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Arunachal students submit anti-China memo to Uttarakhand CM

NEW DELHI: A group of students hailing from Arunachal Pradesh, studying at Dehra Dun, has urged an action

against China for its misadventures
in the border region, in a memorandum submitted to the Uttarakhand chief
minister.

The students of Information Technology Institute for the Tribes of India (ITITI), Dehra Dun, presented a memorandum to chief minister Ramesh Pokhariyal Nishank, demanding creation of an 'Arunachal Battalion', to thwart any mischief from China and defend 'Mother India'.

The students' delegation led by Japken Kena, a Class X student, said, "No youth in Arunachal Pradesh will tolerate any mischief from the expansionist China."

The students said they want to join the Army and show the world that they are and shall always remain Indians.

CM Nishank assured them that their requests would be conveyed to the Prime Minister and the President.

"Till we have such patriotic students, we need not fear any one in the world," Nishank said.

The memorandum said, "We, the students of Arunachal Pradesh, want to express the concern and resolve of all Arunachal people regarding the arrogant, war-mongering interventions of China that claims Arunachal as its territory. We and our parents want to convey to Chinese people and their expansionist government that there is no India without Arunachal and no Arunachal without India. We are first Indians and then anything else."

The students further said, "We, the Arunachalis, are very patriotic people and will shed the last drop of our blood for defending our mighty India. We are cautioning China that it should not flare up tensions and hurt the peaceful people, otherwise it must remember that 2009 is not 1962 and we are well prepared for any eventuality."

They also made a request for setting up a military training facility in ITITI, so that they could join forces after completing education.

Arunachal students submit anti-China memo to Uttarakhand CM - India - The Times of India
 
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Do you what? The most powerful country I knew which had socialism (very similar to communism) broke up into multiple pieces. Its ego got so bad and now the real news comes out that people were unhappy in their state.

How ungrateful some Indians can appear to be!

Soviet had its due fate, but please remember, with due gratitude, that, that giant had helped you, and the remnants of the giant are still helping you!

In 1962 Sino-India conflict, USA also helped India. But those thankless Indians…

Holy cow! I could never image the Nature tolerates the existence of such ungrateful spec*s...

I am sorry that many Indians are trying to explain democracy to you guys. It is a concept that very difficult to understand when they have only lived in dictatorship basis. It is just like talking to Iraqi Shia and Iraqi Sunni not to blow each other up. Things were better during Sadam. All of them were fighting to get rid of him.

China is ahead of India but it is still a "developing" country with low GDP/capita, yes better than India.

You are kind of comparing a beggar with two plates and another beggar with one plate. The beggar with two spoons and two plate is saying that his life is way better that he does not have to clean his plate to get new food. Hurray! Way to go! A rich man standing on the side hears the talk and smiles :cheers:

Eventually China has to turn to democracy and India has to reduce its bureaucracy. India also cant expect to have Mao who has destroy places of worship and stamp CCP on it. So things change but a snail pace! At the end of the day, it is a matter of preference - Indians choose democracy and Chinese choose growth.

People reject your democracy for obvious reason. It is so shocking that many of your Indians even don’t know the reason.

You have proudly run your democracy for 60+ years, and you still remain number 1 country of starvation in the world.

You have proudly run your democracy for 60+ years, and you have managed to keep your illiteracy in 30+%.

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Facts talk. No matter how you and you colleagues street-hawk your type of democracy to the Chinese, they are not interested, and they are laughing at you. They love more actual stuff then a mere western “fame”. They’ve been suffered enough; they just don’t want to suffer in an Indian way again. Never!

No, it is not difficult. It is very, very simple.
 
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Soviet had its due fate, but please remember, with due gratitude, that, that giant had helped you, and the remnants of the giant are still helping you!

In 1962 Sino-India conflict, USA also helped India. But those thankless Indians…

We are not ungrateful. We Indians always look to the past......for example, remember that time when Soviet Union almost decided to pummel the Chinese military? Sigh...if only.....

Holy cow! I could never image the Nature tolerates the existence of such ungrateful spec*s..

Holy opium wars batman!! It's shocking that a Chinese (American?) living in the US - "the land of the free" - is advocating the rejection of democracy in favour of Communism? Your very existence is paradoxical.

People reject your democracy for obvious reason. It is so shocking that many of your Indians even don’t know the reason.

It is dumbfounding that Chinese people living outside the PRC do not realise the benefits of democracy.

You have proudly run your democracy for 60+ years, and you still remain number 1 country of starvation in the world.

Point being what exactly?

You have proudly run your neo fascist one party capitalist dictatorship for the last 60 years yet you remain the number 2 country in terms of the number of poor people in the world.

You have proudly run your democracy for 60+ years, and you have managed to keep your illiteracy in 30+%.

Looking at the level of intellect of so called educated Chinese members on this forum, i wonder what exactly is the barometer for literacy in China?

Facts talk. No matter how you and you colleagues street-hawk your type of democracy to the Chinese, they are not interested, and they are laughing at you. They love more actual stuff then a mere western “fame”. They’ve been suffered enough; they just don’t want to suffer in an Indian way again. Never!

China has never truly tried democracy. It has never understood it and thereby a Chinese supporter of the PRC has no basis to make judgements on it.
 
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"You have proudly run your neo fascist one party capitalist dictatorship for the last 60 years yet you remain the number 2 country in terms of the number of poor people in the world."

Now that's what I call a come-back.

Let it go, Pit.
 
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No, Since the way revolts of local population is increasing in China as a result of discontent from communism, we would better stick with democracy.

I was told that the Chinese are not allowed to express themselves. And that is bad. Now they are allowed to express themselves on streets. And now that is bad, too.

Incredible Indian logic!

The Changing of the Guard. -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Why? The infrastructure, the cities shanghai & beijing looks great but chinese from other province cannot migrate there and remains like alien country to them.

Democracy is not wrong, sure people contending for election may be.
As more and more Indians get literate, it will run smoothly and more beautifully than now. After economic reforms, india has gained much progress than can be expected from this chaotic system. We are the second fastest growing nation in the world and one of the least affected from global recession.

Forget AP, its not the real issue. India's and china's name was taken in same breath in 1960 and now again in 2008/9. That's what makes china to adopt an aggressive posture.

China is still poor. Any sane people know that, sans some fan boys.

Nonetheless, China is much better off than India: There isn’t much starvation in China, though malnutrition still exists occasionally in some remote places. The literacy is about 91%, but still have 9% illiteracy. That’s is why I am (and many other folks) donating to those kids who want to go school but can’t afford.

Democracy is not wrong, but you (and some crusaders in USA as well) managed to dash an ugly touch on Democracy.

Democracy is not wrong, but those, that is, you, handling it are wrong!

Now you agree yours is chaotic one; if yours is good, why can’t you make it peaceful, non-violent one? Now you agree that you are the second fastest; if you are good, why can’t you make it the fastest one?

China aggressive? Are you sane?

We only see China resolves much of its land disputes with its neighbors, but India resolves NONE!

We only see India media is hypering war rhetoric, not China.
 
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We are not ungrateful. We Indians always look to the past......for example, remember that time when Soviet Union almost decided to pummel the Chinese military? Sigh...if only.....

This is only between China and Soviet.

It has nothing to do with ungratefulness of India.

In your talking-about, as if Soviet would-mashing of China's military can make ungrateful India grateful. :lol:

Increadible indeed.

Holy opium wars batman!! It's shocking that a Chinese (American?) living in the US - "the land of the free" - is advocating the rejection of democracy in favour of Communism? Your very existence is paradoxical.

Yep! That is why USA is greater than foolish India politicians. We have many voices here. Some voices even believe capitalism is dead. Only India voice we can hear is “democracy” is great even though thousands are starved to death YEARLY. So great, indeed, the fundamentalism!

It is dumbfounding that Chinese people living outside the PRC do not realise the benefits of democracy.

We are very grateful of our type of democracy. It nonetheless doesn’t stop us from pointing out the fundamental weakness of this democracy.

For your democracy? Please bring down your hunger and illiteracy before touting/teaching.

Point being what exactly?

Mentioned above.

You have proudly run your neo fascist one party capitalist dictatorship for the last 60 years yet you remain the number 2 country in terms of the number of poor people in the world.

Ney.

I’d say for 30 years if there was. No. Even the first 30 years, there was no capitalism. Their slogan is “democratic dictatorship” just to open your mind.

But not for last 30 years… unless your brain is fossilized.

If China were to take your type of democracy, it would be number one in poor, not you.

BTW, to be number 2 is not glorious but shameful. But to be number one is more shameful, unless you are truly incredible.

Looking at the level of intellect of so called educated Chinese members on this forum, i wonder what exactly is the barometer for literacy in China?


China has never truly tried democracy. It has never understood it and thereby a Chinese supporter of the PRC has no basis to make judgements on it.

Lucky China, it has never tried democracy like yours. Otherwise, China would be number one in poverty and starvation in the world!

Only Caste system will disallow certain people from doing something, and reserve it for a privileged few. In a healthy democracy, any people are allowed to criticize anything.

Please screw your freaking caste mentality now, and don’t bring it to this forum but your dear Brahmanist ones.
 
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Yep! That is why USA is greater than foolish India politicians. We have many voices here. Some voices even believe capitalism is dead.

You think capitalism is dead. Please read what is Keynesian theory. America had never been 100% capitalist and never been 100% socialist.

China is a capitalist country with majority of big companies owned directly by Chinese government.

Only India voice we can hear is “democracy” is great even though thousands are starved to death YEARLY. So great, indeed, the fundamentalism!

We are very grateful of our type of democracy. It nonetheless doesn’t stop us from pointing out the fundamental weakness of this democracy.

For your democracy? Please bring down your hunger and illiteracy before touting/teaching.

Democracy didnt clamp India's growth. It is License Raj. Read about more about to know more about Indian economy. License Raj is a form of socialism and as India moves away from it, its efficiency is showing up.

When you talk about Chinese growth and Indian growth, the difference in growth in less than 1-2% and if that. Apart from all the statistics the government of India publishes, I know something just because I was born and raised there.

In India, "black money" is so common. Every property transaction, every business deal, every bollywood movie that is made, the amount of black money that evades direct government supervision is very huge. Just to give you an idea - my parents bought a home in India for say x rupees in white money and 9x in black money. When we sold our home in Mumbai later, we sold for 15x rupees of which less than 6x was in white money. So when you are seeing growth of India clocking 6-9% growth, real growth is real huge. But I am not going to debate over it. Whatever you may choose to believe! But I feel, if you are honest you should talk to any Indian who has/had ever bought any property, did any business deal.

I dont how it is in China. And I know it is very little in US unless ofcourse, you count the top brass in the country who may have it but most of it very well secured with their own "foundations".


Ney.

I’d say for 30 years if there was. No. Even the first 30 years, there was no capitalism. Their slogan is “democratic dictatorship” just to open your mind.

But not for last 30 years… unless your brain is fossilized.

If China were to take your type of democracy, it would be number one in poor, not you.

BTW, to be number 2 is not glorious but shameful. But to be number one is more shameful, unless you are truly incredible.

Lucky China, it has never tried democracy like yours. Otherwise, China would be number one in poverty and starvation in the world!

If License raj is removed completely, India will prosper like nobody.China has achieved nothing more because it was authoritarian, it is because China - a communist country at birth embraced capatilism.

Chinese GDP/capita was below India till 1990's ie. it took 12 years+ (from 1978) to reach India's GDP/capita. And I commend that Chinese higher-ups are doing better work.

But unfortunately, many in here are forgetting Mao, the great - the great cultural revolution - which starved and killed so many millions and destroyed the economy. And after him, China had two good dictators.

But it is not too much to expect that China can have a socialist-mindset ruler as the next one.

This is what is secured by having democracy. Rather than waiting 20 years to change the leaders, it takes 5 years. So I dont understand how Chinese model so better. Yes, you can destroy homes by stroke of pen, which is nearly impossible in India, but resentment is completely not taken into account.

When a media like youtube can get blocked merely because there were some protest videos, how silly can you be to think that embracing that is better!

You dont get to eat food because media gets clamped down. China is doing better because it followed better economic policies! Know the difference!

Only Caste system will disallow certain people from doing something, and reserve it for a privileged few. In a healthy democracy, any people are allowed to criticize anything.

Please screw your freaking caste mentality now, and don’t bring it to this forum but your dear Brahmanist ones.

Unfortunately, your knowledge of India is purely theoretical and not embedded in real India.

I am born in very high caste. My grandparents owned large amount of property and land. Government of India institutioned property reforms in 1950s and told all landowners that if you rented out any land (farm land) for more than tweleve months that property has to be given to renters. Renters owned the property free and clear. Howz that?

My grandparents due to amazing ego and past lavish lifestyle which they enjoyed kept on selling other property they had to finance they lifestyle. Infact, it is so sad that my father apparently happened to be first person in my ancenstry to work for some one. Not because he wanted to, but because there was no choice! Because being a upper caste, you are not favored for any government jobs - any option left there is to join a private company and luckily so in case of my father.

I studied got my degree, but you know what - I was discriminated against. In Maharashtra(state), 50% is reserved for backward castes and everyone else. And the gap between the marks for unreserved category and reserved category is sometimes more than 10-15% (percentage) difference. It didnt matter that my parents were not rich, but ofcourse who cares about poor high caste fellow. I have to score much higher marks just to get in where some other guys had to slow far lower. (Forget the rest who paid money to get into my college).

So much for the truth. Before you talk about caste discrimination, you need to be aware of reverse caste discrimination. In some states, as high as 70-80% is reserved as if people pass exams based on caste.
 
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I am born in very high caste. My grandparents owned large amount of property and land. Government of India institutioned property reforms in 1950s and told all landowners that if you rented out any land (farm land) for more than tweleve months that property has to be given to renters. Renters owned the property free and clear. Howz that?

My grandparents due to amazing ego and past lavish lifestyle which they enjoyed kept on selling other property they had to finance they lifestyle. Infact, it is so sad that my father apparently happened to be first person in my ancenstry to work for some one. Not because he wanted to, but because there was no choice! Because being a upper caste, you are not favored for any government jobs - any option left there is to join a private company and luckily so in case of my father.

I studied got my degree, but you know what - I was discriminated against. In Maharashtra(state), 50% is reserved for backward castes and everyone else. And the gap between the marks between is sometimes more than 10-15% (percentage) difference. It didnt matter that my parents were not rich, but ofcourse who cares about poor high caste fellow. I have to score much higher marks just to get in where some other guys had to slow far lower. (Forget the rest who paid money to get into my college).

So much for the truth. Before you talk about caste discrimination, you need to be aware of reverse caste discrimination. In some states, as high as 70-80% is reserved as if people pass exams based on caste.

The Lord is merciful and works in mysterious ways. Some blessings do come in disguises. BTW, I thought the quota was something like 27.5% of SCs and OBCs? Why 50% in Maharastra?

Most helpful and educational anecdotes btw! :toast_sign:

Do keep in mind, however, that the discriminations against some "high class" Chinese were much, much worse - to the detriment of PRC for decades, with effects ongoing. But we cannot completely discount the "uplifting" side of the coin to some among the lower class, either. Wish it could've been done differently

My (maternal) grandfather narrowly escaped being classified as a "landlord" - his brother wore the "hat" - won't tell you what happened to him.

He came to Shanghai to "work" for somebody and climbed the executive ladder. Got classified as an "agent" of the capitalists. Spent a few years in re-education camps (牛棚) and said later these years did wonders for his health - kid you not because he started jogging at that time.

Paternal sides were pure proletariat. Benefited from free tuition and my parents met in an elite high school in Shanghai. Without CCP's upheavals, they probably wouldn't have married because they were from frankly different classes.

And had the upheavals got just a little more out of hand, I probably wouldn't have been here as well.

Food for thought.

:cheers:
 
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Please screw your freaking caste mentality now, and don’t bring it to this forum but your dear Brahmanist ones.

Dude is a self-proclaimed "socialist", with Hammer & Sickle as avatar. It's highly unlikely this one is a "Brahmanist"
 
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This is only between China and Soviet.

It has nothing to do with ungratefulness of India.

In your talking-about, as if Soviet would-mashing of China's military can make ungrateful India grateful. :lol:

Increadible indeed.

I was pointing out the irony of a Chinese American PRC supporter coming to the aid of the Soviets. Didnt both China and America despise the soviet government?

Don't worry about our ungratefulness, our relationship with Russia is closer than you think.


Yep! That is why USA is greater than foolish India politicians.

Fantastic :rolleyes:

We have many voices here. Some voices even believe capitalism is dead.

You mean freedom of speech exists in the US? Damn, if only the same privilege was given to your brethren in China.

Only India voice we can hear is “democracy” is great even

Indeed we are proud of our democratic traditions. We have major problems but at least our democracy allows a peaceful transfer of power between various ideologues.

though thousands are starved to death YEARLY.

There are next to nil starvation deaths in India. Even one is unacceptable but the number is not in the thousands.

and before you post that NGO food report as a source, try to comprehend the difference between malnutrition and starvation.


We are very grateful of our type of democracy. It nonetheless doesn’t stop us from pointing out the fundamental weakness of this democracy.

By championing the cause of a dictatorship? Am i the only one who sees the irony?

For your democracy? Please bring down your hunger and illiteracy before touting/teaching.

If you're under the impression that economic development is a substitute for democratic accountability. You are mistaken.

Despite your championing of capitalist-dictatorial china and it's progress, it still remains a third world nation.


I’d say for 30 years if there was. No. Even the first 30 years, there was no capitalism.

Agreed under Mao, China was not capitalist. It was neo fascist. Under the guise of the dictatorship of the proletariat, Mao engaged in one of the worst mass slaughters in modern history - cultural revolution.

The soviets had repression, their aim was to defeat counter revolutionary forces. but even they would not think to enforce mass starvation of a population as Mao did. As i said - Neo fascist.


But not for last 30 years… unless your brain is fossilized.

For the last 30 years, China has rejected whatever ideology they had, for capitalism. So what is the basis of the Communist party of China's rule? Nothing. China is now nothing but a big capitalist enterprise. One party capitalist dictatorship.

So then, for the last 60 years, China has indeed been a neo fascist one party capitalist dictatorship.

If China were to take your type of democracy, it would be number one in poor, not you.

Perhaps. For all of China's economic development, it is still number 2 in terms of poor people in the world.. For all your efficiency, you are still 95 in the human development index. For all your praise of the Chinese model, the per capita income in china is still around $5000.

No sane individual would trade in his human rights for this kind of development.

BTW, to be number 2 is not glorious but shameful. But to be number one is more shameful, unless you are truly incredible.

I agree that to be number one is shameful, but I'm not the one trumpeting about how economic development is better than democracy. If given a choice between democracy and Chinese so called efficiency, we would rightly choose democracy.

We might develop a decade later but at least we won't have our cultural revolutions, our Tienanmen square massacres, our invasion and suppression of foreign lands - Tibet. In short, our conscience will remain clear.

Lucky China, it has never tried democracy like yours. Otherwise, China would be number one in poverty and starvation in the world!

If you say so.

Only Caste system will disallow certain people from doing something, and reserve it for a privileged few. In a healthy democracy, any people are allowed to criticize anything.

Caste? is that the best you can do? Whenever people start to lose arguments, they bring is the caste system. Don't clutch at straws.

Since you have brought it up, perhaps you would like to know that practicing and enforcing the caste system is illegal. It has always been in modern India. Does it exist? yes, but just as racism in the US doesn't make it a racist society nor a less democratic one, similarly, the practice of the caste system by some ignorant fools doesn't make India less democratic.

Please screw your freaking caste mentality now, and don’t bring it to this forum but your dear Brahmanist ones.

I have no idea what this means. Are you saying i'm a Brahmin? Wrong. I have a caste mentality? I'm not even religious. :rolleyes:

Is that really the best argument you can come up with?
 
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There are next to nil starvation deaths in India. Even one is unacceptable but the number is not in the thousands.

and before you post that NGO food report as a source, try to comprehend the difference between malnutrition and starvation.

as sad as this is...here
 
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"Caste democracy" ?? Off course you must be rather confused as to what the people of the USA are up to when they queue to vote. In a democracy you either get a full democracy or no democracy. There isn't any in between. India has a full democracy. China has no democracy. So before trying to spit on those who have the vote, ask yourself why you do not have the vote. Or perhaps you may want to consider moving to Arunachal and tasting freedom denied to you :what:

look who's talking...........what do you guys think democracy is.....o C'mon tell me what s good in democracy other than breeding cruel capitalism what ever west preaches is not the ideal model.....they have just tasted the medicine of their own "free-markets" model.......Why do we try to impose our views on the other...... If I'm satisfied with being socialist then why do i need to be a democrat...... Rather i would call it a demo-crappy....... and one more thing....having elections and a parliament is not the complete democracy. Having elections is very different from right of self determination.....mind it and do consult a good research before posting such "claims":coffee:
 
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There are next to nil starvation deaths in India. Even one is unacceptable but the number is not in the thousands.

and before you post that NGO food report as a source, try to comprehend the difference between malnutrition and starvation.


INDIA: Starvation deaths ongoing due to administrative neglect

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 21, 2008
ALRC-CWS-07-002-2008

A written statement submitted by the Asian Legal Resource Centre to the 7th session of the UN Human Rights Council



INDIA: Starvation deaths ongoing due to administrative neglect

1. 45-year-old Mr. Teras Ram died from acute starvation on December 24, 2007. Ram is from the Chamar community in Baisa village, Jaunpur district, Uttar Pradesh State. The Chamar are a lower caste community considered to be untouchable by the caste Hindus. While India is rich in food supplies and self-sufficient in its food requirements (1) , acute starvation and malnourishment remain ongoing concerns. In the past 12 months the ALRC has documented at least 29 cases of starvation deaths from India (2).

2. The cases documented by the ALRC shows a consistent and widespread pattern of administrative neglect that results in acute starvation, death from malnutrition and malnutrition induced diseases in India. Each case documented by the ALRC was immediately brought to the attention of the Government of India and the respective State/Provincial government. In each case, the response by the government was absolute denial. In spite of specific calls for administrative actions to address the issue of starvation and malnutrition, the Government of India has done nothing credible thus far to address the situation.


3. As in the case of Ram, most deaths from starvation are reported from the lower caste (Dalit) communities in the country. Discrimination within society owing to caste-based prejudices and poverty, means that the benefits of government welfare programmes does not reach this community. In order to guarantee food security, which is a fundamental right in India (3), the government has constituted a public distribution network under the Ministry of Food and Public Distribution. However, this public distribution system (PDS), is plagued by rampant corruption, causing it to malfunctions. (4) The ALRC has in the past has submitted reports to the UN expressing concern over this issue (5).

4. Corruption in the PDS system promotes starvation. Coupled with the discriminatory practices in the government health service sector, the poor often die from malnutrition and malnutrition-induced sicknesses. 18-month-old Alina Shahin, a resident of Lohta Panchayath, Kashi Vidhya Peed Block in Varanasi District, Uttar Pradesh State, died on September 13, 2007. Prior to her death, Alina was taken to the government public health facility in Lohta. The staff at the facility not only refused treatment but assaulted Alina’s elder sister, Khusnuma, who accompanied Alina to the facility.

5. Alina was suffering from Grade IV malnutrition. The ALRC was alerted to Alina’s situation prior to her death through it local partner, the People’s Vigilance Committee on Human Rights (PVCHR). The ALRC on September 3, 2007, contacted the district administration through its sister-organisation, the Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC). The AHRC urged the head of the district administration, the District Magistrate (DM), Ms. Veena Kumari, to ensure that Alina receive immediate medical attention. The DM refused to take action and through a press release denied the case.

6. In the statement, the DM accused the PVCHR and other local NGOs of shaming the country by reporting cases of starvation. As the result of a lack of State-intervention, Alina died 10 days later. The DM refuted the cause of death. In most cases of starvation deaths, the Government of India has refused to accept that deaths were due to starvation. This case is, however, not a unique experience witnessed by the ALRC (6).

7. The ALRC has observed that whenever a case of starvation is reported, the Indian authorities try to silence the local organisation that reported the case. The condemnable practice of the Indian authorities is to threaten and intimidate the local organisation. Registering false cases against the organisation or the persons involved with such an organisation is a common practice (7).

8. The continuation of feudal practices in India is one more reason for starvation and food insecurity in India. The landlords, often from the upper caste, force members of the lower caste to work for them. Bonded labour is a common practice in the country (8). Most States in India are yet to legislate and implement land reforms laws. Left with no cultivable land or work, the villagers are often forced to work for the local landlords for practically nothing. The wages are often provided in the form of a daily meal. Entire families are forced to work in conditions equivalent to slavery (9).

9. The correlation between bonded labour, the absence of land reform policies and starvation is proven by the simple fact that in States where land reforms have been implemented, cases of starvation and malnutrition are far less frequently reported (10). In the past three years, not a single case of starvation deaths has been reported from the State of Kerala (11). The nation-wide implementation of land reforms is yet to materialise owing to strong political opposition. Many legislators in India are feudal lords (12).

10. Even the Indian judiciary has tried and failed to address the issue of food security. The Supreme Court of India, through a series of interim orders, has tried to address this issue. The court, finding that the Government is clueless and non-responsive regarding the issue, mandated its own Commissioners to investigate and report to the court on the situation of starvation and malnutrition. The Commissioners appointed by the court were also tasked with receiving and investigating complaints of starvation, malnutrition and corruption in the PDS system. Even after six years of this exercise, the situation of food security in India has not improved.

11. The Government of India has also tried several indirect means to ensure a day’s meal for the poor. Schemes like the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act, 2005 (NREGA), the midday meal scheme and the Targeted Public Food Distribution System are examples. It is true that the NREGA has generated rural employment. However, the payment for the employment failed to reach the poor, due to corruption. Those who challenged the system either lost their lives, or, as reported from States like Chhattisgarh, were accused of being Naxalites (13).

12. The corrupt caucus between the law enforcement agencies, landlords and their mafia, the local politicians and an inept, negligent and corrupt administrative set-up, together smother food security in India. (14) India’s accession to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights took place on July 10, 1979. Most of the rights enshrined in the Covenant have been included in domestic law in India. Like the right to food, many of these rights are justiciable, yet people starve to death in India. The failure of the Government of India to protect, promote and fulfil this fundamental human right is a blight on India’s human rights record.

13. India is one of the world’s fastest developing economies and has a reasonably functioning justice system. India’s courts have made commendable contributions to the development of domestic and international human rights jurisprudence. Indians have attained and continue to occupy enviable positions in international organisations, including the UN. India has offered assistance and developmental aid to other developing nations. Yet, an estimated 60% of Indians in the country face malnutrition or even starvation.

14. Against this backdrop, the ALRC is not urging the Human Rights Council to make any specific recommendations to the Government of India based on this written submission. The Government of India is aware of what is to be done to address the situation of food security in the country.

15. The purpose of this written statement is to bring to the attention of the international community the predicament of a large section of India’s populace, which the Government of India has thus far ignored and covered up cases related to violations of their rights. The UN Human Rights Council making a recommendation to the Government of India will not bring 18-month-old Alina back to life.

16. The ALRC expects the Government of India, which is a member of the Human Rights Council, to respect its obligation to protect, promote and fulfil the fundamental right to food of its citizens.

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Footnotes:

1 The High Level Committee constituted by the Ministry of Food and Public Distribution in India in its reports claims that the country is self-sufficient in food grain production and that the country could even face a severe drought season without engendering a shortage of food for the needy.
2 Given the geographical expanse of the country, its population and the similarity in administrative failures in Provinces and States, the number of persons who face food shortage in India is expected to be very high.
3 While the Indian Constitution does not explicitly mention the right to food as a fundamental right, it is implicitly enshrined in Article 21 of the Constitution under the fundamental right to life. The Supreme Court of India has also reiterated that Article 21 of the Indian Constitution guarantees the right to food.
4 Report of the Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food E/CN.4/2006/44/Add.2, dated 20 March 2006.
5 INDIA: Widespread corruption in the Public Food Distribution System causing starvation deaths: ALRC (A/HRC/5/NGO/6)
6 “Speaking of local officials, the Special Rapporteur found a tendency to deny that any starvation deaths occurred, with reported deaths generally blamed on unrelated diseases such as measles.” Report of the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, E/CN.4/2006/44/Add.2, dated 20 March 2006, p.13, paragraph 32
7 India: Threats against Dr. Lenin Raghuvanshi and members of the Peoples Vigilance Committee on Human Rights (PVCHR): Frontline <http://www.frontlinedefenders.org/node/1307>
8 'Bonded labour still exists in many states' April 22, 2007 – Mr. P. Chidambaram, Finance Minister – Government of India, The Hindu April 22, 2007 <http://www.hindu.com/2007/04/23/stories/2007042304190500.htm>
9 Government of India: Ministry of Labour & Employment, Annual Report 2006-2007; The practice of bonded labour is prohibited under Article 23 of the Indian Constitution and also by specific enactment ~ The Bonded Labour System (Abolition) Act, 1976.
10 Organising for the Socio Economic Security for India: Sukti Das Gupta, ILO Geneva, October 2002.
11 The Sstate of Kerala implemented the Kerala Land Reforms Act in 1963, bringing a statutory limit to land holding.
12 For example, of the 543 legislators in the lower house of the Indian Parliament (Lok Sabha), 120 are from the States of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. Yet, these are the two States in India that record the lowest per capita income. The State is home to many senior politicians in India, yet it is one of the most backward States in terms of productivity and agricultural income.
13 Dr. Binayek Sen, a medical doctor and human rights activist from the State was vocal against the corrupt practices of the State administration. Even the Supreme Court of India has denied bail to Dr. Sen, in spite of the absence of any evidence linking Dr. Sen with Naxalites in the State. World renowned personalities like Prof. Noam Chomsky have written to the Government of India seeking Dr. Sen’s release, which the government refused.
14 Enforcing Right to Food in India - Bottlenecks in Delivering in the Expected Outcome: George Cheriyan, United Nations University ~ World Institute for Development Economics Research, November 2006


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About the ALRC: The Asian Legal Resource Centre is an independent regional non-governmental organisation holding general consultative status with the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations. It is the sister organisation of the Asian Human Rights Commission. The Hong Kong-based group seeks to strengthen and encourage positive action on legal and human rights issues at the local and national levels throughout Asia.


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So much for the truth. Before you talk about caste discrimination, you need to be aware of reverse caste discrimination. In some states, as high as 70-80&#37; is reserved as if people pass exams based on caste.

Thanks for your narrative of your family. It does open some view to outsiders.

Nonetheless, your single story hasn't/can't negate the prevailing influence of Caste system. Yes, your government appears to have done something;Yes, some wisemen did something. But your Hindu social soil is based/rooted on that.


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There are next to nil starvation deaths in India. Even one is unacceptable but the number is not in the thousands.

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Living in a state of denial has been epidemic amongst you...

Rising starvation deaths in Shining India - Instablogs

In India starvation death is not only concentrated in UP but nearly every state in the country has unofficial records of starvation deaths, this despite the fact that India is self sufficient in food requirements. Most deaths from starvation are reported from the Dalit communities in the country. Caste-based discrimination and rampant corruption prevents the benefits of the government welfare programs from reaching the members of these communities...


My heart weeps for those suffered and perished ... And couldn't believe such callous Indian members ...
 
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far behind China which you consider a bad system ?

If your so called democracy work that good, why India rank 134 out

of 182 countries in UN Human Development Index ?

Friends, I get a feeling that grey boy2 is not actually a chinese as he is pretending to be. I mean have a look at the reference of that "UN Human Dev Index". Its a trade-mark argument of pakistani bloggers throughout the www, to use this particular reference to criticise Indian moon mission the 'chandrayaan' on various forums and here too it seems they have this one argument(134/182 blah blah) to justify their criticism.

Also the overall language of the post and the unreasonable dragging the caste system (Hindusim basically, coz other indian religions do not have caste system) in every argument is P_a_k_i -stereotype and coupling it to democracy, may be aimed at giving a 'made in china' look.

Its a trend which is growing in p_a_k_i bloggers now a days, to pose as chinese.

No offence please.
 
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