Are we going to see a rupture between Turkey and Europe even Nato soon.

[Zulkarneyn]

You may want to watch the TV series "International Terrorism since 1945"

IRA, ETA, Red Brigades, Baader-Meinhof, EOKA, SLA and lately Breivik are all considered terrorists.
And no, the latest Muslim Terrorists have not coordinated with a network, they are just
following ISIS suggestions to murder innocent civilians wherever.

As pointed out, if You believe that Turkish sources spread false news, then it is better
to sort it out diplomatically, explaining facts, instead of aggressively escalating the issue.

Perhaps for some of those are counted as terror. Yet any person with no affiliation to any organization can easily claim they belong to an organization.
I count the Iraq genocide as state terrorism perpetrated by the US and its lapdogs in the West whose media are only as "free" as their master uncle sam allows them. If you had the tiniest amount of decency, as you claim you are the leaders in human rights, your media wouldn't have acted completely biased with regards to the Iraq genocide in 2003 that started all this mess in the Middle East. Is your "free media" allowed to call Bush and Blair terrorists? Or would those journalists get fired and fined and courted?

One thing you don't understand in your "perfect" homes in the West is the following. Might does not make right. Technological scientific advancement doesn't put you in a position to dictate and intervene in other countries, with pathetic excuses that are mostly exaggerated and fabricated. You have constrcuted a diabolical version of "self-rightousness" that makes you think your media is free and true. Sorry to be the harbinger of truth, it's a false sense of entitlement and righteousness you have.

Destroy Middle East. Create refugee floods, let Turkey deal with US and their lapdogs problems and then demonize the very country that looks after those refugees.

This comes from the Eastern world.
US Sponsored Genocide Against Iraq 1990-2012. Killed 3.3 Million, Including 750,000 Children
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-spo...3-3-million-including-750000-children/5314461
Of couse this doesnt count, right

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Perhaps for some of those are counted as terror. Yet any person with no affiliation to any organization can easily claim they belong to an organization.
I count the Iraq genocide as state terrorism perpetrated by the US and its lapdogs in the West whose media are only as "free" as their master uncle sam allows them. If you had the tiniest amount of decency, as you claim you are the leaders in human rights, your media wouldn't have acted completely biased with regards to the Iraq genocide in 2003 that started all this mess in the Middle East. Is your "free media" allowed to call Bush and Blair terrorists? Or would those journalists get fired and fined and courted?

One thing you don't understand in your "perfect" homes in the West is the following. Might does not make right. Technological scientific advancement doesn't put you in a position to dictate and intervene in other countries, with pathetic excuses that are mostly exaggerated and fabricated. You have constrcuted a diabolical version of "self-rightousness" that makes you think your media is free and true. Sorry to be the harbinger of truth, it's a false sense of entitlement and righteousness you have.

Destroy Middle East. Create refugee floods, let Turkey deal with US and their lapdogs problems and then demonize the very country that looks after those refugees.

This comes from the Eastern world.
US Sponsored Genocide Against Iraq 1990-2012. Killed 3.3 Million, Including 750,000 Children
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-spo...3-3-million-including-750000-children/5314461
Of couse this doesnt count, right

1. There are Westerners which are considered terrorists - You were proven wrong
We don't censor magazines.
Article in the largest evening paper of Sweden.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article10696906.ab
2. There are newspapers in the west that calls Bush a terrorist - You were proven wrong.

3. The Syrian refugee flood is homegrown in the Middle East.
It is mainly a contest between KSA/Gulf States and Iran.
You are wrong again.

4. Decisions made by the UNSC are never illegal. They define what is legal.
Something the website forgets.
As usual, argumentation is trying to shift the responsibility away from the real culprit,
which is Saddam Hussein.
His actions are the cause for a lot of things happening since,
and when ISIS blows up Shia Muslims in Bagdad, you add that to the US tally, right.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

1. There are Westerners which are considered terrorists - You were proven wrong
We don't censor magazines.
Article in the largest evening paper of Sweden.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article10696906.ab
2. There are newspapers in the west that calls Bush a terrorist - You were proven wrong.

3. The Syrian refugee flood is homegrown in the Middle East.
It is mainly a contest between KSA/Gulf States and Iran.
You are wrong again.

4. Decisions made by the UNSC are never illegal. They define what is legal.
Something the website forgets.
As usual, argumentation is trying to shift the responsibility away from the real culprit,
which is Saddam Hussein.
His actions are the cause for a lot of things happening since,
and when ISIS blows up Shia Muslims in Bagdad, you add that to the US tally, right.

Good that i understand Swedish for this occation. I did some research on aftonbladet and read that article plus a couple others. Surprise, that Muhammad Omar, doesn't work for Aftonbladet and he is deemed a radicalist today.

I've been in the West for a very long time and have never stumbled upon the papers calling Bush terrorist. You can find guys like Omar of Muslim origin who write these short indlæg in the papers, that's as far as you get.

Syrian refugee flood isn't homegrown. It's not a contest between Shias and Sunnis.

The real culprit is Bush not Hussein. There were no valid reason or justification behind the unmandated invasion of Iraq in 2003. Hussein wasn't an angel, but nothing warranted invasion. No court, no UN mandate, no popular support, no valid data that supported immediate danger in Iraq. Everything was disproved, from Saddam's alleged connection to AlQaeda to biological weapon claim. A claim made by an alleged Iraqi engineer who told german intelligence he saw trucks carrying these weapons. In their report the German intelligence noted "the man's words are highly unreliable and most likely untrue" yet they went on and informed MI6 and the British intelligence carried the message to NSA and CIA. All of these agencies and government were very well aware that the information they based their silly claim on was a farce from the very beginning = one unreliable Iraqi who fled the country.

I've lived in Scandinavia most of my life buddy. Your argumentative style is mediocre at best. The only reason behind Scandinavian success is discipline and patience, and a heavy relience on state mechanism. Your reliance on your state is positive and negative. Positive because there is trust. Negative because no politician can truly be trusted no system is truly subjective and free from bias. If there weren't any US to back you up, Russia wouldn't hesitate removing you. Pray US for your existence. As i said, your free media is only as free as the US allows it to be

 

[shhh]

Lool what are you even on about?lol
Is it today that Erdogan came to power? He has Been in power for over a decade now. So you mean he was first submissive then suddenly he started not being submissive a few weeks ago?

Edrogan has played the field very well, he was considered a "moderate Muslim" (whatever that is), by the west and so he was tolerated.

When Turkey became same sufficient and good economically, he showed middle finger to well everyone

West has been waging a media war against him for years.

 

[TurkeyForever]

Journalists don't have immunity. If they make propaganda for pkk, dhkp-c, gulen or releasing sensitive govt information (like assange and snowden), then the state has every right to arrest such 'journalists'. If you think the state is arresting journalists for their opposition, then you are so wrong. Cumhuriyet, Hurriyet, Taraf, Radikal, Sozcu are among the major anti-govt newspapers to name a few. Hurriyetdailynews is an anti-govt English version of Hurriyet. In the meanwhile we see pkk and gulen supporters freely writing and protesting in the EU. Tell me, the pkk is on the terror list of the EU, why can they protest and wave pkk flag in the capital of the EU, Brussels, but isis can't? Freedom of expression for pkk, but not isis?

Yes, and according to Western media Turkey should have become a second Iran some years back. Don't make us laugh with your predictions. Before the EU does so, Turkey should terminate EU application and smack it in the face of the EU in front of the world.

I hope the death penalty will come. Pkk terrorists and cult gulenists don't deserve to be fed by tax payers after them abusing our state and throwing bullets and bombs at their own people. Turkey is not some Swedish country located safely away from terror. Eye for eye and tooth for tooth for all terrorists and not a single penny from tax payers for vermin. If the US can without any serious pressure from the EU, then so can Turkey. Equality and democracy

We don't see the EU pressuring the US at all. Some halfhearted condemnations won't do it.
When it comes to Turkey, though, the EU politicians and media bombards Turkey non-stop, even belittling now and then.
If the US faced half the pressure Turkey faces from EU, the US would simply move a finger and the EU would shut up and go back to its corner like the spineless organization it is.


And if you're a Turk, you should write Turk with a capital T.


Then give us some names of innocent journalists that were merely arrested for doing their job?

Man, no offense, but I'm laughing from my *** when i read what you write.
The ongoing purge is against Gulenists. They have nothing to do with politics. Their loyalty lies with Gulen first, not the state or any political party. Framing, blackmailing, wiretapping, cheating national exams, purging non-Gulenists from national institutes are among their crimes. We are aware some Western media likes to depict Gulen as if he is part of the 'opposition', far from it. Now, let's watch what Gulen has to say to his followers:

Whenever Turkey cleans up pkk, dhkp-c and gulenists, the EU starts barking and pressuring more

Agzina saglik iyi yazdin, yuregime sanki birisi su serpti

 

[Malik Alashter]

We have many media here which propagate against the state, we ignore them mostly.
Other media propagate against the current government.
A newspaper typically shares the view of one or more parties, so by reading multiple papers
you can see all sides if an issue.
That is what is expected in a true democracy.
A country that only has papers which supports the government through wet and dry does not have free press.

Journalists making threats will be prosecuted like anyone else.
Laws making it a crime to insult the president does not belong in a democracy.

What I meant is that they work as a fifth column some one working hard to bring the new regime down and bring back the dictatorship that what I meant you can't tolerate such thing.

 

[Timur]

EU (germanys EU) is going crazy.. I think they are behind the coup (with support) .. we will se a cold war against turkey..

and when the time comes maybe war..

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Good that i understand Swedish for this occation. I did some research on aftonbladet and read that article plus a couple others. Surprise, that Muhammad Omar, doesn't work for Aftonbladet and he is deemed a radicalist today.

I've been in the West for a very long time and have never stumbled upon the papers calling Bush terrorist. You can find guys like Omar of Muslim origin who write these short indlæg in the papers, that's as far as you get.

Syrian refugee flood isn't homegrown. It's not a contest between Shias and Sunnis.

The real culprit is Bush not Hussein. There were no valid reason or justification behind the unmandated invasion of Iraq in 2003. Hussein wasn't an angel, but nothing warranted invasion. No court, no UN mandate, no popular support, no valid data that supported immediate danger in Iraq. Everything was disproved, from Saddam's alleged connection to AlQaeda to biological weapon claim. A claim made by an alleged Iraqi engineer who told german intelligence he saw trucks carrying these weapons. In their report the German intelligence noted "the man's words are highly unreliable and most likely untrue" yet they went on and informed MI6 and the British intelligence carried the message to NSA and CIA. All of these agencies and government were very well aware that the information they based their silly claim on was a farce from the very beginning = one unreliable Iraqi who fled the country.

I've lived in Scandinavia most of my life buddy. Your argumentative style is mediocre at best. The only reason behind Scandinavian success is discipline and patience, and a heavy relience on state mechanism. Your reliance on your state is positive and negative. Positive because there is trust. Negative because no politician can truly be trusted no system is truly subjective and free from bias. If there weren't any US to back you up, Russia wouldn't hesitate removing you. Pray US for your existence. As i said, your free media is only as free as the US allows it to be

The fact that such statements can be written, does not mean that people have to agree with what is written.
If You write rubbish, people will not buy Your stuff and You go broke.

Did not see any US invasion nor Russian invasion after Palme called US "Killers of Satan" 1972,
during the Christmas Bombings of Hanoi.
When would those restrictions strike?
The US limited sales of JA-37 Viggen, but that did not have any effect on any press.

Saddam Hussein was a dictator which murdered his own people.
That is good enough in my book.
The world should rid itself from dictators.

 

[usernameless]

Saddam Hussein was a dictator which murdered his own people.

The US invading Iraq on illegal grounds while lying to the world is of another level, though.
The world should get rid of dictators and those pretending to be bringing democracy and freedom through war in other countries.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

The fact that such statements can be written, does not mean that people have to agree with what is written.
If You write rubbish, people will not buy Your stuff and You go broke.

Did not see any US invasion nor Russian invasion after Palme called US "Killers of Satan" 1972,
during the Christmas Bombings of Hanoi.
When would those restrictions strike?
The US limited sales of JA-37 Viggen, but that did not have any effect on any press.

Saddam Hussein was a dictator which murdered his own people.
That is good enough in my book.
The world should rid itself from dictators.

I can't continue discussing this useless discussion . If it makes you sleep better at night, believe Iraq genocide was justified. Im out, need to focus on life