'Architecture of fascist state'

[lem34]

cheng is the veena malik of the forum. lol

 

[untitled]

...........are no different than all other hypocritical policies of all other governments, so I do not see any reason to single out USA for such criticism. That is all.

Even when the US is at the forefront of putting embargoes, restrictions or declaring war on those hypocritical states

cheng is the veena malik of the forum. lol

That is a bit harsh

 

[53fd]

...........are no different than all other hypocritical policies of all other governments, so I do not see any reason to single out USA for such criticism. That is all.

But don't you claim that the US government is different from ones in other nations; it's not hypocritical & a noble example for others to follow?

 

[Desert Fox]

...........are no different than all other hypocritical policies of all other governments, so I do not see any reason to single out USA for such criticism. That is all.

So in other words your saying that it is ok that the hypocritical US gov. is supporting the same people who are responsible for the deaths of 3,000 innocent Americans who died on 9/11?

My God, your spitting right on the graves of those people who died on that tragic day, and all of those men and women who sacrificed their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, and those men and women who lost a limb or a loved one, and those countless others who are suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, by justifying the support to a terrorists organization. People like you don't have any shame, no feelings, and talk nonsense just for the sake of it.

Shame on you.

 

[VCheng]

But don't you claim that the US government is different from ones in other nations: it's not hypocritical & a noble example for others to follow?

Not at all.

USA is a collection of human beings, the good, the bad and the ugly, just like all other countries on Earth, no more, no less. It is only that their status as a superpower has behind it the most hard work and most ingenuity so far than any other nation on Earth so far, with the results speaking for themselves.

All other nations are welcome to do the same, because, just like every other great power in history, USA will also decay away, albeit not anytime soon.

 

[53fd]

Not at all.

USA is a collection of human beings, the good, the bad and the ugly, just like all other countries on Earth, no more, no less. It is only that their status as a superpower has behind it the most hard work and most ingenuity so far than any other nation on Earth so far, with the results speaking for themselves.

All other nations are welcome to do the same, because, just like every other great power in history, USA will also decay away, albeit not anytime soon.

I appreciate your honesty, & I agree with you there. But sometimes I find it hard to believe, looking at the state of American society these days, that this is where great people (thinkers & leaders) like Thomas Jefferson & Benjamin Franklin came from.

 

[VCheng]

I appreciate your honesty, & I agree with you there. But sometimes I find it hard to believe, looking at the state of America these days, that this is where great people (thinkers & leaders) like Thomas Jefferson & Benjamin Franklin came from.

Thank you for saying that; I am misunderstood by many here and called even worse by some, but it is only to be expected when one speaks the truth impartially. No matter.

All other nations have had their great minds too. The current phase in the US with its associated malaise will recover in due course too.

 

[53fd]

Thank you for saying that; I am misunderstood by many here and called even worse by some, but it is only to be expected when one speaks the truth impartially. No matter.

All other nations have had their great minds too. The current phase in the US with its associated malaise will recover in due course too.

Yes, let's hope for the best. America was founded on great ideals like the Bill of Rights, & it is failing to live up to them. A lot of people, including a one very outspoken Indian (who's currently serving a ban right now) accuse me of many things too, even though I am a citizen of this country as well.

 

[VCheng]

........................... America was founded on great ideals like the Bill of Rights, & it is failing to live up to them..........................

When the realization of falling short of its founding ideals builds up enough momentum, the rectification will being in earnest as well. It will happen surely.

 

[53fd]

When the realization of falling short of its founding ideals builds up enough momentum, the rectification will being in earnest as well. It will happen surely.

Yes, but when people like me question the government's lack of will/desire to uphold this country's founding ideals, I am labeled as an America hater, a ******ist sympathizer, on this very forum.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, but when people like me question the government's lack of will/desire to uphold this country's founding ideals, I am labeled as an America hater, a ******ist sympathizer, on this very forum.

Just develop a thick skin and carry on!

 

[53fd]

Just develop a thick skin and carry on!

How do you think I'm managing to continue on, especially when the members pertaining to one nation in particular are trying to get under my skin all the time

 

[Birbal]

cheng is the veena malik of the forum. lol

At least Veena Malik doesn't apply double standards.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thank you for saying that; I am misunderstood by many here and called even worse by some, but it is only to be expected when one speaks the truth impartially. No matter.

All other nations have had their great minds too. The current phase in the US with its associated malaise will recover in due course too.

 

[Oldman1]

Indefinite detention: 'Architecture of fascist state'

Published: 15 December, 2011, 11:31
Edited: 15 December, 2011, 16:18

PAUL J. RICHARDS / AFP

Indefinite detention: 'Architecture of fascist state' — RT


Terror suspects in America could be held in prison indefinitely – without charge or trial. The military will be able to take custody of alleged terrorists virtually without question. Critics say this would be a stark violation of human rights.

*The controversial National Defense Authorization Act, which was met with criticism from human rights activists, faced a presidential veto, but since last month Obama has retracted his warning.

“The White House explained it would veto the bill because these provisions, mandating military custody amount to a restriction of president’s authority,” explains John Glaser, assistant editor at Antiwar.com.

“But in truth it’s reasonable to assume that a veto threat was a mere political theater, because Senator Carl Levin one of the provision’s primary authors revealed during senate debate that it was the Obama administration itself who requested the inclusion of language mandating military detentions, including US citizens. So you could say the administration never changed their minds, it was just a sort of doing it for public consumption,” he told RT.

Obama’s current position is in sharp contrast to the promises to shut down Guantanamo Bay he gave during the election campaign.

“I am skeptical it was ever Obama’s plan to actually do that. He faced some congressional backlash for wanting to close Guantanamo Bay so early, but he has already agreed to indefinite detention of people that are left into Guantanamo. And that bill has within it language that would prevent transfer from Guantanamo to US prisons and any sort of US trials for people, who are still at Guantanamo right now. I think people were just fooled by Obama’s promises, regarding Guantanamo,” the activists pointed out.

Radio host, Ralph Schoenman says that under the new law the US military will be entitled to “disappear” American citizens for offences that are never even made public – and not only that.

“If you look carefully at this legislation, if you have a family or a friend who publicizes that you’ve disappeared they too can be detained. If anybody helps you with a taxi ride or attempts to give assistance to your family in the circumstances of your disappearance, they too can be detained. This is the architecture of the fascist state,” he told RT.

You realize this is RT right? Very anti-USA.