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Erdogan has good reason to invest in Indian Muslims: their support would boost his bid for leadership of the Muslim world. And as India's Hindu nationalist footprint strengthens, its Muslims may seek a powerful defender abroad


It is a matter of record that India's Muslim community is the target of determined efforts towards radicalization by Saudi Arabiaspreading its ultra-conservative Wahhabism and by Pakistani-sponsored jihadism.

Is Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan attempting to join them?

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An Indian Muslim family watches a procession to mark Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi or the birthday of Prophet Mohammed in New Delhi, India. Nov. 21, 2018Manish Swarup,AP
How credible are reports of alarming outreach activities directed by Erdogan among India's Muslims? To what extent does the Turkish president harbor ambitions to become the Muslim world's pre-eminent leader? And how does India fit in to this scenario?

What do I mean when I refer to Erdogan’s Caliphate ambitions? It is a project aimed at fulfilling Erdogan’s ambitions to seize the political leadership of the Muslim world legitimated by consciously assuming the mantle as successor of the glorious history of the Ottoman empire. It is both a religious power play, on the back of his Islamist political roots, and a foreign policy manoeuver bolstering Turkey's interests.



There are certainly signs that Erdogan seeks to call on the Ottoman imperial legacy to bolster his standing, justify his aggressive strategic posture in Mideast politics and to legitimate his increasingly authoritarian rule. Earlier this year he explicitly declared that the Republic of Turkey was "a continuation of the Ottoman Empire," inferring that as its leader, he was analogous to the Caliph.


'Pundits love to talk about “implacable historical confrontation” between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi. In reality it is the ideological gulf between Saudi Arabia and Turkey, not Iran, that is more deeply rooted. It is about the future of the Middle East.'


In any contest for leadership, Erdogan’s main obstacle would be Saudi Arabia. Indeed, Erdogan’s Saudi rivals have been quick to accuse him of trying to build a new "Ottoman caliphate."

That may sound somewhat conspiratorial to those used to seeing the wider Middle East principally as the locus of rivalry between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shi'a Iran. But that ignores centuries of Ottoman - Wahhabi/ al-Saud rivalry, a tension that spiked most recently in the wake of the Jamal Khashoggi murder.

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Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan studiously ignores Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ttthe G20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina November 30, 2018\ MARCOS BRINDICCI/ REUTERS
It was the Ottoman Turks who brought down the first Wahhabi empire in the early 19th century. One hundred years later, the treaty of Serves (1920) ended the caliphate, and Kemalist Turkey became a westernized secular-democracy. However, as is often the case with countries with a glorious imperial past, dreams of political resurrection and irrendentism die hard.

Despite Saudi Arabia being the "Guardian of the Holy Places" of Mecca and Medina, Erdogan’s bid for Muslim leadership has other factors in his favor. His potential popular support is less contaminated by accusations of collaboration with the United States. He is far less obsessed with the geostrategic threat of Iran, and with sectarian Shia-Sunni rivalries in general, and is already engaging with Iran and Qatar.

And despite Turkey’s descent towards becoming an elected dictatorship, its institutions of state are still far more embedded and robust than the non-existent democratic institutions of the Saudi absolute monarchy, which also makes it a more attractive model.

It should be noted that part of the discourse around a renewed Caliphate has become part of a dirty tricks and blame game between Erdogan and his public enemy number one, Fethullah Gulen.

Writing for the Gulen-associated "Turkish Minute," Abdullah Bozkurt suggests that Turkey's president has directed its diplomats to approach prominent clerics, businesspeople and politicians, pointing to specific extremist Islamic clerics such as Sheikh Salman Nadwi as a main conduit for establishing an Erdogan support base among Indian Muslims. Another anti-Erdogan writer, Aydogan Vatandas, suggests explicitly that the president’s real ambitions are to revive the institution of the caliphate by 2023.

One of the Ulema, Sheikh en-Nedvi form India, on behalf of 300 million Indian Muslims and all Muslim nations, asks People of Turkey to support Erdogan in the upcoming elections..







Indeed, Indian strategic experts tend to view Erdogan’s initiatives as targeting the influence of the Gulen movement (which focuses on faith-based Islamic education) and rule out the possibility of any larger geopolitical ambitions. But this seems to be a narrow and shortsighted view.

Erdogan has good reason to invest in Indian Muslims. Support from the world’s third largest Muslim population would be a welcome boost to Erdogan’s claim to be the modern-day leader of the Muslim world.

One vehicle set up by a close Erdogan aide appears to have a clear mission to spread the good news of the coming Turkish caliphate specifically among South Asian Muslims.

The South Asia Strategic Research Center (GASAM in Turkish) is a think-tank established by Ali Sahin, a Turkish Islamist who studied in Pakistan who now serves as deputy minister for European Affairs in Erdogan’s cabinet. GASAM organizes conferences to which it invites Muslim clerics, politicians and community leaders from South Asia, to export AKP’s Islamist ideology to Indian Muslims. Sheikh Nadwi’s son Yunus, currently studying in Turkey, is a regular panelist in the conferences organized by GASAM.

The links between Erdogan’s Islamist coterie and Indian clerics are long-standing but also deepening: a number of controversial Turkish Islamist clerics are regular visitors to India; one of them, Sardar Demirel, who was educated in Pakistan, visited Kolkata in 2016 to participate in a protest march against PM Modi’s Uniform Civil Code (a reform measure to bring Muslim divorce laws in line with India's secular laws).

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YouTube video of Muslim preacher Zakir Naik talk aimed at proselytizing India's Hindus. 2015YouTube screenshot
Concurrently, Turkey has extended a warm welcome to several extremist Indian Muslim preachers, such as Zakir Naik, called "the world's leading Salafi evangelist," notorious for inspiring one of the Islamist terrorists who perpetrated Bangladesh's worst terrorist attack - on a cafe in Dhaka in 2016, in which 24 people were killed; he is currently facing an arrest warrant in India.

Naik delivered a speech at TUGWA (an Islamist group run by Erdogan’s son Bilal) in 2017 and In his speech, available on YouTube with nearly 25,000 views, he declares that Erdogan is the only Muslim ruler who has the guts to support Islam openly: "O Muslim world, wake up…May [Erdogan] be the next ruler of the Muslim world."




Zakir Naik: 'May Erdogan be the next ruler of the Muslim world'
Turkish state media, especially international channels such as TRT World, have also been reaching out to Indian Muslims, by playing particularly on alleged Indian abuses in Kashmir, a hot button topic.

Turkey also funds NGOs for outreach among Indian Muslims, Muslim student exchange programs, and influence within madrasas and mosques – not yet on the scale of Erdogan’s initiatives with the Turkish diaspora in Germany and Austria and other EU states, but with the same intention: to ensure an equation between Muslim leadership and the personality of Erdogan.

Indeed, Erdogan’s victory in the presidential elections of June 2018 led to huge celebrations from Kerala to Kashmir. Kashmiri separatist leader Mirwaiz Umar Farookh was among the first to congratulate Erdogan.

How does Erdogan's strategy fit into the context of India -Turkey relations more generally?

After India’s independence, relations with Turkey were cold at worst, formal at best. Turkey, to India’s discomfort, always took positions on Kashmir that reflected its political proximity to Pakistan.

Turkey’s foreign policy, in recent years, favors Pakistan and China, India’s geopolitical rivals, and hostile to moves cementing a more prominent position for India in international institutions such as the UN Security Council and its long opposition to India joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group, which Ankara lifted only in 2016.




Erdogan’s visit to India in April 2017, and the cordial relations between Erdogan and Modi showcased on the sidelines of the recent G20 summit are evidence of some personal chemistry between the two leaders, as well as points of contact between their leadership styles.

However, Turkey’s unfavorable positions on key strategic issues for India remain a hurdle, as is India’s warm relations with Saudi Arabia: veteran Indian diplomat Rakesh Sood has noted, "opening a new page for India -Turkey relations clearly needs to wait for better times."

What is the likelihood that the Muslim community in India may be susceptible to Erdogan's charms?

Firstly, Turkey and the vast majority of India's Muslims, both non-Arab Muslim communities, both follow the same Hanafi school of Sunni Islam. That Hanafi school – in India, the Deobandi and Barelvi traditions –is a built-in advantage for Turkey over Saudi Arabia, whose far more alien Wahhabist Islam faces resistance from local Hanafi schools and India's indigenous Muslim culture.

Secondly, there's a tradition of reverence for the Ottoman caliphate. After the revolt of 1857, to escape British persecution, several Indian clerics sought, and were given, refuge in Ottoman territory. In 1919, Gandhi launched the Khilafat movement against the dismemberment of Caliphate by the British, with the massive support of Indian Muslims.

Thirdly, the culture and temperament of Indian Muslims are such that the brutal and extremist methods of an ISIS-style caliphate or Saudi-style Wahhabism has little traction, already proven by the fact that despite boasting the world’s third largest Muslim population, only 112 Indians have traveled abroad to join ISIS.

Ministers in the supposedly secular government openly display majoritarian supremacy. Every other minister is clad in saffron. Journalists and police officers touch the feet of these religious-political figures. And a bunch of Muslims can't pray in a park! Give me a break!

— Shehla Rashid (@Shehla_Rashid) December 26, 2018
U would be in a concentration camps if it would have been China..thanks ur stars for that

— Debasis Sahu (@debasis52) December 26, 2018
Turkey's moderate version of political Islam, with Erdogan as the leader figure, is more likely to be welcomed by Indian Muslims. As Erdogan ratchets up the authoritarian nature of his rule, owning ever more comfortably the nomenclature of "Sultan," his aspiration to be recognized beyond Turkey’s borders as a transnational leader of the Muslim world - a Caliph - expands.

And as the Hindu nationalist footprint strengthens in India, and Muslims feel increasingly threatened, they may seek a more powerful backer abroad to protect their interests, rights, security and identity.

Abhinav Pandya, a Cornell University graduate in public affairs, is a policy analyst specializing in counterterrorism, Indian foreign policy and Afghanistan-Pakistan geopolitics. He is currently researching Wahhabi radicalization in India and is a consultant with Vidya Bhawan, Udaipur. Twitter: @abhinavpandya



https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...-indian-muslims-to-crown-him-caliph-1.6786101
 
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It’s seems Pakistanis are not enough, a Turk is required for Hindustan.

@kahonapyarhai at it again with another over the top thread.
 
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Hindu Ummah (RSS) is helping Islamic Ummah to wake up. These two groups needs to get less religious and thus less hostile.
 
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@jamahir

Caliph Erdogan is coming for you.

Cheers, Doc

I think Erdogan has enough problems at home ( some home opposition to Ankara's participation in the Syria war ) to think of before thinking of being a new Khalifa.

Some years ago, there was a colleague in my computer institute, whose name was Jamal Abdul Nasser, that fine Egyptian president. There was the appeal then about progressiveness among Muslims.

From the 50's to the 90's there was one progressive leading figure or another among the Muslim peoples. Now that kind of leader is Bashar al-Assad but he is too remote for most Muslims to notice.

I don't think Erdogan has enough appeal even among right wing Muslims.

Hindu Ummah (RSS) is helping Islamic Ummah to wake up. These two groups needs to get less religious and thus less hostile.

Can you elaborate that ??
 
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Can you elaborate that ??
Didn't you know? These radicalised Hindus and RSS-BJP rule of India are two main reasons for uniting Muslims in India and elsewhere. What does these RSS types imagine? No one forgot Gujarat 2002 genocide as well as what's going on in India.
 
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It’s seems Pakistanis are not enough, a Turk is required for Hindustan.

We have Turco-Mongols in Pakistan. Have you forgotten about the Hazaras? One of them even became the CIC of the Pakistani military.
 
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I think Erdogan has enough problems at home ( some home opposition to Ankara's participation in the Syria war ) to think of before thinking of being a new Khalifa.

Some years ago, there was a colleague in my computer institute, whose name was Jamal Abdul Nasser, that fine Egyptian president. There was the appeal then about progressiveness among Muslims.

From the 50's to the 90's there was one progressive leading figure or another among the Muslim peoples. Now that kind of leader is Bashar al-Assad but he is too remote for most Muslims to notice.

I don't think Erdogan has enough appeal even among right wing Muslims.



Can you elaborate that ??

I'm just pulling your leg man.

An Islamist like him will be drawn and quartered before we allow him to corrupt our Muslims.

What do you feel about Owaisi?

200 million of you man. Even if 10% are educated, that's the population of Israel.

Why don't we see progressive Indian Muslim leaders in secular politics.

Why does it always have to be leading a mosque or a Muslim party?

Cheers, Doc
 
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What influence does Turkey have over India? Seriously?
 
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Turkey should stick to its refprms as liberal modern country rather than coming under fundamentalist influence of Erdogan. But there is a right wing shift in full swing all over the wrld from Japan, india, usa , Germany etc... I think in about 5-10 years time this shift to radicalism will shift back to leftist and liberal politics.
 
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200 million of you man. Even if 10% are educated, that's the population of Israel.

A lot of young Muslims have degrees, if that is what you mean by "educated", but sadly a significant percentage of the males are pulled by the Tableeghi Jamaat.

What do you feel about Owaisi?

I don't think we need a party specific to Muslims, a counterpart to the BJP.

The Owaisi brothers I think do not have much pull beyond Andhra/Telangana and Maharashtra. Most Muslims will vote for the Congress and the JD(S), RJD and SP.

Why don't we see progressive Indian Muslim leaders in secular politics.

There are a few progressives in the Congress ( the party itself is another matter ), the JD(S) and various socialist groups/movements in Bengal and Kerala.

For example, Shehla Rashid Shora and Umar Khalid.

Why does it always have to be leading a mosque or a Muslim party?

That's the times we live in. Religiosity across various ethnic groups in India.

What influence does Turkey have over India? Seriously?

In my experience, none.
 
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Erdogan has good reason to invest in Indian Muslims: their support would boost his bid for leadership of the Muslim world. And as India's Hindu nationalist footprint strengthens, its Muslims may seek a powerful defender abroad


It is a matter of record that India's Muslim community is the target of determined efforts towards radicalization by Saudi Arabiaspreading its ultra-conservative Wahhabism and by Pakistani-sponsored jihadism.

Is Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan attempting to join them?

1.6786112.2152957840.jpg

An Indian Muslim family watches a procession to mark Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi or the birthday of Prophet Mohammed in New Delhi, India. Nov. 21, 2018Manish Swarup,AP
How credible are reports of alarming outreach activities directed by Erdogan among India's Muslims? To what extent does the Turkish president harbor ambitions to become the Muslim world's pre-eminent leader? And how does India fit in to this scenario?

What do I mean when I refer to Erdogan’s Caliphate ambitions? It is a project aimed at fulfilling Erdogan’s ambitions to seize the political leadership of the Muslim world legitimated by consciously assuming the mantle as successor of the glorious history of the Ottoman empire. It is both a religious power play, on the back of his Islamist political roots, and a foreign policy manoeuver bolstering Turkey's interests.



There are certainly signs that Erdogan seeks to call on the Ottoman imperial legacy to bolster his standing, justify his aggressive strategic posture in Mideast politics and to legitimate his increasingly authoritarian rule. Earlier this year he explicitly declared that the Republic of Turkey was "a continuation of the Ottoman Empire," inferring that as its leader, he was analogous to the Caliph.


'Pundits love to talk about “implacable historical confrontation” between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi. In reality it is the ideological gulf between Saudi Arabia and Turkey, not Iran, that is more deeply rooted. It is about the future of the Middle East.'


In any contest for leadership, Erdogan’s main obstacle would be Saudi Arabia. Indeed, Erdogan’s Saudi rivals have been quick to accuse him of trying to build a new "Ottoman caliphate."

That may sound somewhat conspiratorial to those used to seeing the wider Middle East principally as the locus of rivalry between Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shi'a Iran. But that ignores centuries of Ottoman - Wahhabi/ al-Saud rivalry, a tension that spiked most recently in the wake of the Jamal Khashoggi murder.

1.6786116.1825000286.jpg

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan studiously ignores Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ttthe G20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina November 30, 2018\ MARCOS BRINDICCI/ REUTERS
It was the Ottoman Turks who brought down the first Wahhabi empire in the early 19th century. One hundred years later, the treaty of Serves (1920) ended the caliphate, and Kemalist Turkey became a westernized secular-democracy. However, as is often the case with countries with a glorious imperial past, dreams of political resurrection and irrendentism die hard.

Despite Saudi Arabia being the "Guardian of the Holy Places" of Mecca and Medina, Erdogan’s bid for Muslim leadership has other factors in his favor. His potential popular support is less contaminated by accusations of collaboration with the United States. He is far less obsessed with the geostrategic threat of Iran, and with sectarian Shia-Sunni rivalries in general, and is already engaging with Iran and Qatar.

And despite Turkey’s descent towards becoming an elected dictatorship, its institutions of state are still far more embedded and robust than the non-existent democratic institutions of the Saudi absolute monarchy, which also makes it a more attractive model.

It should be noted that part of the discourse around a renewed Caliphate has become part of a dirty tricks and blame game between Erdogan and his public enemy number one, Fethullah Gulen.

Writing for the Gulen-associated "Turkish Minute," Abdullah Bozkurt suggests that Turkey's president has directed its diplomats to approach prominent clerics, businesspeople and politicians, pointing to specific extremist Islamic clerics such as Sheikh Salman Nadwi as a main conduit for establishing an Erdogan support base among Indian Muslims. Another anti-Erdogan writer, Aydogan Vatandas, suggests explicitly that the president’s real ambitions are to revive the institution of the caliphate by 2023.

One of the Ulema, Sheikh en-Nedvi form India, on behalf of 300 million Indian Muslims and all Muslim nations, asks People of Turkey to support Erdogan in the upcoming elections..







Indeed, Indian strategic experts tend to view Erdogan’s initiatives as targeting the influence of the Gulen movement (which focuses on faith-based Islamic education) and rule out the possibility of any larger geopolitical ambitions. But this seems to be a narrow and shortsighted view.

Erdogan has good reason to invest in Indian Muslims. Support from the world’s third largest Muslim population would be a welcome boost to Erdogan’s claim to be the modern-day leader of the Muslim world.

One vehicle set up by a close Erdogan aide appears to have a clear mission to spread the good news of the coming Turkish caliphate specifically among South Asian Muslims.

The South Asia Strategic Research Center (GASAM in Turkish) is a think-tank established by Ali Sahin, a Turkish Islamist who studied in Pakistan who now serves as deputy minister for European Affairs in Erdogan’s cabinet. GASAM organizes conferences to which it invites Muslim clerics, politicians and community leaders from South Asia, to export AKP’s Islamist ideology to Indian Muslims. Sheikh Nadwi’s son Yunus, currently studying in Turkey, is a regular panelist in the conferences organized by GASAM.

The links between Erdogan’s Islamist coterie and Indian clerics are long-standing but also deepening: a number of controversial Turkish Islamist clerics are regular visitors to India; one of them, Sardar Demirel, who was educated in Pakistan, visited Kolkata in 2016 to participate in a protest march against PM Modi’s Uniform Civil Code (a reform measure to bring Muslim divorce laws in line with India's secular laws).

1.6786106.2962919114.png

YouTube video of Muslim preacher Zakir Naik talk aimed at proselytizing India's Hindus. 2015YouTube screenshot
Concurrently, Turkey has extended a warm welcome to several extremist Indian Muslim preachers, such as Zakir Naik, called "the world's leading Salafi evangelist," notorious for inspiring one of the Islamist terrorists who perpetrated Bangladesh's worst terrorist attack - on a cafe in Dhaka in 2016, in which 24 people were killed; he is currently facing an arrest warrant in India.

Naik delivered a speech at TUGWA (an Islamist group run by Erdogan’s son Bilal) in 2017 and In his speech, available on YouTube with nearly 25,000 views, he declares that Erdogan is the only Muslim ruler who has the guts to support Islam openly: "O Muslim world, wake up…May [Erdogan] be the next ruler of the Muslim world."




Zakir Naik: 'May Erdogan be the next ruler of the Muslim world'
Turkish state media, especially international channels such as TRT World, have also been reaching out to Indian Muslims, by playing particularly on alleged Indian abuses in Kashmir, a hot button topic.

Turkey also funds NGOs for outreach among Indian Muslims, Muslim student exchange programs, and influence within madrasas and mosques – not yet on the scale of Erdogan’s initiatives with the Turkish diaspora in Germany and Austria and other EU states, but with the same intention: to ensure an equation between Muslim leadership and the personality of Erdogan.

Indeed, Erdogan’s victory in the presidential elections of June 2018 led to huge celebrations from Kerala to Kashmir. Kashmiri separatist leader Mirwaiz Umar Farookh was among the first to congratulate Erdogan.

How does Erdogan's strategy fit into the context of India -Turkey relations more generally?

After India’s independence, relations with Turkey were cold at worst, formal at best. Turkey, to India’s discomfort, always took positions on Kashmir that reflected its political proximity to Pakistan.

Turkey’s foreign policy, in recent years, favors Pakistan and China, India’s geopolitical rivals, and hostile to moves cementing a more prominent position for India in international institutions such as the UN Security Council and its long opposition to India joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group, which Ankara lifted only in 2016.




Erdogan’s visit to India in April 2017, and the cordial relations between Erdogan and Modi showcased on the sidelines of the recent G20 summit are evidence of some personal chemistry between the two leaders, as well as points of contact between their leadership styles.

However, Turkey’s unfavorable positions on key strategic issues for India remain a hurdle, as is India’s warm relations with Saudi Arabia: veteran Indian diplomat Rakesh Sood has noted, "opening a new page for India -Turkey relations clearly needs to wait for better times."

What is the likelihood that the Muslim community in India may be susceptible to Erdogan's charms?

Firstly, Turkey and the vast majority of India's Muslims, both non-Arab Muslim communities, both follow the same Hanafi school of Sunni Islam. That Hanafi school – in India, the Deobandi and Barelvi traditions –is a built-in advantage for Turkey over Saudi Arabia, whose far more alien Wahhabist Islam faces resistance from local Hanafi schools and India's indigenous Muslim culture.

Secondly, there's a tradition of reverence for the Ottoman caliphate. After the revolt of 1857, to escape British persecution, several Indian clerics sought, and were given, refuge in Ottoman territory. In 1919, Gandhi launched the Khilafat movement against the dismemberment of Caliphate by the British, with the massive support of Indian Muslims.

Thirdly, the culture and temperament of Indian Muslims are such that the brutal and extremist methods of an ISIS-style caliphate or Saudi-style Wahhabism has little traction, already proven by the fact that despite boasting the world’s third largest Muslim population, only 112 Indians have traveled abroad to join ISIS.

Ministers in the supposedly secular government openly display majoritarian supremacy. Every other minister is clad in saffron. Journalists and police officers touch the feet of these religious-political figures. And a bunch of Muslims can't pray in a park! Give me a break!

— Shehla Rashid (@Shehla_Rashid) December 26, 2018
U would be in a concentration camps if it would have been China..thanks ur stars for that

— Debasis Sahu (@debasis52) December 26, 2018
Turkey's moderate version of political Islam, with Erdogan as the leader figure, is more likely to be welcomed by Indian Muslims. As Erdogan ratchets up the authoritarian nature of his rule, owning ever more comfortably the nomenclature of "Sultan," his aspiration to be recognized beyond Turkey’s borders as a transnational leader of the Muslim world - a Caliph - expands.

And as the Hindu nationalist footprint strengthens in India, and Muslims feel increasingly threatened, they may seek a more powerful backer abroad to protect their interests, rights, security and identity.

Abhinav Pandya, a Cornell University graduate in public affairs, is a policy analyst specializing in counterterrorism, Indian foreign policy and Afghanistan-Pakistan geopolitics. He is currently researching Wahhabi radicalization in India and is a consultant with Vidya Bhawan, Udaipur. Twitter: @abhinavpandya



https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...-indian-muslims-to-crown-him-caliph-1.6786101

Turkey Sambhal ne ka dam nahi hai pichhade Mai aur chala indiaIke Muslim on ka leadr banane. C**ya kahin ka.
 
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