At Least 22 Reportedly Killed in Attack in Western China

[mike2000]

What about you stop occupying Turkestan?

lool How about Turkey give independence to its Kurds and stop accupying their lands and allowing ISIS to kill/suppress them while they watch at the border?

By the way watch out for ISIS, they want to also establish an islamic caliphate in Turkey. These jihadists know no boundaries bro. They will soon turn out to be a huge headache for Turkey in coming years, just like the Taliban/Mujahideen turned out for Pakistan.

Turkey Worried As ISIS Approaches, Wants US to Do More, NATO to Be Ready - Hit & Run : Reason.com

I have noticed most Muslims memebers here tend to think im anti Islam/Mulsim or whatever, im not, im just pointing out that we should not justify/look for excuses to justidy these scums called Jihdists/extremists carrying out their random acts of killing paaserbys, innocent civilians willingly. These people cant be defended no matter what.

If you want to justify their killings on being 'oppresed' then im sure all african countries should be fighting Jihad wars by now since their leaders ;oppresed' them, Latin americans countries should also be fighting Jihad since they have greviances against their government, Native indian minorites in the U.S/Australia should be fighting Jihad since they have been oppressed, Lower catse in India should be fighting Jihad since they are being oppressed by the upper catse etc etc etc etc So we should very careful to justify what such scums do, for this can also apply to our own country.

The hell even me as well, i have greviances against my government policies, guess i should take a knife/make a bomb and go chopped off random civilians/set off bombs in public places to make my point.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Lol, it doesn't help that China went ahead building a highway in a part of Kashmir (that we claim) despite our protests, connecting the affected region to Pakistan.

Ironic that Chinese blame "elements" in Pakistan now for this incident!

If what the Chinese are claiming is true (and that's a big 'if'), it is very likely that those "elements" would have taken this same highway!

 

[Azizam]

s own religious views on them.

And I wasn't talking about extremists/terrorists - I was referring to China's perceived persecution of her non-extremist/non-terrorist Muslim populace.

What kind of persecution are you talking about?

 

[mike2000]

What kind of persecution are you talking about?

Bro dont mind him, As i said there are people who will always justify what their 'brothers' did in the name of them being 'oppressed'. I guess the taliban and other Jihadists bombing pakistanis civilians and their fellow 'muslims brothers' must also be because the taliban/jihadists are being oppressed, so we should have sympathy for the taliban, since they only carry out such acts simply because they are being oppressed by the pakistanis government.. Poor them.

 

[Azizam]

Bro dont mind him, As i said there are people who will always justify what their 'brothers' did in the name of them being 'oppressed'. I guess the taliban and other Jihadists bombing pakistanis civilians and their fellow 'muslims brothers' must also be because the taliban/jihadists are being oppressed, so we should have sympathy for the taliban, since they only carry out such acts simply because they are being oppressed by the pakistanis government.. Poor them.

Those countries are actually too soft on them. I can't imagine how these people are always quick to justify terrorism in other countries but when terrorism comes to them, they start whining. Not only that, they start accusing other countries of funding terrorism inside their own borders with imaginary theories. Some of these people if not most carry around the taliban extremist mindset both in their country of origin and in abroad as well but they oppose the actual taliban. Screw logic.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

What kind of persecution are you talking about?

Normally I agree with you on the victim hood claimed by Islamists, but the topic at hand is different.

I think giving ethnic Uighur movement a religious colour was a malicious attempt by China in order to get international sympathy! From whatever I hear about this conflict, it appears an ethnic conflict rather than a religious in nature, primarily! For all we know, China might be deliberately giving it a religious dimension just because it suits them better to handle it internationally.

Remember, China is not a saint when it comes to denouncing Islamist terror groups when it suits their strategic goals!!! Pakistan-based JuD, a UN designated Islamic terrorist group, comes to mind. It was supported by China using its Veto right in the UN for its role in 2008 Mumbai terror where close to 200 people died!!!

 

[IndoUS]

RIP to the dead.

 

[mike2000]

I think we should all be careful and avoid branding Uighurs involved in this incident as terrorists! We don't know the ground situation there yet. The severe restrictions on Press of the Chinese communist regime also makes it difficult for outside world to get the ground reality for sure!

It would be very easy to brand Uighurs as terrorists but it could also be a genocide perpetrated by the Chinese state machinery on its dissenting ethnic minorities!!! We don't know that yet!

So I suggest we all wait for more details.

Bro im surprised that as an Indian you even say such a thing. Terrorism can never be justified no matter what/irregardless of the country.

In this regard, i can question India's own treatment of its own muslim minorities in Kashmir where you people have hundreds of thousands of military and paramilitary soldiers stationed there to prevent unrests and fight 'terrorists'. Moreover you people dont allow free access to journalist/press there either. And i red recently in a newspaper that according to official figures released in Jammu and Kashmir assembly, there were 3,400 disappearance cases and the conflict has left more than 50,000 people dead as of 2010(it must be higher since then). This came as shiock to me, since i never knew the situation there was so serious/severe, as i havent heard our media talking much about this. This is why i said you should be careful of what you support/Question, since this can also apply to your own country's situation(which seems to be even more worse). So people (i know pakistanis/Saudis do.lol) could also argue that this is a genocide perpetrated by the Indian state machinery on its dissenting ethnic minorities.lol

We should learn to keep our biased aside and condemn any such terrorists acts be it in India, China, U.K ,Turkey,or U.S etc.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Bro im surprised that as an Indian you even say such a thing. Terrorism can never be justified no matter what/irregardless of the country.
In this reagrd, i can question Indias own treatment of its own muslim minorities in Kashmir where you people have hundreds of thousands of military and paramilitary soldiers stationed there to prevent unrests and fight 'terrorists'. Moreover you people dont allow free access to journalist/press there either. And i red recently in a newspaper that according to official figures released in Jammu and Kashmir assembly, there were 3,400 disappearance cases and the conflict has left more than 50,000 people dead as of 2010(it must be higher since then). This came as shiock to me, since i never knew the situation there was so serious/severe, as i havent heard our media talking much about this. This is why i said you should be careful of what you support/Question, since this can also apply to your own country's situation(which seems to be even more worse). So people (i know pakistanis/Saudis do.lol) could also argue that this is a genocide perpetrated by the Indian state machinery on its dissenting ethnic minorities.lol

We should learn to keep our biased aside and condemn any such terrorists acts be it in India, China, U.K ,Turkey,or U.S etc.

Yes, even I thought terrorism should be fought with solidarity without consideration for geopolitics. But you know what? We Indians were wrong, we were plainly naive! China has taught us time and again that it is "ok" to support terrorism if it suits your needs -- just look up what they did in UN when it came to condemning Pakistan based terror. They have done it for decades by supporting their strategic partners in their mischief on Indian soil.

Regarding the rest of your post, frankly I am not interesting in answering. It's just too off topic.

Let's talk about Chinese today, shall we "bro"?

 

[Azizam]

Normally I agree with you on the victim hood claimed by Islamists, but the topic at hand is different.

I think giving ethnic Uighur movement a religious colour was a malicious attempt by China in order to get international sympathy! From whatever I hear about this conflict, it appears an ethnic conflict rather than a religious in nature, primarily! For all we know, China might be deliberately giving it a religious dimension just because it suits them better to handle it internationally.

Remember, China is not a saint when it comes to denouncing Islamist terror groups when it suits their strategic goals!!! Pakistan-based JuD, a UN designated Islamic terrorist group, comes to mind. It was supported by China using its Veto right in the UN for its role in 2008 Mumbai terror where close to 200 people died!!!

This comes as a result of your beef against China I guess.

As far as I remember this conflict as always been a religious one. Sure, there were ethnic elements that were involved. What's ironic is that this land is not belonged to them either. It was Tocharians who are the real natives of that land and they were invaded by Uighurs then their culture, language, religion and traditions were wiped out over a period of time so how can they claim ownership to a land that they themselves have invaded? Also I am sure Chinese culture itself suffered the most from the communist party than any other culture in China but nowadays the rules are not very strict and those minorities even have special rights that are not available to Chinese like having the right to have 2 babies etc. What these bunch of extremists doing is destroying their own standards of life and economy of their region. It's their own people who suffer most from their actions in the end of the day.

 

[mike2000]

This comes as a result of your beef against China I guess.

As far as I remember this conflict as always been a religious one. Sure, there were ethnic elements that were involved. What's ironic is that this land is not belonged to them either. It was Tocharians who are the real natives of that land and they were invaded by Uighurs then their culture, language, religion and traditions were wiped out over a period of time so how can they claim ownership to a land that they themselves have invaded? Also I am sure Chinese culture itself suffered the most from the communist party than any other culture in China but nowadays the rules are not very strict and those minorities even have special rights that are not available to Chinese like having the right to have 2 babies etc. What these bunch of extremists doing is destroying their own standards of life and economy of their region. It's their own people who suffer most from their actions in the end of the day.

Bro i said not to bother with people who justify such acts(though i understand as you said that he does so because of his beef with the Chinese, but thats another topic altogether).

 

[kadamba-warrior]

This comes as a result of your beef against China I guess.

As far as I remember this conflict as always been a religious one. Sure, there were ethnic elements that were involved. What's ironic is that this land is not belonged to them either. It was Tocharians who are the real natives of that land and they were invaded by Uighurs then their culture, language, religion and traditions were wiped out over a period of time so how can they claim ownership to a land that they themselves have invaded? Also I am sure Chinese culture itself suffered the most from the communist party than any other culture in China but nowadays the rules are not very strict and those minorities even have special rights that are not available to Chinese like having the right to have 2 babies etc. What these bunch of extremists doing is destroying their own standards of life and economy of their region. It's their own people who suffer most from their actions in the end of the day.

I agree with the first part ;-)

But what all I am saying is that we are dealing with an ethnic minority and we should be avoid declaring an open season against them. That would dwarf what was done to Yezidis in a different part of the world! Really tragic!

Even putting aside my love for China aside, we simply don't know for sure what's going on there! Don't you think?

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Bro i said not to bother with people who justify such acts(though i understand as you said that he does so because of his beef with the Chinese, but thats another topic altogether).

You have no arguments on why Chinese defended Pakistan based terror groups when they gleefully killed and maimed thousands of Indians?

Anyway, my arguments are not merely because I have anything against Chinese! It is also because the Chinese themselves made it difficult for others to know by severely restricting the press in that region. Neutral reports are hard to come by.

 

[TaiShang]

Political/politicized religion, in whatever form and under whatever name it may come, is a menace to humanity.

What renders a religion violent and oppressive (see, for example, @atatwolf 's country, Turkey and its terrorist-lover radical Islamist government) is politicization.

China will have to come up with a solution (coercive or consent-based) to literally annihilate the politicized form of Islam and, if required in the future, Christianity.

 

[xiaowen]

lool Seems the Chinese police are really poorly trained. They should send their police force to the U.S for training. Had this happened in the U.S, all those terrorists/attackers will have been gunned down by even just 1 police officer(You just have to see how well armed/trained they are). Even more so when the terrorists weren't even armed(guns/automaitic rifles etc)

在中国，少数民族是高种姓人。
In China, ethnic minorities is high caste people. ( Google Translate )



少数民族 欺凌 汉族警察
minority Bullying Han police. ( Google Translate )

对不起，我不懂英语。
I'm sorry, I do not understand English.

帮忙翻译？
Help translate?


　　作者：邪恶蘑菇
　　西方媒体每次提到新疆西藏都会试图给读者洗脑，他们受到压迫没有人权自由。
　　而事实是他们有牛羊肉补贴，有考试加分，犯罪罪减一等。生活在那边汉族只能忍气吞声，受到欺负也不能伸张。
　　每次闹事官僚都会有大把钞票送上。
　　中共宣传政策是个渣，民族政策更是个渣。




　　作者：芝麻开刀
　　中共无耻的民族政策必将导演前苏联的悲剧，严重牺牲国家主体的汉民族利益纵容维族和回族，就象前苏联严重牺牲俄罗斯利益一样。
　　看现在的新疆小偷，新疆卖糕点的土匪。共产党根本不管。
　　你打110 警察过来看下算给足你面子了，基本也不来。知道是维族人就不敢管。 据说维族杀人不用判死刑。司法系统的潜规则。



　　作者：tcbill123
　　理论基础是只要他是少数民族，又信仰宗教，特别是再戴个白色小帽子，那么他就有凌驾于法律之上的特权，谁敢管他，他能呼隆隆拉来一群人，人少的时候装可怜，人多的时候就下手！即使你是干部，你是地方政府，你是警察你又如何？什么都怕人多！人家能串联全国，还能里通外国！




　　作者：1gqg
　　政府对少数民族有多优待，相信大家都是清楚的——
　　计划生育，汉族多生一个要罚几十万，少数民族多生有奖励；
　　高考，少数民族可以加分，汉族完全无优待；
　　少数民族与汉族发生冲突，警察永远帮少数民族，理由是怕引起民族冲突。
　　少数民族还有各种稀奇古怪的补贴具体就不说了。。。。。。。
　　总的来说，目前汉族是低等民族，少数民族是高等民族。




作者：搜索非常
　　对社会贡献最大的汉族，却是中国最低等的民族



作者：银河列车99号
　　谁能折腾谁就是高等民族，谁老实谁就是低等民族。



作者：星际旅人 时间：2014-07-06 22:31:34
　　中国人受儒家思想影响太深，总是自觉不自觉的想把人搞出三六九等来，其实平等对待少数民族就是对他们的最大尊重。相信一开始少数民族本来也没想做中国的一等公民，只要能不被歧视，和汉族一样既享权利也尽义务就很满足，结果硬是被搞成特殊公民，还顺带弄出几个凌驾于其它民族之上的特殊民族，真是愚不可及、自作聪明，自己给自己挖坑......





作者：pitea
　　中共自建政时，就没有自己处理民族问题的理论，然后全盘照抄苏联，苏联的民族理论来自马大胡子，而马大胡子本人就是少数民族，他不管在德国还是在英国，都是少数民族，所以他那套民族理论本身就是偏向少数民族，强枝弱干的理论，实行这套理论的多民族国家基本上都崩盘了，中国是靠着汉人的绝对优势躲过一劫。
　　中共建政时的主要干部大都是实干派，理论水平低，当理论在实践中出现偏差时，他们干脆不要理论，敢于承担责任，从实际出发解决问题，所以马大胡子的错误理论还造不成太大的坏影响。到了胡乱帮时期，那畜生啥本事没有还自以为是，中国的民族问题自此开始日益严重。





作者：各种真相小虾虾
　　人为划分种族，并根据不同种族分别给与不同待遇，这种苏联式的民族政策迟早有破产的一天。




　　作者：虾爹
　　南斯拉夫和苏联都毁在错误的民族宗教政策上。压制迫害主体民族，国家没有了中坚力量和向心力。再外力干涉下土崩瓦解。
　　中国现在一定要尽快改正迫害歧视主体民族的极端错误的宗教民族和计生政策。




　　作者：大海HY
　　如此浅显道理百姓都看出来了，世界所有国家都强化主体民族地位，只有我国还强化对汉族歧视政策，遗祸子孙啊
　　二十年后或者国家政局有变，祸不远了，看看前苏联，



　　作者：孙百里
　　苏联、南斯拉夫，都被这个民族政策搞得离心离德。
　　歧视主体民族，和歧视少数民族一样，都是人为制造差异制造分裂。



　　作者：逗狗玩玩图个乐
　　无非是走苏联、南斯拉夫解体的路，还讨论啥。



　　作者：ruoswen
　　只有中国SB政府维护那群邪教利益，人家都没当中国是自己的国家。中国那些SB当权者学人家苏联，也不看看苏联的下场。有邪教徒的甘肃、河南、宁夏、河北、山东和云南，那些地方就不能宁静，到处拉帮结派的欺负不信教人。






作者：校国军
　　一等洋人，二等官，三等少民，四等汉。
　　少民吃肉给补贴，上大学加分，考公务员加分，找工作照顾，犯了罪两少一宽......
　　少民打了汉人，那是治安问题，汉人打了少民，那是民族问题，孰轻孰重你看着办......
　　少民可以带刀，汉人买把菜刀实名登记......
　　少民多生给补助，汉人的鸡巴给绑得死死的.....
　　结论：汉族无可争议是当今世界上最窝囊的主体民族，没有之一。





　　作者：新任马甲wyh

　　中国汉族如何丧失民族事务话语权的

　　解决民族问题应先从话语权入手。近年来在中国，每当发生一起与民族分裂势力有关的暴力恐怖事件之后，总是会出现一种呼声，要求反省和调整现有的民族政策，采用治本之策。然而，这类呼吁最后总是不了了之。当局的对策仍然不离老套的“软硬两手”的治标之策：要么严厉打击，要么经济安抚，跳不出宽严皆误的困局。

　　中国现有的民族理论、民族政策和民族自治体制，实际上是苏联模式的翻版，只是名称和细节不同而已。苏联的这套模式早已被证明是失败的。尽管多年来，不断有人对这一模式提出质疑，主张调整或彻底否定；然而要改变这一模式，却面临巨大的阻力。一方面，由于60年来的理论灌输和制度建设，这套系统在中国已经成为了一种年深日久的现存体制和官方思维定势，并被一些既得利益者和既得利益族群极力维护。另一方面，由于这一体制，导致几十年来在民族问题上，占人口绝大多数的主体族群，实际上是没有话语权的。

　　这样说，可能会使人感到万分惊奇。一直以来，国家的最高决策者都是来自主体族群，怎么能说没有话语权呢？

　　这是只看表面，而没有看到问题的深层。在中国，虽然具有最后拍板权的是最高决策者，但在民族问题上，具有话语权的，却是由自治区、国家民族事务委员会（民委）、民族院校和民族文化研究机构等构成的“有关部门”和“有关专家”。对当局而言，但凡要讨论民族问题，调整民族政策，第一步自然是按官方程序：请这些“有关部门”和“有关专家”提出建议或方案。由于区域利益相关、自身的少数族裔身份和被灌输的苏式民族理论教条，建言者最后拿出的建议或方案，凡涉及大政方针调整，无非总是“进一步完善民族区域自治制度”，“确保各个民族充分地行使当家作主权利”之类，即维持和强化现有模式。而凡是涉及恐怖暴力事件，则总是试图大事化小，并趁机要求经济安抚和政策倾斜，即维持和增加对某一族群的特殊照顾。

　　至于那些程序外的呼吁和建议，自然难被采纳。它们即便被摆到桌面上讨论，在“征求各方意见”时，也会被这些程序内的“相关方面”否决。显然，这种话语权威的存在，并不是因为其话语更正确，只不过是其拥有垄断性的程序优势罢了，对于那些老调重弹，常常是当局者茫然，而局外人习以为常，不去深究而已。譬如，每次发生暴力恐怖事件，人们总是可以听到“有关部门”和“有关专家”的那一套自相矛盾的说法：一方面是急忙声称与族群无关，并非民族问题。另一方面，一谈到解决办法，却又变成民族问题，与族群有关，需要增大对某一族群的经济安抚和政策倾斜。

　　少数族群垄断政策话语

　　本来，中国是一个多民族的国家，关于这个国家的民族事务，理应由组成这个国家的所有族群共同决定。然而，由于这种奇特的官方话语平台，在人员构成上，实际上是被出身少数族群的人员垄断。这就导致了一种扭曲的结果，即国家的民族事务机构本应是全民族的代言与协调机关，可是却成了为个别族群发声和为之争特殊待遇、争政策倾斜的部门。由于这种发声平台具有官方的、程序内的、职能的、权威的性质，于是，在这一平台之外的多数族群的声音，就成为一种“民间”情绪性发泄的“噪音”而被排除了。







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