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Are India’s Christians and Muslims Forced to Become Hindus?

But you can not stop them from coming back to the religion of their forefathers. People across the world are in mood to say good bye to Islam. People in european contries and esome Muslim countries are converting to christianity in big way. If they think that the religion they follow has a little to offer to them than they will naturally lean toward the other religion which may offer them peace and enlightment. Only one thing should be made sure that no force is used and Our government is doing that.
Let be honest here. You can only convert those who are illiterate and dont even have basic knowledge of their own religion. They buy you bribe and get in trap of those missionaries who sell religion to increase their numbers. Its quality matter more than quantity. Most educated Hindus even leaving superstitious and old customs of Hinduism and you are busy in converting people belong to different faiths lol

You dont need to worry about mumber of Muslims because it dominated world in few centuries and went to all corner of world in short period of time. You can try your best to convert Indian Muslims but if you have one who leave Islam then you see 1000 who join it daily so good luck :D
 
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Indian Muslims have always been weak.

The only Indian Muslim I respect is @mujhaidind

But he is too is obsessed with India..
 
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Indian Muslims have always been weak.

The only Indian Muslim I respect is @mujhaidind

But he is too is obsessed with India..
You are too obsessed with Pakistan. I am obessed with an undivided Indian-subcontinent with Muslims ruling and dominating like the good old glorious days.

Don't get fooled by like of razia sulatana and actepnl on pdf. Most of Indian Muslims have a similar mindset to me. Hinduwadis would label us as 'Anti-National'. :D
 
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You are too obsessed with Pakistan. I am obessed with an undivided Indian-subcontinent with Muslims ruling and dominating like the good old glorious days.

Don't get fooled by like of razia sulatana and actepnl on pdf. Most of Indian Muslims have a similar mindset to me. Hinduwadis would label us as 'Anti-National'. :D

Indian Muslims of today are no different from Hindus. The only real Indian Muslim I ever met was from Mumbai. When I see Indian Muslims in America today, they are weak and drink alcohol. When I call them out on their drinking alcohol, they start to apologize to me immediately. This pisses me off too much. I tell them, I am not your Allah swt, so why the **** you are apologizing to me?
 
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Let be honest here. You can only convert those who are illiterate and dont even have basic knowledge of their own religion. They buy you bribe and get in trap of those missionaries who sell religion to increase their numbers. Its quality matter more than quantity. Most educated Hindus even leaving superstitious and old customs of Hinduism and you are busy in converting people belong to different faiths lol

You dont need to worry about mumber of Muslims because it dominated world in few centuries and went to all corner of world in short period of time. You can try your best to convert Indian Muslims but if you have one who leave Islam then you see 1000 who join it daily so good luck :D

All the charges you made are far from truth. Even if they are true, those ways are much better than the ways Islam took to propogate.

Yes, Customes do not make religion. They are time specific. They changes with time. Today you can not tell me to apply a tilak on forehead while going for Job like my dady or Grand pa.

We are converting only those who want to come back willingly. We are not using the ways which are used in some radical countries. People are embressing christianity and Islam as well. You shoul tell allthis to them and not us.

And lastly, Frankly speaking, Islam is a big potential danger to our country and society. We have all the right to deal with this danger and stop rest of India to become an another Kashmir and Mallapuram from where Hindus have to flee to save themselves.
 
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Nice video, Spiritual ideas needs to be explored with the modern scientific Methods.

I like this equation OM = mc2

Jai Ram ji ki my dharmic brother @Srinivas . This isn't spirituality at all. It is at the very cutting edge of science. Top western scientists who're at the top of the game wouldn't waste time on mumbo-jumbo spirituality.
 
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PM Modi’s crucial development agenda is being disrupted by his own Hindu nationalist backers campaigning to “re-convert” Christians and Muslims to the ancient faith.
MUMBAI — As U.S. President Barack Obama’s three-day visit to India came to a close on Tuesday, he emphasized the importance of religious toleration, opining that India will be a great success “so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith.”

His comments have been widely interpreted, since, as a diplomatic reference to the partisan divide in parliament summed up by a single phrase, “ghar wapsi,” that might otherwise be associated with warm tidings. It means “homecomings.” And it is the name of a very ambitious Hindu nationalist campaign.

The goal of ghar wapsi is to bring members of minority religious groups—mostly Muslims and Christians—“back to Hinduism, back to their original home,” says Dharm Narayan Sharma, central secretary of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), one of India’s largest Hindu nationalist organizations. And he makes no apologies. “This is the work of India,” he told me.

The percentages certainly are with the Hindus, but the raw numbers spell potentially huge problems. Hindus make up roughly 81 percent of India’s 1.24 billion people, while, again, very roughly, 13 percent (161 million) are Muslim, and 2.3 percent (28.5 million) are Christians; 1.8 percent (22.3 million) are Sikhs and millions identify with other religions groups.

Hindu nationalist outfits like the VHP, armed with claims that Indian Muslims and Christians are descendants of Hindu forbears who were tricked or forced into converting in the past, have stirred controversy in recent months by holding several large “re-conversion” ceremonies across the country.

“We don’t believe in conversion,” Sharma stipulates. “It is re-conversion. We are just aiming to bring them back home.”

But amid allegations that many impoverished minorities have been coaxed or coerced into such “re-conversion ceremonies” with promises of monetary compensation, or preferential access to state welfare programs, it’s perhaps no wonder that these “homecomings” have been the subject of suspicion rather than praise.

Nine months ago the election of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, an avowed Hindu nationalist, put issues of religious tension in India back in the international spot-light. Modi’s tempestuous past includes a stint as chief minister of the State of Gujarat, where communal riots in 2002 claimed the lives of over a thousand people, mostly Muslims. But despite what many of his critics consider a sordid record on religious harmony, his promises of a platform geared towards economic development for all ultimately paid dividends as he and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) were swept into power last May.

The head of a local right-wing Hindu organization announced that his group’s goal is to “free” India of Muslims and Christians in the next five years.
Since then, however, the re-conversion furor has emerged as an obstacle to his development agenda, because it provokes such passions that it helps unite opposition against him.

In one particularly high profile incident, in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, the head of a local right-wing Hindu organization announced that his group’s goal is to “free” India of Muslims and Christians in the next five years.

“Issuing these sorts of threats, and using these methods, is both un-Hindu and un-Islamic,” said Ejaz Ahmad Aslam, All India secretary of the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind, one of India’s leading Muslim political parties. The Jamaat is among those groups demanding that the prime minister make his stance on the matter clear.

“It is a fundamental right to preach and propagate your religion,” Aslam told me, “but many of these groups are indulging in coercive methods. The PM must speak on this issue. He is the leader of the country. Why has he not spoken out against rabble rousers who say things like they will ‘finish Islam and Christianity’?”

Members of the political opposition like Priyanka Chaturvedi, national spokesperson for the Congress Party, are even more forthcoming in their criticisms. “The fact is that the VHP, and other groups of this nature were actively involved in getting the BJP to power,” she says. “Now they all believe they are active stakeholders in this government.”

She isn’t alone in her suspicions that the government is more cozy with the idea of “homecomings” than it is admitting. Mohan Guruswamy, a well known political analyst, traces Modi’s silence on the matter to his Hindu nationalist roots, saying, “As a believer in Hindu nationalism, Modi is committed to the goal of establishing India as a Hindu state. It has been on his and other groups’ agendas for a long time.”

Parliamentary Affairs Minister Venkaiya Naidu insists neither the government, nor the BJP, are involved in re-conversions. BJP national spokesperson GVL Narasimha Rao tells me, “The whole issue came up because of some stray incidents of Muslims being converted to Hinduism.” He says, “The opposition has been protesting these so-called forced conversions, but they happily welcome conversions to other religions away from Hinduism, and do not take issue with coercion used in that regard. We are against double standards.” Indeed, tight-wing Hindu groups have long complained about the role of Christian missionaries, and Muslim proselytizers.

There’s also an element of political opportunism. “This is not a new issue,” said Dipankar Gupta, a noted sociologist. “This re-conversion agenda has been held by right-wing Hindu groups since the 1920s. These elements thrive off of attention, and highlighting them as a major threat is more about political grandstanding. The opposition is going after low-hanging fruit in this case, they should be focusing on more substantive issues like development.”

In a recent interview with NDTV, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley claimed headlines that should be devoted to development are being “hijacked” by the re-conversion issue. His solution, in essence, would be new legislation. “In principle, if we bring about a law then conversions could happen, but in a more regulated manner,” said Rao. “There have been incidents of conversions happening in a stealthy manner. This would stop if you had a law to regulate the process.”

But politicians are the ones who make the laws, and Ashis Nandy, a noted sociologist and political psychologist, says “the idea of regulating such a process will undoubtedly open it up to influence from political groups and other interests.”

It’s important to note that 5 Indian states already have laws on the books that subject the process of religious conversion to state oversight. In Madhya Pradesh, Odisha, Chattisgarh, Himachal Pradesh, and Gujarat, those undergoing a religious conversion are subjected to a litany of bureaucratic measures that in many cases place a burden of proof upon the subjects to show that they are not being forced to change their faith.

Measures such as these might seem feasible in theory, warns Nandy, but the already burdensome nature of Indian bureaucracy means that several such cases simply end up being subjected to extraordinary delays in processing. “Bringing the state into such matters opens doors for corruption in many ways,” Nandy explained. “Taking such laws to the national level will ensure that the logjam does not end.”

Despite the many efforts at clarification by government officials, Modi’s decision to stay mum on the issue continues to serve as a sign to many of his unwillingness to confront openly the most divisive elements of his Hindu right-wing base.

“The idea of reviving Hindu nationalism has always been a part of the BJP program,” says Nandy. “Modi can’t be seen to disown it openly, as it would cause him to lose a small but influential section of his base, for whom Hindu nationalism and idea of re-conversion are integral.” The problem, says Nandy, is that “once the djinni is out of the box, it’s difficult to put him back in.”

When I asked Sharma what the VHP’s response was to the government’s claims that it does not support or advocate the re-conversion programs, his explanation was simple: “The job of those in parliament is to make the law, so they know about the law” he said. “We know about other things, and our intention is to bring people back to Hinduism.”


Are India’s Christians and Muslims Forced to Become Hindus? - The Daily Beast
It's a bitter medicine but one that cures many problems.

Top western scientists who're at the top of the game wouldn't waste time on mumbo-jumbo spirituality
Top Western Scientists would disagree with you. Quite vehemently in fact.

Especially true for those working in particle and quantum physics.
 
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Jai Ram ji ki my dharmic brother @Srinivas . This isn't spirituality at all. It is at the very cutting edge of science. Top western scientists who're at the top of the game wouldn't waste time on mumbo-jumbo spirituality.

The basic ideas like the consciousness, realms, mind those guys are talking about is Vedic Philosophy. Cutting edge science is a means to validate the Vedic thinking and experience, the ideas and experiences are all preserved in Vedas.
 
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PM Modi’s crucial development agenda is being disrupted by his own Hindu nationalist backers campaigning to “re-convert” Christians and Muslims to the ancient faith.
MUMBAI — As U.S. President Barack Obama’s three-day visit to India came to a close on Tuesday, he emphasized the importance of religious toleration, opining that India will be a great success “so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith.”

His comments have been widely interpreted, since, as a diplomatic reference to the partisan divide in parliament summed up by a single phrase, “ghar wapsi,” that might otherwise be associated with warm tidings. It means “homecomings.” And it is the name of a very ambitious Hindu nationalist campaign.

The goal of ghar wapsi is to bring members of minority religious groups—mostly Muslims and Christians—“back to Hinduism, back to their original home,” says Dharm Narayan Sharma, central secretary of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), one of India’s largest Hindu nationalist organizations. And he makes no apologies. “This is the work of India,” he told me.

The percentages certainly are with the Hindus, but the raw numbers spell potentially huge problems. Hindus make up roughly 81 percent of India’s 1.24 billion people, while, again, very roughly, 13 percent (161 million) are Muslim, and 2.3 percent (28.5 million) are Christians; 1.8 percent (22.3 million) are Sikhs and millions identify with other religions groups.

Hindu nationalist outfits like the VHP, armed with claims that Indian Muslims and Christians are descendants of Hindu forbears who were tricked or forced into converting in the past, have stirred controversy in recent months by holding several large “re-conversion” ceremonies across the country.

“We don’t believe in conversion,” Sharma stipulates. “It is re-conversion. We are just aiming to bring them back home.”

But amid allegations that many impoverished minorities have been coaxed or coerced into such “re-conversion ceremonies” with promises of monetary compensation, or preferential access to state welfare programs, it’s perhaps no wonder that these “homecomings” have been the subject of suspicion rather than praise.

Nine months ago the election of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, an avowed Hindu nationalist, put issues of religious tension in India back in the international spot-light. Modi’s tempestuous past includes a stint as chief minister of the State of Gujarat, where communal riots in 2002 claimed the lives of over a thousand people, mostly Muslims. But despite what many of his critics consider a sordid record on religious harmony, his promises of a platform geared towards economic development for all ultimately paid dividends as he and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) were swept into power last May.

The head of a local right-wing Hindu organization announced that his group’s goal is to “free” India of Muslims and Christians in the next five years.
Since then, however, the re-conversion furor has emerged as an obstacle to his development agenda, because it provokes such passions that it helps unite opposition against him.

In one particularly high profile incident, in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, the head of a local right-wing Hindu organization announced that his group’s goal is to “free” India of Muslims and Christians in the next five years.

“Issuing these sorts of threats, and using these methods, is both un-Hindu and un-Islamic,” said Ejaz Ahmad Aslam, All India secretary of the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind, one of India’s leading Muslim political parties. The Jamaat is among those groups demanding that the prime minister make his stance on the matter clear.

“It is a fundamental right to preach and propagate your religion,” Aslam told me, “but many of these groups are indulging in coercive methods. The PM must speak on this issue. He is the leader of the country. Why has he not spoken out against rabble rousers who say things like they will ‘finish Islam and Christianity’?”

Members of the political opposition like Priyanka Chaturvedi, national spokesperson for the Congress Party, are even more forthcoming in their criticisms. “The fact is that the VHP, and other groups of this nature were actively involved in getting the BJP to power,” she says. “Now they all believe they are active stakeholders in this government.”

She isn’t alone in her suspicions that the government is more cozy with the idea of “homecomings” than it is admitting. Mohan Guruswamy, a well known political analyst, traces Modi’s silence on the matter to his Hindu nationalist roots, saying, “As a believer in Hindu nationalism, Modi is committed to the goal of establishing India as a Hindu state. It has been on his and other groups’ agendas for a long time.”

Parliamentary Affairs Minister Venkaiya Naidu insists neither the government, nor the BJP, are involved in re-conversions. BJP national spokesperson GVL Narasimha Rao tells me, “The whole issue came up because of some stray incidents of Muslims being converted to Hinduism.” He says, “The opposition has been protesting these so-called forced conversions, but they happily welcome conversions to other religions away from Hinduism, and do not take issue with coercion used in that regard. We are against double standards.” Indeed, tight-wing Hindu groups have long complained about the role of Christian missionaries, and Muslim proselytizers.

There’s also an element of political opportunism. “This is not a new issue,” said Dipankar Gupta, a noted sociologist. “This re-conversion agenda has been held by right-wing Hindu groups since the 1920s. These elements thrive off of attention, and highlighting them as a major threat is more about political grandstanding. The opposition is going after low-hanging fruit in this case, they should be focusing on more substantive issues like development.”

In a recent interview with NDTV, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley claimed headlines that should be devoted to development are being “hijacked” by the re-conversion issue. His solution, in essence, would be new legislation. “In principle, if we bring about a law then conversions could happen, but in a more regulated manner,” said Rao. “There have been incidents of conversions happening in a stealthy manner. This would stop if you had a law to regulate the process.”

But politicians are the ones who make the laws, and Ashis Nandy, a noted sociologist and political psychologist, says “the idea of regulating such a process will undoubtedly open it up to influence from political groups and other interests.”

It’s important to note that 5 Indian states already have laws on the books that subject the process of religious conversion to state oversight. In Madhya Pradesh, Odisha, Chattisgarh, Himachal Pradesh, and Gujarat, those undergoing a religious conversion are subjected to a litany of bureaucratic measures that in many cases place a burden of proof upon the subjects to show that they are not being forced to change their faith.

Measures such as these might seem feasible in theory, warns Nandy, but the already burdensome nature of Indian bureaucracy means that several such cases simply end up being subjected to extraordinary delays in processing. “Bringing the state into such matters opens doors for corruption in many ways,” Nandy explained. “Taking such laws to the national level will ensure that the logjam does not end.”

Despite the many efforts at clarification by government officials, Modi’s decision to stay mum on the issue continues to serve as a sign to many of his unwillingness to confront openly the most divisive elements of his Hindu right-wing base.

“The idea of reviving Hindu nationalism has always been a part of the BJP program,” says Nandy. “Modi can’t be seen to disown it openly, as it would cause him to lose a small but influential section of his base, for whom Hindu nationalism and idea of re-conversion are integral.” The problem, says Nandy, is that “once the djinni is out of the box, it’s difficult to put him back in.”

When I asked Sharma what the VHP’s response was to the government’s claims that it does not support or advocate the re-conversion programs, his explanation was simple: “The job of those in parliament is to make the law, so they know about the law” he said. “We know about other things, and our intention is to bring people back to Hinduism.”


Are India’s Christians and Muslims Forced to Become Hindus? - The Daily Beast
All of them are being forced to convert so to save their lives they show them as converts but when RSS gangsters leave they start praying and follow Islam. This was exposed by your own media.
 
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Top Western Scientists would disagree with you. Quite vehemently in fact.

Especially true for those working in particle and quantum physics.

The materialists would disagree with me. The scientists I quoted in my second post in this thread are also western and far more accomplished than the likes of Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins.

The basic ideas like the consciousness, realms, mind those guys are talking about is Vedic Philosophy. Cutting edge science is only a means to validate the Vedic thinking, the ideas and experiences are all preserved in Vedas.

Precisely the reason for OM = MC^2.

By the way, how many of us have read materialist Sam Harris's new book 'Waking Up'? Full of praise for Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta. Do read it folks :D
 
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All of them are being forced to convert so to save their lives they show them as converts but when RSS gangsters leave they start praying and follow Islam. This was exposed by your own media.

India ke musalmaan darpok aur beghairat hain. Apni bhen, baiti, Hinduo ko dete hain apni hafaazat karne ki liyeh. Apni izzat hindu'o ko dete hain.
 
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India ke musalmaan darpok aur beghairat hain. Apni bhen, baiti, Hinduo ko dete hain apni hafaazat karne ki liyeh. Apni izzat hindu'o dete hain.

These Pakistanis are a hilarious breed :rofl:
 
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India ke musalmaan darpok aur beghairat hain. Apni bhen, baiti, Hinduo ko dete hain apni hafaazat karne ki liyeh. Apni izzat hindu'o dete hain.
If 10 Muslim girls marry Hindus then there are 1000 Hindu girls marrying Muslims.
 
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These Pakistanis are a hilarious breed :rofl:

We certainly have a sense of humor, but you Indians are above and beyond. Sending a probe to Mars, inviting Obama to acknowledge your call centers and IT sectors, leaving over half of your population in hunger. You dare to call yourselves a super power, when a woman was gang-raped on your public transport in your national capitol. Where were the police? Watching the latest Dabang film? :lol:
 
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