to sabotage and demonize these progressive students who voiced struggle slogans and agitated ( like the Aurat March women and men ) against the extremely capitalist and regressive socio-economic structure of India. The slogans were like :

​

Brahmanvad se azadi ( Freedom from Brahminical tyranny )​

Poonjivad se azadi ( Freedom from Capitalism )​

Jaativad se azadi ( Freedom from Hindu Casteist oppression )​

Bhukmari se azadi ( Freedom from hunger )​

Manuvad se azadi ( Freedom from the ideas of that anti-human, few-thousand-years-old Hinduvatdi work Manusmriti )​

​

Is this azadi slogan wrong ? That BJP leader was angry because these students were voicing against the anti-human, regressive and oppressive ideas that he and his associates promote and follow.

Similarly some people in Pakistan are angry with the azadi slogans of the Aurat Marchers because these women want azadi from some wrong things in Pakistani society. I found the below poster from that march. The keywords for the Google search to get this poster were "Aurat March obscene poster". What is obscene about it ? In fact it's a wonderful poster :

And then the rightmost poster in the below pic is also good because it speaks against the hypocrisy of some Pakistanis :

It may be that a tiny minority of these women attend rave parties like you described but most of these women simply want justice, harmony and real progress. Are they wrong in desiring this harmony ? In demonizing these women you should not join ranks with the anti-human mullahs like some in India joined hands with the anti-human Hindutvadis against the progressive students of JNU.

Please read again the demonization of Arooj Aurangzeb in Pakistan.

I have been to India and I have interacted with a lot of Muslim and Hindu Indians! Hindutva was my last neighbour in UK!

So that's your experience but that wasn't my point.

My point was I am not complaining about Pakistanis on PDF discussing matters in India or about India.

Demands of muslims (men and women) should be for the rights given in Islam.

Sure, like Muslim men and women should speak against the practice of honor killing which is not promoted in True Islam at all.

But Muslim men and women should also speak for Muslims to adopt modern progressive thought like land / estate and means of production to become socially owned, a Commons, instead of the Islamic system of those things remaining private. This will solve lot of unnecessary court cases and disagreements and even avoid violence.

And Islam is not the sectarian man made versions majority of Pakistan and Indian muslims follow!

Agreed.

 

[Areesh]

Sorry but your description of Aurat Marchers is similar to that used by a BJP leader against the progressive, Left students of JNU university in Delhi in 2016. He said :

And why did he and his associates say this ? It was to sabotage and demonize these progressive students who voiced struggle slogans against the extremely capitalist and regressive socio-economic structure of India. The slogans were like :

​

Brahmanvad se azadi ( Freedom from Brahminical tyranny )​

Poonjivad se azadi ( Freedom from Capitalism )​

Jaativad se azadi ( Freedom from Hindu Casteist oppression )​

Bhukmari se azadi ( Freedom from hunger )​

Manuvad se azadi ( Freedom from the ideas of that anti-human, few-thousand-years-old Hinduvatdi work Manusmriti )​

​

Is this azadi slogan wrong ? That BJP leader was angry because these students were voicing against the anti-human, regressive and oppressive ideas that he and his associates promote and follow.

Similarly some people in Pakistan are angry with the azadi slogans of the Aurat Marchers because these women want azadi from some wrong things in Pakistani society. I found the below poster from that march. The keywords for the Google search to get this poster were "Aurat March obscene poster". What is obscene about it ? In fact it's a wonderful poster :

And then the rightmost poster in the below pic is also good because it speaks against the hypocrisy of some Pakistanis :

It may be that a tiny minority of these women attend rave parties like you described but most of these women simply want justice, harmony and real progress. Are they wrong in desiring this harmony ? In demonizing these women you should not join ranks with the anti-human mullahs like some in India joined hands with the anti-human Hindutvadis against the progressive students of JNU.

Please read again the demonization of Arooj Aurangzeb in Pakistan.



So that's your experience but that wasn't my point.

My point was I am not complaining about Pakistanis on PDF discussing matters in India or about India.



Sure, like Muslim men and women should speak against the practice of honor killing which is not promoted in True Islam at all.

But Muslim men and women should also speak for Muslims to adopt modern progressive thought like land / estate and means of production to become socially owned, a Commons, instead of the Islamic system of those things remaining private. This will solve lot of unnecessary court cases and disagreements and even avoid violence.



Agreed.

Yaar someone ban this clown from my thread

Ajeeb idiot. Literally lives in his own bubble and then wants all of us to join him im that

One of the most delusional member on this forum. Even sanghis who thought their ancestors were traveling between planets 2000 years ago are less delusional than this guy. Muslims of India face an existential crisis but this delusional moron is lecturing them about burqa and beard

 

[jamahir]

Yaar someone ban this clown from my thread

I will say that to you the next time you enter Indian threads.

Ajeeb idiot. Literally lives in his own bubble and then wants all of us to join him im that

Go tell that to the Aurat Marchers who you are insulting.

One of the most delusional member on this forum. Even sanghis who thought their ancestors were traveling between planets 2000 years ago are less delusional than this guy.

Thus spake the "wise" Areesh.

Muslims of India face an existential crisis but this delusional moron is lecturing them about burqa and beard

And how would you give your "wisdom-full" advise to Indian Muslims ?

 

[Neurath]

Sorry but your description of Aurat Marchers is similar to that used by a BJP leader against the progressive, Left students of JNU university in Delhi in 2016. He said :

And why did he and his associates say this ? It was to sabotage and demonize these progressive students who voiced struggle slogans and agitated ( like the Aurat March women and men ) against the extremely capitalist and regressive socio-economic structure of India. The slogans were like :

​

Brahmanvad se azadi ( Freedom from Brahminical tyranny )​

Poonjivad se azadi ( Freedom from Capitalism )​

Jaativad se azadi ( Freedom from Hindu Casteist oppression )​

Bhukmari se azadi ( Freedom from hunger )​

Manuvad se azadi ( Freedom from the ideas of that anti-human, few-thousand-years-old Hinduvatdi work Manusmriti )​

​

Is this azadi slogan wrong ? That BJP leader was angry because these students were voicing against the anti-human, regressive and oppressive ideas that he and his associates promote and follow.

Similarly some people in Pakistan are angry with the azadi slogans of the Aurat Marchers because these women want azadi from some wrong things in Pakistani society. I found the below poster from that march. The keywords for the Google search to get this poster were "Aurat March obscene poster". What is obscene about it ? In fact it's a wonderful poster :

And then the rightmost poster in the below pic is also good because it speaks against the hypocrisy of some Pakistanis :

It may be that a tiny minority of these women attend rave parties like you described but most of these women simply want justice, harmony and real progress. Are they wrong in desiring this harmony ? In demonizing these women you should not join ranks with the anti-human mullahs like some in India joined hands with the anti-human Hindutvadis against the progressive students of JNU.

Please read again the demonization of Arooj Aurangzeb in Pakistan.



So that's your experience but that wasn't my point.

My point was I am not complaining about Pakistanis on PDF discussing matters in India or about India.



Sure, like Muslim men and women should speak against the practice of honor killing which is not promoted in True Islam at all.

But Muslim men and women should also speak for Muslims to adopt modern progressive thought like land / estate and means of production to become socially owned, a Commons, instead of the Islamic system of those things remaining private. This will solve lot of unnecessary court cases and disagreements and even avoid violence.



Agreed.

I've understood your point, and I'll tell you what the case actually is,

There's nothing wrong in speaking up for women's rights. Nobody will say anything about that. But the problem is when you have different objectives while hiding behind an agenda.
What does women rights have anything to do with Ali Wazir, a racist, ethnofacist who was arrested. Why the heck does Aurat March have anything to do with supporting him? At one side you say that capitalism bad, socialism good, equality good and then you sit here appreciating the Aurat March for supporting an absolute ethnofacist? That is where the hypocrisy is. Aurat March is okay if it demands for rights but not okay if it is getting involved in politics. It is just like BLM supporting the democrats when they brought up the laws decades ago that affect black people.

 

[Areesh]

I will say that to you the next time you enter Indian threads.

I would enter whatever thread I want to as long as I am not a delusional moron like you whose ideals are some dead dictators like qaddafi

Go tell that to the Aurat Marchers who you are insulting.

They are a fake and a fraud movement who literally don't add anything to solve actual issues faced by women of Pakistan. They are as useless for women as you and your ideology are for Indian Muslims

And how would you give your "wisdom-full" advise to Indian Muslims ?

My advise for them is to not to be as delusional as you are. That murderous mob outside your home won't care whether you are a socialist or not.