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Army's new mountain divisions to get light field guns instead of howitzers - Times Of India

As the wait for modern ultralight howitzers gets longer, the Army has apparently decided to arm its two new mountain divisions on the Indo-China border with the old generation 105 light field guns (LFGs).

The Gun Carriage Factory (GCF) at Jabalpur has bagged an order to supply over 150 units of 105-LFGs to the Army over a period of three years starting from May 2010. A source in the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), who was part of the deal, said the order has been hiked on account of increased deployment on the eastern front.

He added that the 155mm ultra light howitzers, which the Army has been scouting for since 2007, would have been the ideal choice as LFGs have now become an obsolete weapon system. The 105 LFGs have a range of 18km while a howitzer covers over double the distance.

A senior official at GCF Jabalpur said that the order was received in 2010 and so far 100 pieces have been delivered. Another 50 are expected to be dispatched this year. The source confirmed that this was the biggest order in the recent past.


The LFG is derived from the 105 Indian field gun (IFG), developed over three decades ago. Experts say that given the changing scenario, howitzers would be a better option than a field gun. However, procurement of the guns has been mired in controversy.

India intends to buy around 140 howitzer guns. Singapore-based ST Kinetics was shortlisted, but has now been blacklisted after a bribery scandal. In fact, similar scandals have put plans to replenish the artillery inventory too on hold.

Former director general of artillery LT General (retd) Vinay Shanker says that this could be a stop gap arrangement. Although a 105 in a mountainous area cannot be the ideal weapon, but it is still better to have something rather than nothing.
The procurement of weapon systems is a lengthy process, as the delivery still takes around five to six years after the order is placed. The 105 LFGs can be replaced by the howitzers when they arrive, he said.

According to Colonel US Rathore (retd), an independent defence analyst, howitzers are the ideal choice in a mountainous frontier. Field guns have a lesser lethality as the shells are not so effective, when the defences have time to be strengthened.

Also, howitzers provide a higher trajectory, which is required in a mountainous area. For achieving the same trajectory in a LFG, it has to be moved further from its original position which leads to a compromise in the range
. "The Chinese are known for better defences and bunkers, and a 105 shell may not have the desired impact on certain armoured vehicles too," said Rathore.
 
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the British army uses 105mm guns extensively and is not using m-777 it has developed....
 
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Yeah with proper upgrade we can increase the range of LFGs and even increase the accuracy of LFGs. And if Indian companies are not capable of upgrading LFGs, then we can always go to any foreign firm.

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There is a cancelled US project named XM501 Non-Line-of-Sight Launch System from LM and Raytheon. I doubt US will say no to this. It can be developed specifically for IA and limited ToT can be provided to India.

Each Container Launch Unit (CLU) holds 15 missiles, and a self-locating networked communications system. CLUs can be linked for coordinated launching, with the missiles fired and controlled remotely via autonomous vertical launch. The weapon is roughly 2 meters tall.

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Weight 3,150 lb (1.58 short tons; 1.41 long tons)
Length 45 in (1.1 m)
Width 45 in (1.1 m)
Height 78 in (2.0 m)
Launch CLU of 15 canistered missiles on truck, ship or ground
platform

XM501 Non-Line-of-Sight Launch System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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second option best for IA is...

German Artillery Gun Module

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Weight Module: 12.5 tons, with MLRS hull 27 tons
Length 10.42 m (34 ft 2 in)
Width 2.97 m (9 ft 9 in)
Height 3.06 m (10 ft)
 
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IA is on a buying spree after the leaked letter. Gen V.K.Singh knew where to put his finger to make things moving with the bureaucracy. :woot:
 
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LFG????I thought we are buying M777 through FMS...so why are the delays???
 
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Ask A.K. Antony.... :hitwall:. By this time if we would have ordered a company separately to build light 155mm guns we would have the result and that too india specific. BAE, KMW, Nexter, ST technologies, Denel, Soltam, Czech artillery makers have already entered in the indian market anybody could have been ordered to build the artillery.
 
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LFG????I thought we are buying M777 through FMS...so why are the delays???

There were reports that M777 didn't met IAs requirements, maybe that is an issue as well.
 
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There were reports that M777 didn't met IAs requirements, maybe that is an issue as well.
What ??? Doesn't meet IA requirement ??? I don't understand what IA is looking for laser cannons ???
If we ban half the firms,we are not happy with remaining firms and our PSUs can't produce the dam thing in times then what options IA has ???
They should have gone ahead with it as stop gap measures. M777 would definately be better than LFGs
 
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There were reports that M777 didn't met IAs requirements, maybe that is an issue as well.
Yeah thats true....but the other one is ST Kinetics Pegasus which is banned. IA doesn't have any other option in this category thats why m777 is being purchased.
 
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better to update LGF increase the range from 18km to 30km which are more suitable coze it easily move anywhere
 
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second option best for IA is...

German Artillery Gun Module

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Weight Module: 12.5 tons, with MLRS hull 27 tons
Length 10.42 m (34 ft 2 in)
Width 2.97 m (9 ft 9 in)
Height 3.06 m (10 ft)

These types of things will kill you.
Pakistan has tank type Howtizers such as the M110 that can move at a speed of 55 km/h and has a callibe of 203mm and range of 523km.
It is always best to go for something that has wheels...
 
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This article says deliveries were to begin in 2010 so this seems to be old news. Recent reports are the M-777 is a given and the deal is likely to be signed this FY.
 
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