Assad Can Stay, for Now: Kerry Accepts Russian Stance

[Falcon29]

I'm not asking whether there's a way to define it.

I highlighted the word "who". Who gives you or someone else the authority to define good Sunni leadership? See the problem?

You will always have multiple Islamist groups going at each other's throats and laying an entire country to waste for power - it's been like this since day 1 after Prophet (pbuh)'s death.

Learn to separate religion the state. It worked out well for Europeans. Arab society hasn't evolved to that point, yet.

The Prophet(SAW) gave us authority to do so. He outlined what qualities our leaders should have. And he told us not to separate church or state. European society has no relation to this topic. The people in the region reject dictatorship, Iranian imperialism and Israeli occupation and won't tolerate it. If Israeli's, Iranians, or regime supporters want to have a 'evolved' society of their own they are more than welcome to do so on a island somewhere in the world. They can't interfere in foreign nations.

As for modern day, there is no single leader who can qualify. Therefore it's about the platform for society. If you have very good ideas for society, you can apply them to Asia or Bangladesh and contribute to your society, nobody is stopping you.

 

[type93]

This means that turkey becomes increasingly isolated in the case of Syria

 

[flameboard]

Is anybody surprised? I said this was official US/regional position for the past three years. It's because US doesn't want religious people in power. Especially religious Sunni's who are self determined and consider interests of their people more important than foreign interests.

they seem to want Saudi in power pretty bad

 

[Madali]

while this is a welcome decision and the syrian government, armed forces and people would heartily applaud this, it seems that usa government has seen that russia defends syria from nato and usa government has also seen that the patriotic syrian people have defended syria for five complete years.

and all members and readers should ignore the laughable assertions of hazzy in post# 3.

however, the freedom-loving peoples of the world should initiate and sustain a campaign to indict in the "international criminal court" the main war-criminals and genociders responsible for the libya and syria wars - obomba, sarkozy, cameron, hollande, merkel, erdogan, whichever saudi king is at hand and hamad al-thani.

just like bush jr and bliar have been declared war-criminals in absentia for the iraq war, the above criminals/psychopaths must be declared.

every progressive state and movement should help the progressives in usa, britain, france, germany, italy, spain, greece and turkey to achieve power... this would be the first step to world peace and the progressive in those mentioned societies.

What some of the children of PDF don't understand is that in the world of politics, countries like USA change their strategies. They destroyed Syria, and now after 4 years that they realize that Assad is not falling, they will back away. But it doesn't mean they are Assad's friends. They have achieved their objective, Syria, as an axis of resistance, is weakened.

 

[T-Rex]

You will always have multiple Islamist groups going at each other's throats and laying an entire country to waste for power - it's been like this since day 1 after Prophet (pbuh)'s death.

I see only suckular goons like you doing whatever it takes to cling to power. The thuggish rule in Egypt, Syria, Bangladesh, Jordan, Morocco, Algeria testifies to that fact. On the other hand, when the suckulars won the election Tunisia the Islamists handed over power to them. Show one example of suckulars like you ever doing that.

Learn to separate religion from the state. It worked out well for Europeans. Arab society hasn't evolved to that point, yet.

Our Prophet(pbuh) didn't do that, why are we going to listen to a poodle like you?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Good Sunni leadership is one that closely resembles that of the Prophet(SAW), his family and companions. There really isn't a way to 'define' it. Are you asking me to list some qualifications? That said, what I can tell you is that governments that represent Muslims today are far from what our Prophet(SAW) told us to seek.

ISIS claims they are personification of your explanation.

 

[T-Rex]

ISIS claims they are personification of your explanation.

So many people claim so many things but that does not mean that pigs can fly, does it?

 

[Falcon29]

ISIS claims they are personification of your explanation.

Iranian leadership also does(not the Sunni part but the rest). What's your point? I don't base it off the rhetoric I hear. I base my preferences/observations on the actions and platforms of groups of people and they resemble Islamic ideology.

 

[Daneshmand]

Now wonder why Saudi announce overnight alliance...........interesting.

Interesting observation. PR move to soften the blow.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iranian leadership also does(not the Sunni part but the rest). What's your point? I don't base it off the rhetoric I hear. I base my preferences/observations on the actions and platforms of groups of people and they resemble Islamic ideology.

well as far as i can understand the Iranian leadership claims that when twelfth imam came then we have a government that closely resemble the one like holy prophet time.

 

[Daneshmand]

well as far as i can understand the Iranian leadership claims that when twelfth imam came then we have a government that closely resemble the one like holy prophet time.

In theological terms, Iran's government is a transitional government, a "temporary" one till the 12th Imam appears. It does not strive or aspires to be more than that.

 

[Falcon29]

well as far as i can understand the Iranian leadership claims that when twelfth imam came then we have a government that closely resemble the one like holy prophet time.

Yes and for people like me I consider that comedy. Iranian leadership serve/represent exclusively Iranian interests and not something Muslims identify with. Nor do we agree with Shia narrative on Islam. And then you it's very clear Iranian leadership is corrupt and rules with iron fist. Its' political decisions made are based off what Iranian officials deem important for the country. It is not based off Islam. So trying to make the case that Iran is Islamic government or is the government paving way for Islamic State(that will come at time of Mahdi) is laughable. Nobody takes it seriously unless you're brainwashed or biased towards your country. I am Sunni Muslim but I don't go around saying Saudi regime is Islamic regime which is working for arrival of Mahdi.

There is no such thing as 'hastening his arrival either'. Mahdi is just another religious figure. It does not make our duties non-existent. Whether a Prophet or savior are present or not, God's criteria of what we should seek in order to get his support is very clear and the key is in our hands. It's clear most of our people chose nationalism/secularism over God currently. The one's changing that are Sunni Islamist.

 

[Daneshmand]

Yes and for people like me I consider that comedy. Iranian leadership serve/represent exclusively Iranian interests and not something Muslims identify with. Nor do we agree with Shia narrative on Islam. And then you it's very clear Iranian leadership is corrupt and rules with iron fist. Its' political decisions made are based off what Iranian officials deem important for the country. It is not based off Islam. So trying to make the case that Iran is Islamic government or is the government paving way for Islamic State(that will come at time of Mahdi) is laughable. Nobody takes it seriously unless you're brainwashed or biased towards your country. I am Sunni Muslim but I don't go around saying Saudi regime is Islamic regime which is working for arrival of Mahdi.

There is no such thing as 'hastening his arrival either'. Mahdi is just another religious figure. It does not make our duties non-existent. Whether a Prophet or savior are present or not, God's criteria of what we should seek in order to get his support is very clear and the key is in our hands. It's clear most of our people chose nationalism/secularism over God currently. The one's changing that are Sunni Islamist.

You had said you are an infidel, so I do not understand why you are so deeply offended.

At any rate, it is not important. This theological solution was made so that Iran could move forward without being mired in a perpetual definition of "perfect Islamic" government. Something that has not happened in the past 13 centuries. It matters not if it looks like comedy to you. It was done for betterment of Iran.

This theological solution of Shia Islam allowed Iran to create a government that can function and slowly improve upon itself, solving an age old problem of Islamic lands, the problem of legitimacy of political authority.

Iran's government will continue to evolve and get better.

The same can not be said about other Muslim countries which have failed to provide solution to the question @Maira La raised above, namely: "Who gives you or someone else the authority to define good Sunni leadership?"

 

[Falcon29]

At any rate, it is not important. This theological solution was made so that Iran could move forward without being mired in a perpetual definition of "perfect Islamic" government. Something that has not happened in the past 13 centuries. It matters not if it looks like comedy to you. It was done for betterment of Iran.

Iran and Iranians can do whatever they want inside your country. Just don't try to assign leadership of Islam to yourselves without anybody's approval. Iran is advertising itself to the Muslim world as the righteous government for Muslims. That is laughable as I said.

Iran's government is dictatorial but permits secular lifestyle for its citizens so they don't rebel against them. In my opinion I don't believe Iranians or their leadership are religious. They however need to put on a religious outfit to try gaining any influence in the Arab world. Another reason why it's simply inaccurate to claim they represent Islam.

This theological solution of Shia Islam allowed Iran to create a government that can function and slowly improve upon itself, solving an age old problem of Islamic lands, the problem of legitimacy of political authority.

Your system is socialist, not based off Shia Islam. So attributing it's ability to 'function' to Shia Islam is laughable. Saudi Arabia is able to function as well and longer than you have. I'm sure me and you agree you won't attribute this to Sunni Islam.

Iran's government will continue to evolve and get better.

Internally I don't know , that doesn't concern me. But Iran's foreign policy is counterproductive and will increase in counter productivity as time goes by.

"Who gives you or someone else the authority to define good Sunni leadership?"

Prophet Mohammad(SAW) outlined everything to else. Islam is available, the will isn't. A good step would be for Iran to quit backstabbing Muslims in its imperialist quest every time a foreign force destabilizes the region. If it doesn't, then Iran will remain our enemy. And it will be dealt with, just like the local regimes and Israel.

You are someone who espouses a Persian Empire. So this isn't relevant to you anyway. You won't be involved in the process and don't need to worry about it.

 

[Daneshmand]

Iran and Iranians can do whatever they want inside your country. Just don't try to assign leadership of Islam to yourselves without anybody's approval. Iran is advertising itself to the Muslim world as the righteous government for Muslims. That is laughable as I said.

Iran's government is dictatorial but permits secular lifestyle for its citizens so they don't rebel against them. In my opinion I don't believe Iranians or their leadership are religious. They however need to put on a religious outfit to try gaining any influence in the Arab world. Another reason why it's simply inaccurate to claim they represent Islam.



Your system is socialist, not based off Shia Islam. So attributing it's ability to 'function' to Shia Islam is laughable. Saudi Arabia is able to function as well and longer than you have. I'm sure me and you agree you won't attribute this to Sunni Islam.



Internally I don't know , that doesn't concern me. But Iran's foreign policy is counterproductive and will increase in counter productivity as time goes by.



Prophet Mohammad(SAW) outlined everything to else. Islam is available, the will isn't. A good step would be for Iran to quit backstabbing Muslims in its imperialist quest every time a foreign force destabilizes the region. If it doesn't, then Iran will remain our enemy. And it will be dealt with, just like the local regimes and Israel.

You are someone who espouses a Persian Empire. So this isn't relevant to you anyway. You won't be involved in the process and don't need to worry about it.

Whatever. Despite you pronounced that you are not a Muslim anymore and that you have become infidel, it is quite clear that you just left Islam and still remain a steadfast Takfiri obsessed with Iran. Not withstanding the fact that you failed to provide any solution to the ultimate problem @Maira La raised. Rants do not make for a solution.

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By the way where is @500? US just announced that Assad can stay after 4 years of saying Assad must go.