As the U.S. steps back, Vietnamese wonder if China is taking control | Washington Post

[Martian2]

The long Washington Post article follows my short comment on the current China-Vietnam situation.
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As the U.S. steps back, Vietnamese wonder if China is taking control | The Washington Post

 

[Brainsucker]

Nobody except Chinese and Vietnamese governments know about the secret deal. So maybe it's not a total lost for Vietnam. Look at it, China seems also tone down their nine dash line, and according to Duterte, Pinoy's fishermen can fish in SCS again. Maybe China offer a better trade deal than a TPP? Who know. Plus, Vietnam still possess some of those Islands in Spratley. They're still de facto belong to Vietnam. So Vietnam doesn't lost anything except their ambitious claim to take all SCS.

The situation just come back to the status quo prior 2012.

 

[Daniel808]

Nobody except Chinese and Vietnamese governments know about the secret deal. So maybe it's not a total lost for Vietnam. Look at it, China seems also tone down their nine dash line, and according to Duterte, Pinoy's fishermen can fish in SCS again. Maybe China offer a better trade deal than a TPP? Who know. Plus, Vietnam still possess some of those Islands in Spratley. They're still de facto belong to Vietnam. So Vietnam doesn't lost anything except their ambitious claim to take all SCS.

The situation just come back to the status quo prior 2012.

Vietnamese know if there is second Johnson South reef war again today, they will Lost all of their posts in Spratly islands, and USA will not come to help them.

USA trying to avoid war with their near peer counterpart, for this case China. because if something bad happen between them (China and USA), US Officials know the effect will be Catasthropic for their homeland, that's why they will avoid war with near peer counterpart, like China and Russia.

That's why vietnamese trying to cozying up with China now, and for China itself they trying to buying time.
If the status quo in SCS can hold up for another 5 to 10 years, it will be a Huge advantages for China.
Imagine this, China's Navy in 2027 is not China's Navy in 2017, in that time China already have 5 or 6 Aircraft Carrier, maybe more under construction and also hundreds of Modern Cruiser, Destroyer, and Heavy Frigate, Chinese Military big reform is also Done.

Muricans is not Stupid, they know fighting China is Suicidal for them, they definetly don't want hundreds of thousand of their kids, father, and husbands Die in vain only to help little viet to fullfil their territory ambitions

Anyway, Thanks for another great thread from our brother @Martian2

 

[Brainsucker]

Vietnamese know if there is second Johnson South reef war again today, they will Lost all of their posts in Spratly islands, and USA will not come to help them.

USA trying to avoid war with their near peer counterpart, for this case China. because is something bad happen between them (China and USA), US Officials know the effect will be Catasthropic for their homeland, that's why they will avoid war with near peer counterpart, like China and Russia.

That's why vietnamese trying to cozying up with China now, and for China itself they trying to buying time.
If the status quo in SCS can hold up for another 5 to 10 years, it will be a Huge advantages for China.
Imagine this, China's Navy in 2027 is not China's Navy in 2017, in that time China already have 5 or 6 Aircraft Carrier, maybe more under construction and also hundreds of Modern Cruiser, Destroyer, and Heavy Frigate, Chinese Military big reform is also Done.

Muricans is not Stupid, they know fighting China is Suicidal for them, they definetly don't want hundreds of thousand of their kids, father, and husbands Die in vain only to help little viet to fullfil their territory ambitions

Nah, China was happy with the status quo until Aquino spark the whole drama in 2012. The whole Nine Dash Line matter was only serve as a stick to tell the Philippine and Vietnam to stand down.

But whatever it is, China won a diplomatic victory in here.

 

[Martian2]

The average person is unaware of the critical importance of GEOGRAPHY in warfare. Vietnam was able to outlast the United States during the US-Vietnam War.

Doesn't that mean Vietnam has a chance against China in a war? The answer is clearly "no." (see my posted reply below)
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[terranMarine]

No matter the tough language spewed by some fools here, be it the patriotic monkeys or the VN supporting Hindus. Reality check strikes hard as i have already mentioned many times VN was gonna kowtow to China and this piece of news from US once again proofs my point. VN betting on the only option to take on China is now witnessing the painful truth which is futile. But that does not deter some delusional members here from having high hopes by the recent US visit to VN. You could tell VN is desperate for support but if they are still betting on US, think again. If VN was that brave she would not have told the Spanish to stop drilling, as simple as that.

 

[Viet]

The average person is unaware of the critical importance of GEOGRAPHY in warfare. Vietnam was able to outlast the United States during the US-Vietnam War.

Doesn't that mean Vietnam has a chance against China in a war? The answer is clearly "no." (see my posted reply below)
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Chinese army has little chance in a land war. The numerous victories of VN over CN in the last 1,000 years are proof. nevertheless I am not saying we will win the next land war against the PLA. War is a complicated matter. War at sea is a different story. The picture is mixed. There are victories. There are also defeats for VN. It is for you not count VN as enemy because you have already too many from America, Japan, both Koreas, Taiwan, Singapore, India to Australia to name a few.

It is better if both VN/CN find a middle way to coexist and to prosper instead of heading to next fruitless confrontation and war. The world will thank the people of both countries.

Your comments in the Washington Post mean nothing. Besides, you should tell the audience you come from Taiwan and wish a war between VN/CN to happen, because should China go down the drain Taiwan can retake the mainland..

 

[Brainsucker]

Chinese army has little chance in a land war. The numerous victories of VN over CN in the last 1,000 years are proof. nevertheless I am not saying we will win the next land war against the PLA. War is a complicated matter. War at sea is a different story. The picture is mixed. There are victories. There are also defeats for VN. It is for you not count VN as enemy because you have already too many from America, Japan, both Koreas, Taiwan, Singapore, India to Australia to name a few.

It is better if both VN/CN find a middle way to coexist and to prosper instead of heading to next fruitless confrontation and war. The world will thank the people of both countries.

Your comments in the Washington Post mean nothing. Besides, you should tell the audience you come from Taiwan and wish a war between VN/CN to happen, because should China go down the drain Taiwan can retake the mainland..

Yes, jungle warfare in Vietnam is really hard for the invader. But think about it, even if you can drive those invaders out, you still lose. Because it is your country land that destroyed by the war. Maybe your pride said that Vietnam can endure it. Yes, but why? The best course of defense is not go to war from the first place. War destroy all those hard work that people built. If pleasuring China can safe those Vietnam posts in Spratley Islands, give Vietnam good business, and keep your country from war, it's already the best course to take. Unless of course, you have the capability to attack China and fight in their land.

 

[Brainsucker]

we don´t want war but if anyone wants war he/she gets it. the chinese clowns are mistaken if they think they can impress us with monkeys phrases and intimidation policy.

Well, I respect that.

 

[Viet]

Well, I respect that.

thanks. respect is a thing anyone can expect from other, but demanding respect from the chinese is too much. that is something they don´t know and never learn. the only thing they understand is the language of violence, the sound of cannons. we fought so many wars with the chinese, we are bored, but apparently they never get enough.

we once annihilated the entire chinese southern army in a preemptive strike in china mainland. they should not make the mistake, raging war against VN is risk-free and an one-side aggression.

 

[Brainsucker]

thanks. respect is a thing anyone can expect from other, but demanding respect from the chinese is too much. that is something they don´t know and never learn. the only thing they understand is the language of violence, the sound of cannons. we fought so many wars with the chinese, we are bored, but apparently they never get enough.

we once annihilated the entire chinese southern army in a preemptive strike in china mainland. they should not make the mistake, raging war against VN is risk-free and an one-side aggression.

Well, you can only give respect, not demand respect from others. I can respect you because I can see your reasoning although I don't agree with your point of view. But I understand you, and know why you think that way. Because I will have the same feeling when my country is in danger too. So I give my respect to you

 

[Viet]

Well, you can only give respect, not demand respect from others. I can respect you because I can see your reasoning although I don't agree with your point of view. But I understand you, and know why you think that way. Because I will have the same feeling when my country is in danger too. So I give my respect to you

respect or mutual respect is the most basic form of human communications. it is worthless to talk to anyone who shows no respect to you. we both can disagree on many things from economy to politics. not a problem at all. but to a clown like terramarine if I meet him in person, I will give him a fist in his face before I kick him to get him flying out of the window.

for the sake of peace in the region, Vietnam, Indonesia and Singapore should form a military alliance.

the chinese expect if they give five yuan to you, they have the rights to rape your sister and take your property. if you refuse they will call you "ungrateful southern monkey".

 

[nalan]

the chinese expect if they give five yuan to you, they have the rights to rape your sister and take your property. if you refuse they will call you "ungrateful southern monkey".

what monkey?the westerners not see chinese as monkey?


Personally scs could be a link or chain to related countries

Chinese army has little chance in a land war.

talk is cheap.if you're talking about to throwover your government,it's not China style.atleast there are not just two players.

 

[terranMarine]

It is for you not count VN as enemy because you have already too many from America, Japan, both Koreas, Taiwan, Singapore, India to Australia to name a few.

It is better if both VN/CN find a middle way to coexist and to prosper instead of heading to next fruitless confrontation and war. The world will thank the people of both countries.

Your comments in the Washington Post mean nothing. Besides, you should tell the audience you come from Taiwan and wish a war between VN/CN to happen, because should China go down the drain Taiwan can retake the mainland..

This comment reflects you are scared and you should be. Everybody knows DPRK and SK are not China's enemies. Taiwan? Really? I have not heard any Taiwanese making this bold statement only that they treat VN as enemy because of Taiping island. Singapore and Australia? As i mentioned earlier you and the slumdogs have something in common, LIES and Propaganda. You try so hard to tell it's better for China and VN to get along, VN can beat China in a land war. I know where you and those weak slumdogs got this inspiration from. "When you are weak, appear you are strong" but that's not how things work in this modern age.

VN is our little BIATCH, We tell you to stand you stand, we tell you to sit you sit. NOW KOWTOW IN FRONT OF THE DRAGON

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It is better if both VN/CN find a middle way to coexist and to prosper instead of heading to next fruitless confrontation and war. The world will thank the people of both countries.

The world doesn't really care. They will just say, oh another Vietnam War. Been there done that.

And who needs to go to war, when China has the VN government in our pocket. And why are they in our pocket, because they know they can't win a war against China, so they have decided to enrich themselves instead.