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Are we going to see a rupture between Turkey and Europe even Nato soon.

Look, just because we enslaved Pakistan, doesn't mean Turkey was also weak and could be enslaved too. Please don't infect Turkey.

If Turkey was weak and a slave then Gulen wouldn't have ran away with his tale between his legs. He abandoned his fellow roaches, when the food supply finally ran short they do what roaches always do, scatter and cause temporary panic.

We gave USA a beating of lifetime in Afghanistan, that is an example of USA's failures and its so called super power status, cant fight even a bunch of AK-47 holders (pathetic). And yet USA cant do shit about us. On the other hand they got involved in wars just for Israel and look how pathetic they have become now, China is giving them middle finger in SCS and Pakistan is giving them middle finger in Afghanistan.

Turkey has become a formidable country who looks for its own interests now and is not a bitch of anyone now, since Edrogan came into power. Gulen ran because of Edrogan.

Its not like USA's ugly, terrorist and pathetic face is not known to the world already. USA did this coup to get their own guy to rule.
 
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We gave USA a beating of lifetime in Afghanistan, that is an example of USA's failures and its so called super power status, cant fight even a bunch of AK-47 holders (pathetic). And yet USA cant do shit about us. On the other hand they got involved in wars just for Israel and look how pathetic they have become now, China is giving them middle finger in SCS and Pakistan is giving them middle finger in Afghanistan.
When and how exactly did Pakistan become Afghanistan?
 
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We gave USA a beating of lifetime in Afghanistan, that is an example of USA's failures and its so called super power status, cant fight even a bunch of AK-47 holders (pathetic). And yet USA cant do shit about us. On the other hand they got involved in wars just for Israel and look how pathetic they have become now, China is giving them middle finger in SCS and Pakistan is giving them middle finger in Afghanistan.

Turkey has become a formidable country who looks for its own interests now and is not a bitch of anyone now, since Edrogan came into power. Gulen ran because of Edrogan.

Its not like USA's ugly, terrorist and pathetic face is not known to the world already. USA did this coup to get their own guy to rule.

Is it true that you (Pakistan) had osama bin laden but didn't give him to the US?
That is what I read in some other thread.

If it's true then I think the reason USA didn't attack you is because they fear your nukes, look at north korea, it threatens the US all the time but they can't do anything about it.

Turkey should do like Israel have many of it's own nukes, if USA or the west says anything we point at Israel o_O

Actually they can't do anything if Turkey gets nukes, both the west and Russia would fear offending us and losing us to the other side :omghaha:
 
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Is it true that you (Pakistan) had osama bin laden but didn't give him to the US?
That is what I read in some other thread.

It is just a US claim, they have provided no evidence and we all know how good US claims are.

Our reports says that Osama died a natural death in 2004, we just kept USA "searching" for him.

USA did not know of Taliban Commanded Mullah Omer's death for two years.

Someone just kept pretending to be him and USA being USA thought it was him.

But yes, it is true that we supported Afghans in US-Afghan war and protected Osama :D

If it's true then I think the reason USA didn't attack you is because they fear your nukes, look at north korea, it threatens the US all the time but they can't do anything about it.

Our nukes cant hit them, we do not have the range, but we can nuke Israel :)

USA does not fight because they know that shit will hit the fan because of their own stupidity.

Turkey should do like Israel have many of it's own nukes, if USA or the west says anything we point at Israel o_O

Actually they can't do anything if Turkey gets nukes, both the west and Russia would fear offending us and losing us to the other side :omghaha:

Thats why you need to keep nukes on that NATO Air base, you NEED them.
Turkey MUST develop Nukes, whatever the f*ck the world says, Turkey must develop nukes, it is needed for Turkey's protection, you have more enemies than you can count.

When and how exactly did Pakistan become Afghanistan?

You do not have the understanding of "proxy war".?

Awwww.
 
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Thats why you need to keep nukes on that NATO Air base, you NEED them.
Turkey MUST develop Nukes, whatever the f*ck the world says, Turkey must develop nukes, it is needed for Turkey's protection, you have more enemies than you can count.
Awwww.

I don't think those nukes in the nato airbase are reliable, they are US made so they most likely have a kill switch. We need our own 100% homemade nukes, maybe with Pakistans help, but we need to control the chips and computers and all that ourselves 100%.

I read a article over 10 years ago in a turkish defence magazine by a high ranking military officer, it said even the F16's had kill switch in them, that US could shut them down so they wouldn't work.

I think that is the main reason for turkish TFX fighter jet. We need 100% control of our weapons.

I wonder how much kill switch was put into action during the iraq war, probably a lot that we don't know about. The iraq military was pretty strong, then fell like a house of cards, something doesn't add up.
 
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Turkey was never going to be let into the EU. They must have known this years ago. It's weird how they just continued negotiations anyway.
Let them get out of NATO first:toast_sign:

:omghaha:

What are you even talking about ? Our main target in WWI was mainly European 'white' Germany and it's formidable fighting machine.s once we didn't want to see another challenger to our superpower status back then, close to our doors.
Interests have no race per se:D:P
i think you should focus uk than turkey.. where is uk in these days? west seling lotsof military equipment usa france germany .where is uk? any good amount of sale?
 
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I don't think those nukes in the nato airbase are reliable, they are US made so they most likely have a kill switch. We need our own 100% homemade nukes, maybe with Pakistans help, but we need to control the chips and computers and all that ourselves 100%.

I read a article over 10 years ago in a turkish defence magazine by a high ranking military officer, it said even the F16's had kill switch in them, that US could shut them down so they wouldn't work.

I think that is the main reason for turkish TFX fighter jet. We need 100% control of our weapons.

I wonder how much kill switch was put into action during the iraq war, probably a lot that we don't know about. The iraq military was pretty strong, then fell like a house of cards, something doesn't add up.

You are right about that, didn't Turkey fixed a kill switch in one of their radars that wasn't detecting Israel?

Dont Turkey make their own F-16?

Anyway, Pakistan can surely help you in that regard (but under the table).

When Pakistan did it, we kept them confused for years, they have their satellites up in the air.
They continuously watched our sensitive buildings. One of the many things that we did to keep them confused is we loaded our trucks with suspicious material and continued to send them from one location to another location they kept their eyes on those trucks while we developed our nukes.
We were badly sanctioned after that, we knew it will happen, but we did, because we knew it was necessary for our own survival.
We had a very large, hostile neighbor right next to us, who had developed nukes.
They had created a terrorist proxy in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and they have found waging a proxy war in Baluchistan, we caught one of their top guys a few months ago.
You have USA as your Enemy, you have Russia as your enemy (believe it or not).
The threat Pakistan faces is nothing compared to the threat Turkey faces.
You will be sanctioned if you did that they may even declare a war, you need to be prepared.

So, all you can do is start a proxy on your neighbors property, while we drone and own your politicians. That's what I thought. :coffee:

Thats the best you could do? killing unarmed civilians?
While our people went in Afghanistan, raped the punny a$$es of your trained, armed soldiers and came back?
While we took over your NATO trucks while they were en route?
When we kept you fighting for more than a decade and continue to do so?
When we managed to put you in 18tn in debt, your economy is struggling so much that it is barely growing 1%?
When your super power status is diminishing?
And when we took money to fight the war?
Awwww.

Not bad for a nation like Pakistan with 250bn in GDP compared to the nation like USA - the so called super power, dont you think? :)

There is a reason our agencies are ranked top in their areas despite short-funded, we can teach you, if you decide to be an obedient student :)
 
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Thats the best you could do? killing unarmed civilians?
Like I said, your country can't protect your civilians and instead you commit guerrilla warfare in your neighbors land to release frustration. Which group is it? Taliban?

Your country is weak, especially your politicians. Deflecting the argument won't work.
 
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Like I said, your country can't protect your civilians and instead you commit guerrilla warfare in your neighbors land to release frustration. Which group is it? Taliban?

Your country is weak, especially your politicians. Deflecting the argument won't work.

It is you who has run out of arguments, we cant protect civilians, you cant protect your armed soldiers, tch tch tch :)
 
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You are right about that, didn't Turkey fixed a kill switch in one of their radars that wasn't detecting Israel?

Dont Turkey make their own F-16?

I haven't heard about the radars.

I think Turkey makes parts for the F16 and assembles them in Turkey, however the vital parts like computers and chips are made in the US, it's same with the new F35 US makes the vital parts.

All the countries involved in F35 will be under US control thanks to the kill switch, in turn both NATO and US will be under US control as they can kill any specific countries air power at will.

I'm sure Japan is cooking things much more advanced than US, I wonder what they are :sarcastic:

Japan is light years ahead of everyone else in tech, it's like the sleeping giant with the element of surprise.

US and Russia just copied hitlers technology and improved on them "very little" even their b52 stealth bomber is almost identical to WW2 German designs and prototypes, and this is over 60 years later :hitwall:

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China is 3rd place, copying both US and Russian tech.
 
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Look, just because we enslaved Pakistan, doesn't mean Turkey was also weak and could be enslaved too. Please don't infect Turkey.
It is you who has run out of arguments, we cant protect civilians, you cant protect your armed soldiers, tch tch tch :)
My argument wasn't about what the US can or can not do, it was about claiming that Pakistan is weak. Thank you very much. You have corrupt politicians that can't protect the civilians. :tsk::tsk::tsk:
 
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Well it is already very dis-functional relationship... however staying in Nato is important for Turkey i guess ... all the technology and first hand military goodies like JSF is because Turkey is part of Nato
 
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My argument wasn't about what the US can or can not do, it was about claiming that Pakistan is weak. Thank you very much. You have corrupt politicians that can't protect the civilians. :tsk::tsk::tsk:

No one denied that Pakistan is weak, that is the precise point I am making.
A weak country screwed USA off and USA cant do jack sh!t about it :)
 
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For some reason I see some cold and cloud in the relationship between the old friends here Turkey and Europe especially after the visit of Erdogan to Putin Am I right or wrong?
Russia has not just got closer to Turkey but also to America's all weather friend, Israel, as well as to the very cold China.
This is Russia's way of getting support of countries which can tilt the axis in its favour.
Putin has merely utilised the opportunity to drive a wedge between America and its allies.
 
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