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I can´t hear what you cry! Can you cry louder?
Last time when I checked the former Han´s teritory, it was much smaller than it is today. And Singapore as nation did not exist.


You don't know how silly you sound and no wonder my grandpa told me never argue with Viets, they can nag you to death with their repeated nonsenses.

The facts stand TODAY: China is a country so is Singapore and Vietnam occupies 18 island inside Philippines' EEZ. Gute Nacht
 
How can it be Chinese propaganda? Robert S. Ross is an American and his criticism is toward his government which has nothing to do with China.

I just don't know how Vietnam is going to settle with Philippines. Last time I looked Vietnam occupies 16 islands within the Filipino EEZ and 2 within the overlap EEZ of Philippines and Malaysia. Even as Vietnam is trying to divert all the attention toward China and Aquino, I hate to use the word, is dumb enough to go along but the honeymoon between you two is going to be over soon or later. Mark my word the fallout between you two is a matter of time because it's a marriage based on the convenience of timing.

Two mistakes over here: 1) Aquino is barking at the wrong tree and 2) both of you make the wrong alliances. Both of you should settle, separately, with China first. It's too late now so be prepared for the shyte to hit the fan with your alliances.

There's something that I just realized "IF" China back away from their claim on the SCS won't Vietnam & Philippines Headbutt on their Territorial dispute?

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There's something that I just realized "IF" China back away from their claim on the SCS won't Vietnam & Philippines Headbutt on their Territorial dispute?


As long as Vietnam claims the whole SCS I don't think China is going to back out and I believe that's one of the most important reason as to why China is so vocal on her claims - to deter any hegemony in the area which include the US and anyone else. Freedom of navigation in SCS sea is more important to China than other nations combined because more than half of her commercial sea route goes through here.

LOL I don't want to jinx anyone here but I think, soon or later, Aquino is going to realize he's sleeping with the wolf.:lol:
 
While you guys bitching like a bunch of girl having their period:flame: .A group of Corporations is planning to drill for oil in East Natuna. Now get back to the Topic!

Not only Indonesia, the oil and gas exploration activities of ASEAN countries around SCS that are still going on normally. But while Vietnam and the Philippines regularly harassed by Chinese ships, seems to Malaysia and Indonesia are still safe (because they are farer from China).

Among ASEAN countries, Indonesia is the most powerful. This makes the Chinese avoid Indonesia.
If Indonesia is in position such as Vietnam's or the Philippines', they will also have to stand up against the ridiculous claims of China as we are doing.

But if China successfully invade the waters of Vietnam and the Philippines, who can be sure it does not continue claiming on the waters of Indonesia?

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As long as Vietnam claims the whole SCS I don't think China is going to back out and I believe that's one of the most important reason as to why China is so vocal on her claims - to deter any hegemony in the area which include the US and anyone else. Freedom of navigation in SCS sea is more important to China than other nations combined because more than half of her commercial sea route goes through here.

LOL I don't want to jinx anyone here but I think, soon or later, Aquino is going to realize he's sleeping with the wolf.:lol:

Aquino is chinese in etnichity but he defend sovereignity of his country, don't like you chinese with singapore flag but troll here like brainwashed chinese mainland with lies.
 
Aquino is chinese in etnichity but he defend sovereignity of his country, don't like you chinese with singapore flag but troll here like brainwashed chinese mainland with lies.


Smarta$$ which sentence of mine is a lie?
 
Indeed it's a very good picture! Perhaps I'll save it for another day to post on some ASEAN government websites to show them there are greedy people out there who want them to fight for their ambitions.


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Do You Want To Fight This Greedy Man?
 
@ahfatzia,

I see you're babbling about 16 islands in Philippines EEZ and +2 Islands in PH and ML EEZ, which occupied by Vietnam.
You're wrong, We occupy most of islands of the archipelago, but today only remaining about over 40 islands and reefs in Spratly Islands.
We have come there from many centuries ago, peacefully, without any clash with the Filipinos, Malaysian or Chinese.
Chinese are the lastest people coming there, it was only in 1988, and by used of force to steal some corals from Vietnam.

Have you ever wondered why the Vietnamese occupy of over 40 islands, while your China did not occupy any island except some reefs which stolen from Vietnam in 1988? [And one island that Chiang Kai-shek had stolen from Vietnam in 1946 by advantage it was tasked "disarm of Japanese army"]

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Do you know why the archipelago called "Spratly Islands", the name of an island that is controlled by Vietnam, although it is not the largest island of the archipelago? Iam sure you dont know.
 
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Indeed it's a very good picture! Perhaps I'll save it for another day to post on some ASEAN government websites to show them there are greedy people out there who want them to fight for their ambitions.


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Do You Want To Fight This Greedy Man?

He do what ordinary Vietnamese do to protect sovereignty of his country. Islands belong to Vietnam from long time and we controlled it peacefully in the past until recent time when reported that gas and oil is available there.
 
Not only Indonesia, the oil and gas exploration activities of ASEAN countries around SCS that are still going on normally. But while Vietnam and the Philippines regularly harassed by Chinese ships, seems to Malaysia and Indonesia are still safe (because they are farer from China).

Among ASEAN countries, Indonesia is the most powerful. This makes the Chinese avoid Indonesia.
If Indonesia is in position such as Vietnam's or the Philippines', they will also have to stand up against the ridiculous claims of China as we are doing.

But if China successfully invade the waters of Vietnam and the Philippines, who can be sure it does not continue claiming on the waters of Indonesia?

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That's a Big "IF." The Issue with China should be solved between each member states & if possible, come to an agreement that can satisfy each claimants.
 
That's a Big "IF." The Issue with China should be solved between each member states & if possible, come to an agreement that can satisfy each claimants.

It reported that Base on invitation of Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam deputy foreign minister-level talks on the dispute over the South China Sea will hold on 12/12 at Manila.

Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia, Vi
 
Post-US world born in Phnom Penh
By Spengler


It is symptomatic of the national condition of the United States that the worst humiliation ever suffered by it as a nation, and by a US president personally, passed almost without comment last week. I refer to the November 20 announcement at a summit meeting in Phnom Penh that 15 Asian nations, comprising half the world's population, would form a Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership excluding the United States.

President Barack Obama attended the summit to sell a US-based Trans-Pacific Partnership excluding China. He didn't. The American led-partnership became a party to which no-one came.

Instead, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, plus China, India, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, will form a club and leave out the United States. As 3 billion Asians become prosperous, interest fades in the prospective contribution of 300 million Americans - especially when those Americans decline to take risks on new technologies. America's great economic strength, namely its capacity to innovate, exists mainly in memory four years after the 2008 economic crisis.

A minor issue in the election campaign, the Trans-Pacific Partnership initiative was the object of enormous hype on the policy circuit. Salon.com enthused on October 23,

This agreement is a core part of the "Asia pivot" that has occupied the activities of think tanks and policymakers in Washington but remained hidden by the tinsel and confetti of the election. But more than any other policy, the trends the TPP represents could restructure American foreign relations, and potentially the economy itself.

As it happened, this grand, game-changing vision mattered only to the sad, strange people who concoct policy in the bowels of the Obama administration. America's relative importance is fading.

To put these matters in context: the exports of Asian countries have risen more than 20% from their peak before the 2008 economic crisis, while Europe's exports have fallen by more than 20%. American exports have risen marginally (by about 4%) from their pre-2008 peak.

Exhibit 1: Asian, European and US exports
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China's exports to Asia, meanwhile, have jumped 50% since their pre-crisis peak, while exports to the United States have risen by about 15%. At US$90 billion, Chinese exports to Asia are three times the country's exports to the United States.

After months and dire (and entirely wrong) predictions that China's economy faces a hard landing, it is evident that China will have no hard landing, nor indeed any landing at all. Domestic consumption as well as exports to Asia are both running nearly 20% ahead of last year's levels, compensating for weakness in certain export markets and the construction sector. Exports to the moribund American economy are stagnant.

Exhibit 2: China's exports to Asia vs USA
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in 2002, China imported five times as much from Asia as it did from the United States. Now it imports 10 times as much from Asia as from the US.

Exhibit 3: Chinese imports from the US and Asia
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Following the trade patterns, Asian currencies began trading more closely with China's renminbi than with the American dollar. Arvind Subramanian and Martin Kessler wrote in an October 2012 study for the Peterson Institute:

A country's rise to economic dominance tends to be accompanied by its currency becoming a reference point, with other currencies tracking it implicitly or explicitly. For a sample comprising emerging market economies, we show that in the last two years, the renminbi (RMB/yuan) has increasingly become a reference currency which we define as one which exhibits a high degree of co-movement (CMC) with other currencies.

In East Asia, there is already a RMB bloc, because the RMB has become the dominant reference currency, eclipsing the dollar, which is a historic development. In this region, 7 currencies out of 10 co-move more closely with the RMB than with the dollar, with the average value of the CMC relative to the RMB being 40% greater than that for the dollar. We find that co-movements with a reference currency, especially for the RMB, are associated with trade integration.

We draw some lessons for the prospects for the RMB bloc to move beyond Asia based on a comparison of the RMB's situation today and that of the Japanese yen in the early 1990s. If trade were the sole driver, a more global RMB bloc could emerge by the mid-2030s but complementary reforms of the financial and external sector could considerably expedite the process.

All of this is well known and exhaustively discussed. The question is what, if anything, the United States will do about it.

Where does the United States have a competitive advantage? Apart from commercial aircraft, power-generating equipment, and agriculture, it has few areas of real industrial pre-eminence. Cheap natural gas helps low-value-added industries such as fertilizer, but the US is lagging in the industrial space.

Four years ago, when Francesco Sisci and I proposed a Sino-American monetary agreement as an anchor for trade integration, the US still dominated the nuclear power plant industry. With the sale of the Westinghouse nuclear power business to Toshiba, and Toshiba's joint ventures with China to build power plants locally, that advantage has evaporated.

The problem is that Americans have stopped investing in the sort of high-tech, high-value-added industries that produce the manufactures that Asia requires. Manufacturers' capital goods orders are 38% below the 1999 peak after taking inflation into account. And venture capital allocations for high-tech manufacturing have dried up.

Exhibit 4: Venture capital allocations for export-related industries collapse
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Exhibit 5: US capital goods orders nearly 40% below 1999 peak in real terms
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Without innovation and investment, all the trade agreements that the Washington policy circuit can devise won't help. Neither, it should be added, will an adjustment in exchange rates.

It is hard to fathom just what President Obama had in mind when he arrived in Asia bearing a Trans-Pacific Partnership designed to keep China out. What does the United States have to offer Asians?
It is borrowing $600 billion a year from the rest of the world to finance a $1.2 trillion government debt, most prominently from Japan (China has been a net seller of Treasury securities during the past year).
It is a taker of capital rather than a provider of capital.
It is a major import market but rapidly diminishing in relative importance as intra-Asian trade expands far more rapidly than trade with the United States.
And America's strength as an innovator and incubator of entrepreneurs has diminished drastically since the 2008 crisis, no thanks to the Obama administration, which imposed a steep task on start-up businesses in the form of its healthcare program.

Washington might want to pivot towards Asia. At Phnom Penh, though, Asian leaders in effect invited Obama to pivot the full 360 degrees and go home.

Asia Times Online :: Post-US world born in Phnom Penh
 
I'm sick and tired, which is not my normal self, of these posters keep saying they owned ALL these islands for a long long time. The fact remains Vietnam didn't proceed the occupancies until 1974 when everyone was busy trying to fix their economies.

Also name me one nation agrees that Vietnam owns all the islands in the SCS which are much closer to the Philippines and Malaysia by any measure. Self serving much?
 
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