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Are Pakistani's ready for corruption free society?

Trolling rather not, this is the fact and reality, Pakistan inherited corruption and the practice from the British Raj it will have ot be repeated a billion time until people give attention to it and then rise against it.

Have you not read what I said, "We have British Laws and Systems, who is to implement it, When system is not implemented there is nothing on the face of earth that can fix all the problems of a Nation or Region."

sorry sir I beg to differ with you. Most people give bribes not by choice but by force and gradually this is getting cultivated within us. WE need to get rid of this. This is because of the system we have in place. we have to bring the reforms jst like jan lokpal bill in India.
 
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Thank you for the invitation, but doing it here is just fine. You can always light a torch from the flame I hold and use it to illuminate your countrymen.

Very so low man2

Why cant you stick to the thread? This thread is about 6 lives being lost and its so sad.
Please stick to the thread (for a change).
 
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Let me ask you this. Are you willing to fight the darkness and corruption with in yourself. if yes than you are on the right path.BTW I am not accusing you of any wrongdoing. It will take each one of us on individual basis to achieve the ultimate goal of corruption free nation. If you have time please read my other posts as well on the topic. Also give any feedback that you feel like.

As for me, yes I am ready to. Infact I already am fighting and trying to be a better muslim and a better human, following the sayings of Islam which are same of Humanity.

But personally, let me assure you, majority isin't like me and others like me, and its dreadful to know that.
 
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Very so low man2

Why cant you stick to the thread? This thread is about 6 lives being lost and its so sad.
Please stick to the thread (for a change).
No, this is the "corruption" thread. You might want to edit your posts...
 
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No, this is the "corruption" thread. You might want to edit your posts...

A reminder : members may want to ignore Solomon2, An American who prides himself as a savior for Jews but relish thought to wipe-out Muslims and Arabs alike and enjoys the torture of such people to death .......
Hitler had the same kind of thinking ...........
Solomon2 is only here just to troll... please do not play into his game and just simply report his post like i have already done.
 
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on a lighter note i think that other member was right.

Instead of just posting on these forums Mr.Solomon or i say Mr.Suleman(which is the right pronunciation) should take the endeavor to introduce Zionism to Pakistanis. Who knows Pakistani's might adopt it and gain a few cents lol.
 
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....and on that note
Instead Taliban or even Hamaz group should take the endeavor to introduce Sharia law to Israelis and Hindus alike.
This will most definatly improve their trouble lifestyle
Who knows both theses people 's might adopt it and gain a few cents lol
 
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....and on that note
Instead Taliban or even Hamaz group should take the endeavor to introduce Sharia law to Israelis and Hindus alike.
This will most definatly improve their trouble lifestyle
Who knows both theses people 's might adopt it and gain a few cents lol

Frankly anybody who has studied Islam knows that Both Taliban and general Muslim Population doesn't follow 99% of teachings of
Islam. There are very few in the world who follow Islam in the right way with the right spirit.
 
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At one time, when Pakistan was the most liberal and secular of nations, this country was the least corrupt nation in Asia.

PAKISTAN: The Benign Year
Monday, Nov. 02, 1959

"Long live martial law!" cried the peasants at village after village on the whistle-stop tour. Tall, strapping General Mohammed Ayub Khan, 52, dressed in open shirt and slacks, would lean from the doorway of his private railroad car and call: "How are you? How are the crops?" The village leader answered: "We are in perfect peace through your kindness." Others crowded round to beg Ayub to save them from a distasteful return of "democracy and politicians."

With strong support in the grass roots, with a docile and hero-worshiping press and radio, Sandhurst-educated General Ayub Khan this week celebrated the first anniversary of his "benign dictatorship." Since peacefully overthrowing the corrupt and inefficient government of Iskander Mirza—which was democratic in name only—Ayub Khan has startled his countrymen and Western observers by fulfilling nearly every promise he made.

Signs of Progress. At home Ayub Khan cleaned house by firing some 2,000 corrupt bureaucrats, cracked down on black-marketeers and hoarders, collected long overdue taxes, and even retrieved two tons of gold from the sea, where it had been sunk by smugglers. Big landowners were forced to disgorge 3,000,000 acres for distribution to landless peasants. Fifty thousand Moslem refugees who had fled India twelve years ago were moved from fetid mud-and-straw shantytowns on the edge of Karachi into newly built camps. Foreign reserves have nearly doubled, industrial production has jumped by 10% and, even more remarkably, a $25 million International Monetary Fund credit was canceled because Ayub decided Pakistan did not need it.

Abroad, Ayub has remained firmly pro-Western and a member of CENTO. He is the first leader of Pakistan to make a determined effort to improve relations with India. The problem of the canal waters of the Indus basin is nearing settlement (TIME, June 1). After twelve years of border conflict in Kashmir, an Indian and a Pakistani commission last week concluded talks that may put this problem to rest. Half a year ago, Nehru and most Indians still spoke contemptuously of the "naked military dictatorship" in Pakistan. Today Indians are increasingly aware that social and economic evils still festering in India under their civilian leader have been successfully attacked in Pakistan by its soldier leader.

Of course, it is not democracy. Critics think Ayub is moving too slowly at reforming Pakistan's legal system and devising a constitution (answers Ayub: "I am not one of those clever chaps. I like to know exactly what I am doing before I do it"). He agrees that Pakistan needs a constitution, but it will probably be Gaullist when it comes, and Ayub would argue that it has to be. He scorns demagogues ("It is a wrong thing to do to play on the emotions of the people") and swears, "I had no desire to take on this kind of work," but many Pakistanis believe that his ambition is to become the constitutionally elected President of his country.

On the Move. One of Ayub's bold measures is meeting with some criticism. He ordered the removal of the nation's capital from sweltering Karachi on the shores of the Arabian Sea to the cool mountain heights of Rawalpindi, 750 miles to the northeast. Nearly 1,500 government people, their wives and their families, their filing cabinets and office furniture, were loaded onto special trains this week to make a move. They were also given a "disturbance allowance." Karachi is hot, ugly and uncomfortable, but it is a big city (pop. 2,000.000) inhabited by nearly all the racial strains of Pakistan—Punjabis, Sindhis, Bengalis. Cool 'Pindi is relatively small (250,000) a garrison town that is the military headquarters of the Pakistani army (Ayub himself lived there for many years as an army officer), and some Pakistanis fear that governmental power may become concentrated there in the hands of the Punjabis, who already provide the bulk of the armed forces.

Rawalpindi will only be a provisional capital at best, for General Ayub plans to build a brand-new and still unnamed capital city a few miles away on the Potwar plain, at an estimated cost of $100 million. Members of Pakistan's diplomatic colony, forced now to commute between their embassies in Karachi and their temporary quarters in 'Pindi, are not happy about the move. Grumbled one: "This is the first time Ayub has acted as a purely military mind." To which Pakistanis answer: If other nations can fashion artificial capitals in the wilderness such as Washington, Canberra and Brasilia, why can't Pakistan?

PAKISTAN: The Benign Year - TIME
 
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Pakistan: Ayub 's Acid Test
Friday, Apr. 14, 1961

"The broad masses of the people—95% of Pakistan—positively do not want a return to parliamentary democracy. If we can run a country without a party system, we shall be a happier people." Leaning forward intently in a wicker chair on the terrace of the President's House in East Pakistan, Pakistan Strongman Mohammed Ayub Khan was discoursing on his favorite subject: the evils of politics.

A general who was trained at Britain's Sandhurst, Ayub has a soldier's dislike for politicians. In Ayub's Pakistan, politicking is literally a crime: criticism of his government is punishable by 14 years' hard labor. But under his benign rule, few have actually been sent to the workhouse, and in the nearly three years since he peaceably ejected the squabbling, corrupt politicians in exasperation and took over the government, he has made a spirited assault on Pakistan's multitude of ills.

No Tea Money. Ayub has pushed through a land reform program, redistributing some 23% of Pakistani farmland to onetime tenant farmers. Karachi's teeming refugee slums have been razed; some 100,000 refugees from the bloody division of Pakistan and India were relocated in plain but clean modern colonies. No longer is "tea money" necessary to get in to see a government official. Ayub has made Pakistan's government the least corrupt of any nation on the Asian continent.

On the edge of bankruptcy three years ago, Pakistan now has some $235 million in foreign exchange reserves, has curbed inflation at home. Ayub stoked up the Pakistan Industrial Development Corp., which starts new industries with government capital, sells them to private businessmen as soon as they are flourishing. The agency helped boost Pakistan's national income some 4% last year. Food grain output has increased almost 19%.

One-Woman Palace. In foreign relations. Ayub has striven earnestly to improve relations with India, talking a suspicious Nehru into meeting him at the bargaining table. If they could not get around to settling their difficulties in Kashmir, they agreed to divide the waters of the Indus River equitably. Some border tensions have eased, and trade between the two bad neighbors has increased. But despite its huge population (with 93.8 million people, it is the biggest Moslem nation in the world), Pakistan has had surprisingly little impact on world councils. Setting out to make Pakistan's influence felt more. Ayub has visited eleven nations in the past year, got foreign aid from West Germany and Japan, will visit President Kennedy in Washington in November. Last month Ayub's government signed a $30 million oil exploration deal with Russia. Pakistan remains a staunch Western ally, gets some $250 million in aid from the U.S. annually, largely to help support its big (160,-ooo men) army.

Ayub has started construction on a luxurious new capital for Pakistan in the cool highlands near Rawalpindi. When completed (in ten years), it will be one of the best-planned yet lowest-cost-per-unit cities in Asia. In keeping with Ayub's austere, no-nonsense habits, he has instructed the builders that the new presidential palace should be the kind of place that "one woman can run."

Man Eating Man. For all Ayub's efforts, the problems of Pakistan remain immense. His census takers were dismayed this year to find that in a decade the population had jumped 23.7% (neighboring India has jumped 20%). "Unless we can effectively curb this galloping population growth, it will soon outstrip the pace of our economic development," warns Ayub, "and, believe me, the time may come when man may start eating man." Despite economic gains, the population growth in the last five years has held per capita income nearly steady—at a subsistence $50 a year per Pakistani. Less than 20% of the population can read or write, and the vast majority scratch out a living on forbidding land. Only 70,000 acres of arable land have been reclaimed for use, though Pakistan annually loses some 100,000 more through salinity and water-logging. Vast new drainage programs are needed. Ayub last week empowered a committee of experts to draw up a ten-year land reclamation plan—and with characteristic impatience, ordered that the plan be submitted to him in six weeks.

But the acid test of Ayub as a benign dictator still lies ahead: the transition from martial-law government back to civilian rule. The testing time is not far off. Ayub has promised that Pakistan will hold its presidential election next year. His constitional commission will report within the next month. Ayub knows what he wants: 1) a presidential system that gives the executive relative immunity from the legislature; 2) a lower house elected along U.S. lines, but without authority to whittle at government budgets as Congress can; 3) indirect election of both the president and legislature. The electors would be the 80,000 village elders elected under the "Basic Democracies" system that Ayub has already set up. Last year, these electors gave Ayub a 95.6% vote of confidence.

If he chooses to run for the presidency under the new constitution, there is little doubt that the electors will repeat their vote of confidence.

Read more: Pakistan: Ayub 's Acid Test - TIME
 
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At one time, when Pakistan was the most liberal and secular of nations, this country was the least corrupt nation in Asia.

PAKISTAN: The Benign Year
Monday, Nov. 02, 1959

"Long live martial law!" cried the peasants at village after village on the whistle-stop tour. Tall, strapping General Mohammed Ayub Khan, 52, dressed in open shirt and slacks, would lean from the doorway of his private railroad car and call: "How are you? How are the crops?" The village leader answered: "We are in perfect peace through your kindness." Others crowded round to beg Ayub to save them from a distasteful return of "democracy and politicians."


PAKISTAN: The Benign Year - TIME

BTWthe corruption in secular and liberal neighbour should clear you many things instead of Islamic democratic Pakistan.
 
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BTWthe corruption in secular and liberal neighbour should clear you many things instead of Islamic democratic Pakistan.

What has our situation got to do with our neighbors, we are two separate nations with two different paths?

But for you to cover your own ideology, you need to give an example of someone so that it clears your ideology of anything negative.
 
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What has our situation got to do with our neighbors, we are two separate nations with two different paths?

But for you to cover your own ideology, you need to give an example of someone so that it clears your ideology of anything negative.

My ideology is not to bring religion into every my discussion, accusing Pakistan not to be secular, accusing Islamic ideology for every negative happenings.

Secularism is not the solution of corruption as you decided with your thoughts and Islamic laws have everything to minimize corruption from Pakistani society or state. Only question 'how to implement". This is now habit of our people to look here & there for the solution of own problems but never want to find solution from the system under they are living.
 
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All I did was mention a pure fact and religious fervor made you take a defensive stance as if I am accusing religion of being the root cause of corruption.

Secular is by no means an antithesis of religion, its mere neutrality.

But you cannot shed the thoughts that have been so deeply ingrained that nothing can change them.

Keep at it.
 
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All I did was mention a pure fact and religious fervor made you take a defensive stance as if I am accusing religion of being the root cause of corruption.

Secular is by no means an antithesis of religion, its mere neutrality.

But you cannot shed the thoughts that have been so deeply ingrained that nothing can change them.

Keep at it.


My stance didn't come at defensive level, because defensive level is taken when nothing to say in advance but i am far far away from that level and i have to say much in advance.

BTW i will keep it up because i believe that solution always there where is problem. Additionally i want to say that there is only need to fix problematic elements and eliminate while considering implementation of Islamic laws and society will come out from corruption but main question "who will do that on government level"?

I am not saying that secularism is antithesis of religion but i am taking stand that why we should think over implementation of another ideology (which is now non absorbent in our society) when we have powerful ideology which can work effectively against corruption but was not applied and practiced properly.
 
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