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I guess my cousin was lying then...........................so was his mom as I remember she also once stated that.
Are Christians Safe in Muslim Lands? Honestly?
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I guess my cousin was lying then...........................so was his mom as I remember she also once stated that.
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Would you like to say Our Lord JC in ur prayers?
Interestingly, in my school muslims weer not allowed to enter the church! I attempted like 3 different times back in the day but failed!
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Just re read ur post....................... the fact remains he was a christian......... BTW stop being a biach & a chamcha.
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Suspected suicide bomber kills 21 in attack on Egyptian church
By Bill Roggio, January 1, 2011
A car bomb attack outside a Coptic Christian church in Alexandria, Egypt, that killed 21 people is thought to have been carried out by a suicide bomber. The blast took place less that two weeks after al Qaeda in Iraq threatened to kill Christians.
A car packed with explosives was detonated outside the Al Qiddissine church just after midnight on New Years Day as Coptic Christians were celebrating the new year. The massive blast destroyed the church and damaged a nearby mosque. In the explosion, 21 people were killed and more than 80 were wounded.
Egypt's Interior Ministry said it believes the attack was carried out by a suicide bomber, and that "foreign elements undertook planning and execution."
"It is likely that the device which exploded was carried by a suicide bomber who died among others," according to a statement released by the ministry.
The bombing occurred just 10 days after al Qaeda in Iraq issued a statement on the Internet threatening to attack churches in Iraq and kill Christians. In the statement, al Qaeda in Iraq said Christians must take several steps to avoid being targeted, and specifically mentioned Copts in Egypt.
"First, to publically disown what the lords of the Egyptian Church did in their war against our sisters and brothers of those who converted to Islam, and criticize them," the statement read, according to a translation of the statement by Flashpoint Partners, a consulting firm that tracks jihadist media.
Al Qaeda in Iraq released the statement almost two months after it carried out the Nov. 1 suicide assault on a Christian church in Baghdad. More than 52 Iraqis, mostly Christians, were killed in the siege.
Egyptian terrorist leadership has made attacks on Coptic Christians a cornerstone of its strategy. Back in 1981, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the "blind sheikh" who is currently in US custody for his role in the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, advocated attacks on Coptic churches. In a fatwa, or religious edict, issued in the spring of that year, Rahman called for "the robbery and killing of Copts in furtherance of the jihad". Rahman was the leader of the Tanzim al Jihad, the predecessor of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Ayman al Zawahiri's terror group which merged with al Qaeda.
The attacks were likely carried out by al Qaeda offshoots related to the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Egypt has banned the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and many of its leaders are in prison. Two al Qaeda-linked groups, the Abdullah Azzam Brigades, which is named after al Qaeda's co-founder, and Tawhid and Jihad (Monotheism and Jihad) Group in Egypt, have claimed to have carried out attacks in Egypt since 2004.
In October 2004, three suicide attacks in the Sinai Peninsula at the Hilton Taba and at a campsite frequented by Israelis killed 34 people and wounded 171 more. Egyptian security forces claimed that a Palestinian named Iyad Saleh had recruited Egyptians and Bedouins to carry out attacks in Israel but attacked in Egypt instead.
In July 2005, 88 people were killed and more than 150 were wounded in a series of bombings at cafes and markets frequented by foreigners in the Red Sea resort town of Sharm al Sheikh. Both the Abdullah Azzam Brigades and the Tawhid and Jihad claimed they had carried out the Sharm al Sheikh bombings.
In April 2006, 23 people were killed and more than 80 were wounded in bombings at two cafes and a market in Dahab on the Gulf of Aqaba coast of the Sinai Peninsula. Tawid and Jihad in Egypt claimed it had carried out the bombings.
Read more: Suspected suicide bomber kills 21 in attack on Egyptian church - The Long War Journal
By Bill Roggio, January 1, 2011
A car bomb attack outside a Coptic Christian church in Alexandria, Egypt, that killed 21 people is thought to have been carried out by a suicide bomber. The blast took place less that two weeks after al Qaeda in Iraq threatened to kill Christians.
A car packed with explosives was detonated outside the Al Qiddissine church just after midnight on New Years Day as Coptic Christians were celebrating the new year. The massive blast destroyed the church and damaged a nearby mosque. In the explosion, 21 people were killed and more than 80 were wounded.
Egypt's Interior Ministry said it believes the attack was carried out by a suicide bomber, and that "foreign elements undertook planning and execution."
"It is likely that the device which exploded was carried by a suicide bomber who died among others," according to a statement released by the ministry.
The bombing occurred just 10 days after al Qaeda in Iraq issued a statement on the Internet threatening to attack churches in Iraq and kill Christians. In the statement, al Qaeda in Iraq said Christians must take several steps to avoid being targeted, and specifically mentioned Copts in Egypt.
"First, to publically disown what the lords of the Egyptian Church did in their war against our sisters and brothers of those who converted to Islam, and criticize them," the statement read, according to a translation of the statement by Flashpoint Partners, a consulting firm that tracks jihadist media.
Al Qaeda in Iraq released the statement almost two months after it carried out the Nov. 1 suicide assault on a Christian church in Baghdad. More than 52 Iraqis, mostly Christians, were killed in the siege.
Egyptian terrorist leadership has made attacks on Coptic Christians a cornerstone of its strategy. Back in 1981, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the "blind sheikh" who is currently in US custody for his role in the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, advocated attacks on Coptic churches. In a fatwa, or religious edict, issued in the spring of that year, Rahman called for "the robbery and killing of Copts in furtherance of the jihad". Rahman was the leader of the Tanzim al Jihad, the predecessor of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Ayman al Zawahiri's terror group which merged with al Qaeda.
The attacks were likely carried out by al Qaeda offshoots related to the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Egypt has banned the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and many of its leaders are in prison. Two al Qaeda-linked groups, the Abdullah Azzam Brigades, which is named after al Qaeda's co-founder, and Tawhid and Jihad (Monotheism and Jihad) Group in Egypt, have claimed to have carried out attacks in Egypt since 2004.
In October 2004, three suicide attacks in the Sinai Peninsula at the Hilton Taba and at a campsite frequented by Israelis killed 34 people and wounded 171 more. Egyptian security forces claimed that a Palestinian named Iyad Saleh had recruited Egyptians and Bedouins to carry out attacks in Israel but attacked in Egypt instead.
In July 2005, 88 people were killed and more than 150 were wounded in a series of bombings at cafes and markets frequented by foreigners in the Red Sea resort town of Sharm al Sheikh. Both the Abdullah Azzam Brigades and the Tawhid and Jihad claimed they had carried out the Sharm al Sheikh bombings.
In April 2006, 23 people were killed and more than 80 were wounded in bombings at two cafes and a market in Dahab on the Gulf of Aqaba coast of the Sinai Peninsula. Tawid and Jihad in Egypt claimed it had carried out the bombings.
Read more: Suspected suicide bomber kills 21 in attack on Egyptian church - The Long War Journal
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Only safe as Muslims when a drone attack kills people it kills both Christians and Muslims oh wait the drone attacks only hits mosques I forgot
May be someone was angry on new years
You know just the other day I heard some drone killed 11 innocent people in village from drone attack and I have full sympathy to the ones that lost their lives
And of course you can be sad about the christians as such acts should not happen and similarly drones should not be flying any where with in 1000 km of Pakistan air space
May be someone was angry on new years
You know just the other day I heard some drone killed 11 innocent people in village from drone attack and I have full sympathy to the ones that lost their lives
And of course you can be sad about the christians as such acts should not happen and similarly drones should not be flying any where with in 1000 km of Pakistan air space
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AZADPAKISTAN2009, Sir,
Your post is just irrelevant, pro-Taliban propaganda. It has no bearing on the topic of this thread. How many Christians have the USA drone attacks killed? Maybe the drones have struck no Christian Churches, because Christian Churches are not allowed in North Waziristan. What do you think? Are there any Christian Churches in North Waziristan? (PS, see the thread topic, your answer to this question might be relevant.) And when has a drone strike ever struck a Mosque? Can you document drone strikes on Mosques? (Not Wahabi madrassahs, they don't count as Mosques, right? Because, of course, the Taliban jihadists do not represent true Islam, right?)
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You are too late with this question ajtr, it was already asked in post #2 of this thread. The immediate reaction of some here at this Forum to an assertion of minority religious community difficulties in a Muslim land. Typical evasion of the issue. Attack the thread with off-topic crap. And keep attacking the thread with off-topic crap until the thread is so disrupted, the Mods erase it. Good strategy. It will probably work.
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Actually, it is you who evades the issue.
You have yet to answer the points in my post.
But you won't, because you are not interested in facts or a dialog. You have already made up your mind, and are only interested in promoting your propaganda by posting selective news items.
That is not a discussion. It is a monolog.
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Developero, Sir,
You have only one previous post in this thread. And all it says is: "I would say that most Christians are doing quite well in Pakistan."
What is it that I am supposed to say about your post that would be "dialog"? I think your conclusion is patronizing to the Christians of Pakistan. I would bet that if you did a scientific poll of them they would not agree with your analysis. Certainly they do not agree with the way the blasphemy law is used against them nor do they agree with the prohibitions about converting Muslims to their faith. And most of your points are veiled criticisms of the "West" that are totally invalid exaggerations of the real situation of Muslims in the West. I didn't answer these because they are not true and not relevant to the thread topic.
The thread isn't specifically about Pakistan. In fact, most of the news articles that I have posted are not about Pakistan at all. In the interest of "dialog" what do you have to say about the events in Nigeria, Egypt and Iraq that I posted?
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Like I said, you are selectively focusing on convenient news articles to push your agenda. This being PDF, we will focus on Pakistan. I am sure you can get a proper dialog going about those other countries in the appriopriate forum.
The fact is that the vast majority of non-Muslims in Pakistan, including Christians, are doing quite well. They are first class citizens who are free to wear what they wish, pray where they wish, and work where they wish. Whatever difficulties they face with lack of governance, they do so alongside their Muslim compatriots
Certainly, there are abuses of law, but the vast majority of victims of the blasphemy law are Muslims, not Christians. This is a failure of law enforcement which affects all Pakistanis, Muslim and Christian, alike. It is only your agenda which makes you see everything as a Muslim v/s Christian issue.
The points I raised were central to the discussion about tolerance for other faiths. All of my points remain valid and, by their virtue, I will reassert that, leaving aside economic and governance issues, Pakistan is a more hospitable place for Christians than many part of the West are for Muslims post 9/11.
I backed my assertion with facts about laws that affect every single Muslim in a given country. What do you have besides selective news clippings?
P.S. My oblique cricism of the West is aimed at European countries. Most Anglophone countries, including US, Australia and Britain, are very good towards their Muslim citizens.
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Looks like the "peaceful believers" are not content to persecute non-Muslims in the Dar al-Islam. They also want to pursue these minorities into the Dar al-Harb.
Coptic church officials on alert around the world
Charles Platiau/Reuters
The Coptic church targeted in the New Years attack in Alexandria, Egypt, was found on a list of targets that includes Coptic churches in Western Europe, the US, and Australia, prompting fear that some of those other churches may be the next target.
The list was found on Shumukh-al-Islam, an Islamist website linked to Al Qaeda, CNN reported. It first appeared on Dec. 2, but churches were not alarmed until after the attack in Egypt. There is concern that there will be more attacks on or around Jan. 7, when the Copts celebrate Christmas.
The website called on Muslims to assist to assist with attacks on those churches, the Herald Sun in Australia reports.
A message announcing "bomb attacks against churches during Christmas ... when they will be most crowded" was posted alongside the list of would-be targets.
"Get up and give up sleep," said the message.
"This is an important notice on bomb attacks against churches during Christmas," it said.
It urged "every Muslim who cares about the honor of his sisters to bomb these churches during Christmas celebrations, when they will be most crowded".
European countries home to churches included on the list have ratcheted up security in varying degrees.
In the Netherlands, police have been told to keep a close on eye on Coptic churches, according to De Telegraaf. There are churches on the list in Amsterdam, Utrecht, and Eindhoven. Meanwhile, France has heightened security around its 19 churches, and Germany and Britain are also on a heightened alert, CNN reports.
In Canada, private security companies have been hired to protect churchgoers during Christmas and in some places police patrols have been increased near churches, the Ottawa Citizen reports.
Last month, the same website also published a list of Coptic individuals around the world complete with photos, addresses, and phone numbers who have been vocal about their opposition to Islam, apparently noting them as targets. The website accused them of playing a role in attempts to convert Muslims, The Toronto Star reported.
The list contains the names of more than 200 Arab Christians living in Egypt, Europe, and North America, more than half of whom live in Canada.
Coptic church officials on alert around the world - CSMonitor.com
Coptic church officials on alert around the world
Charles Platiau/Reuters
The Coptic church targeted in the New Years attack in Alexandria, Egypt, was found on a list of targets that includes Coptic churches in Western Europe, the US, and Australia, prompting fear that some of those other churches may be the next target.
The list was found on Shumukh-al-Islam, an Islamist website linked to Al Qaeda, CNN reported. It first appeared on Dec. 2, but churches were not alarmed until after the attack in Egypt. There is concern that there will be more attacks on or around Jan. 7, when the Copts celebrate Christmas.
The website called on Muslims to assist to assist with attacks on those churches, the Herald Sun in Australia reports.
A message announcing "bomb attacks against churches during Christmas ... when they will be most crowded" was posted alongside the list of would-be targets.
"Get up and give up sleep," said the message.
"This is an important notice on bomb attacks against churches during Christmas," it said.
It urged "every Muslim who cares about the honor of his sisters to bomb these churches during Christmas celebrations, when they will be most crowded".
European countries home to churches included on the list have ratcheted up security in varying degrees.
In the Netherlands, police have been told to keep a close on eye on Coptic churches, according to De Telegraaf. There are churches on the list in Amsterdam, Utrecht, and Eindhoven. Meanwhile, France has heightened security around its 19 churches, and Germany and Britain are also on a heightened alert, CNN reports.
In Canada, private security companies have been hired to protect churchgoers during Christmas and in some places police patrols have been increased near churches, the Ottawa Citizen reports.
Last month, the same website also published a list of Coptic individuals around the world complete with photos, addresses, and phone numbers who have been vocal about their opposition to Islam, apparently noting them as targets. The website accused them of playing a role in attempts to convert Muslims, The Toronto Star reported.
The list contains the names of more than 200 Arab Christians living in Egypt, Europe, and North America, more than half of whom live in Canada.
Coptic church officials on alert around the world - CSMonitor.com
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The problem is that population of Muslim countries is sky rocketing. And many of these countries are poor and thus many of these people can't attend proper schools who will give them a proper education.
And thus conspiracy nonsense, stereotypes, racial prejudices seep into their thinking. And thus of the legions of young people who are not properly educated, a small percentage can be duped into thinking the worst of non-Muslims.
So terrorism and attacks against religious minorities will never end, it can only be tamped down by huge police actions. As soon as the police guards go away, then they are at risk of being attacked.
And thus conspiracy nonsense, stereotypes, racial prejudices seep into their thinking. And thus of the legions of young people who are not properly educated, a small percentage can be duped into thinking the worst of non-Muslims.
So terrorism and attacks against religious minorities will never end, it can only be tamped down by huge police actions. As soon as the police guards go away, then they are at risk of being attacked.
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Funn thing is that no Christians are murdering folks in Mosques.
The latest Egyptian Muslim terrorist bombing killed both Christians in and outside the church...but also collapsed a mosque next door and killed numerous Muslims, too.
When will you tire of dealing in excuses for murdering thugs who are ruining the name of a major faith system, Islam by their heretical to Islam murderous actions?
I don't expect you to become a Christian and you can be sure no one I know is emamored to become a Muslim in this environment of radical religious persections among and between Muslims, let alone against other faiths such as Christianity. Sheer insanity starting with 911 and ever since then.
The latest Egyptian Muslim terrorist bombing killed both Christians in and outside the church...but also collapsed a mosque next door and killed numerous Muslims, too.
When will you tire of dealing in excuses for murdering thugs who are ruining the name of a major faith system, Islam by their heretical to Islam murderous actions?
I don't expect you to become a Christian and you can be sure no one I know is emamored to become a Muslim in this environment of radical religious persections among and between Muslims, let alone against other faiths such as Christianity. Sheer insanity starting with 911 and ever since then.
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