Arabs slam Pak stand on Yemen and Call on Pakistani Parliament to Fall in Line

[Wolfhound]

You are making fun of Pakistanis and the suicide bombings they are suffering. What are you trying to say because last I heard US had it in mind to support the mujahideen and invade Afghanistan with their support in the 1980's

This guy is a prick he even made fun of the Peshawar massacre and got permabanned. He should be banned again

 

[Hyperion]

Stop being so diplomatic. We are a soveriegn nation, at least trying to be one. We decided what we decided, no ones business to criticize us. I eat such warning for breakfast and pass them out in two minutes, helps me digest better.

Forget Pakistani forces teaching them a lesson. Just 20 ships filled with tribals would do the job on the shores of UAE. Our war call to them would be "Loot lo Dubai ko"!

I think we also were a little rough in our response. Atleast I think so. Although I agree with not joining this new drama, but that doesnt mean its due to any love for Iran or these new moron houttis. SA/UAE may not be aware of the war already being fought with in country but thats just another common trait of arabs, high on oil and unaware of their surroundings.

I take their "request" as orders, so much so as if, " Drop what you are doing right now, screw your own citizens and come fight our wars for us".

I think Pakistan should have conveyed the message much better and clearer. Tell them we are busy, we are with you in opposition to militants overthrowing govts. but not militarily, at least for the moment.

Which guy? Name him.

This guy is a prick he even made fun of the Peshawar massacre and got permabanned. He should be banned again

 

[scythian500]

I believe the larger question is (amongst us sunnis) why almost all suicide bombers are of sunni heritage. Why we sunnis have produced nothing but suicide bombers and terrorists. I mean in the past 10 years I have never heard about the concept of a shia suicide bomber. I think this is something we can learn from the shia world. And I think we need to look at ourselves objectively.

@Rakan.SA btw who is very abusive to shias may disagree but this is my assessment.

I have my conclusions but you might not agree...
I see the reason as follow:
1- Shia fiqh is very much emphasizing on logic and "ما حکم به العقل، حکم به الشرع" .... I had a very diverse study a few months back... Shia scholars are more of science based... logic... philosophy... Kalam (Science of reasoning)...

2- Shia spiritual leaders are mostly very much modern and mostly are aware of other sciences... Most Mojtahids in Iran and Iraq (Sistani, Khamenei, Behjat, khorasani, Lankarani, Fazlallah in Lebanon) are comprehensive religious hakims... they study science, politics, social sciences, etc.... this makes them think twice before any fitva or speeches... Shias are loyal to these spiritual men... what they preach has an effect on shia people even to illiterate shias in rural areas...

3- I once was in a summer camp when I was in high school... there were 3 Sunni campers from Baluchistan in our tent... they had very much the same kind of reasoning as today's Takfiris...

4- Shia has an element in their sector called "the rule of time and place in Fiqh".. every year or so... shia senior religious mullahs gather up to discuss changes need to be done into Ahkam and Fiqh due to the changes TIME (21th century) and PLACE (what country, what geopolitical situation, etc) in world and our lives...

5- the main influential centers of shia world are Iran and Lebanon, Azerbaijan and Iraq... most of people of these countries are literate and relatively modern with international standards in their way of thinking..and their connection with global culture... this has its own influence on other shias from different backgrounds...

6- Main characters of shia people are prophet muhammad (pbuh), Imam Ali (a.s) and Imam Hussein (a.s)... the majority of these characters' teachings are of MERCI (Rahma) to weaker people... helping poorer ones... taking the side of Mazloom where ever they are...

There are few other reasons but this is what I remember from my research and it might be wrong...but this is what I came to...

 

[Strigon]

Stop being so diplomatic. We are a soveriegn nation, at least trying to be one. We did decided what we decided, no ones business to criticize us. I eat such warning for breakfast and pass them out in two minutes, helps my digest better.

Forget Pakistani forces teaching them a lesson. Just 20 ships filled with tribals would do the job on the shores of UAE. Our war call to them would be "Loot lo Dubai ko"!

No one should be losing any sleep over their paper bag warnings. Whats the worst they can do? SA behead more people without trials? UAE expel Pakistani labor force or hold their passports hostage? All for the reason Pakistan didn't join, not because of angering anyone but finishing off our own fight? If they don't understand something as simple as that then I believe we are arguing with idiots. Unfortunately, in international relations one has to be diplomatic.

 

[SBD-3]

Nah brother. I don't think so. One thing you can be assured of is the size of our balls and sheer stupidity that works wonders for us.

Look at our size and the fingers we have put up others. If it were some sort of competition of survivors, we would be the last man standing.

Ahan well more than 80 pct of these troubles were created by none other than ourselves. I dont think undoing one's own deed deserves a credit other than may be an appriciation for self disciplining.

 

[DeathInvader]

Somebody check if Pakistan's submarine deal is still alive. I have a strong feeling that it got called off.

 

[Husnainshah]

India and her false ego. The most common disease in the Indian territory. Well India can try and raise a voice against GCCs coalition and test her dignity.

Is it his nationality or ya really don't agree with him?
I mean Bharat did have The President of The Unites States apologizing. Something Pakistan couldn't get even after the death of 23 of it's soldiers(Salala).

Purely pressure tactics, Pakistan has its own mind and destiny, we need to believe in our selves, the only thing our leadership lacks is the belief in itself and the nation.

People are sensitive. A word against Arabs would be considered blasphemy. Pakistan could send a message to UAE by signing an important document with regards to Gwadar port. There's really too many ways to give a shut up call that's beyond your average Joe's comprehension. It's important to send a message to UAE and The International Community.

 

[Sage]

Because you know that you just popped in the whole party

 

[scythian500]

I am actually trying to be as neutral as possible despite my negative views on Wahabism as such. But i must admit that there are some things about Iran I like. Iran is perhaps the only country to stand beside the Palestinians though I do not support its role in Syria to support a regime killing its own people. They have also successfully defied Israel and the US. That is a strong foreign policy I see. I am also sympathetic to an Iran with a nuclear weapon though I do not claim they are trying to procure one. US has nukes and occupies 2 countries close to Iran. Israel has nuclear weapons which even arab countries do not protest despite fighting some wars with them. They are tolerated as a nuclear power.

Thanks for reminding me as I may seem close to Iran but I hope to play a neutral role on this forum. Neither too close to Iran nor with Saudia, sometimes I fail. Pakistan has to guard her own interests and we cannot fall to the same shia sunni hatred in Saudia and Iran. We have a responsibility to our shia minority too to secure their interests and if they say no war in Yemen I am ready to stand by them. I believe Saudi is behaving childishly. I don't see the role of the center of the islamic world as many Saudi's see themselves to be involved in a brutal sectarian war instead of leaving things up to the people. The role of an Islamic core state would be to diffuse tensions instead of exacerbating them. Iran is behaving poorly in Syria the gulf states in Yemen. Thats how I personally see things.

But anyone can have any opinion, its just about how they put it...

Regarding Iran supporting every weak side but why Syria? I should say... First when peaceful demonstrations started... Iranians went to Damascus advising Bashar to reform ... he never thought he must do it quick... he did reformed what people wanted in first place but then suddenly , hundreds of people asked for a REGIME CHANGE!! that now turned out in Hilary clintons diary book that it was all supported and provoked by Anti- Resistance allies... Then back at that time, Iran and Syria signed (a few years back in 2006 If I,m not wrong)... Iran and Syria agreed to support each other as they did when Saddam invaded Iran... Iran took an oath to stay committed to any outside threats to Syria... When the weapons arrived to Syrian soil and serious wars started... Iran sent many convoys to Damascus to control the issue,... At that time, Iran even pushed Bashar to reform more and more... the more bashar asked protesters to negotiate and discuss what they want they more they local war flamed up... After a few month that both Iran and Russia seen this is not a simple civil protest, they started to consider pushing bashar to resign and start a new government by applying what opposition wanted... this negotiations lasted so long that Takfiri DAESH and AL Nosrah with the help of West, Turkey, Saudi and other GCC (excluding Oman) emerged...and then after they have seen what Takfiris are doing...both Iran and Russia and China decided to keep protecting the BAshar legitimate government becoz falling bashar would empty the field for Takfiris (exactly when they started to show eating liver on camera)... This problem was even bigger than Bashar and reforms... This was the case that even USA became convinced that between choosing Takfiris and Bashar Government, they definitely must take Bashar side..as he is very good to Christians and it is a secular system...

The problem went worse when Saudi and Qatari and Turks pumped billions of dollars and all different sorts of weapons to ISIS and Al Nosrah... now, they were acting daring with good fighting abilities (due to the experiences of Ba,athi regime officers and Chechnian fighters taking the lead)...

Iran is ready to push Bashar to resign even today if they can control the danger of Takfiris first... even many Iranian MPs and other seniors were talking about a political resolution with moderate peaceful opposition parties...which was helf in Moscow last week to no avail of course...

Iran can not afford to lose an Anti- Israel ally... a tolerant ally that fight Takfiris who only serve Israel as they are in israeli hospitals getting aerial support from them.... Iran can not just afford it... Iran is now regretting why she did not suppressed Takfiris in Syria more seriously... As it is trying to offset it by helping Iraq more seriously fighting ISIS....

Iran has some wrong doings too as any other country that follows its interests...but believe me brother... If we are fair, we realize that Iran is only supporting and empowering Shias who were suppressed for decades... Iran never helps a shia group unless they ask for help... second, when it comes to Islam.. she supports whoever the resistance group is as Hamas and Jahad Eslami in Palestine are Sunni...

Only if our Arab and Muslim brothers were wise enough to let aside minor differences and focus on our major similarities then Islam would be the no.1 power in world in a way that we colonize West (not in reality... just saying!)

Whenever Iran goes, she tries to empower those people by helping them both in weapons to defend themselves, in production, infrastructure and rebuilding, education... Saudis must die in shame calling Yemenis their beloved brothers and yet letting them starve to death... yet bombing them with an empty excuse!! legitimate president!! why they didn,t not act in favor of legitimate Morsi in Egypt?? It is full of bs when I see Saudi leaders justify their invasion and killing thousands of mostly innocent children and women... ring any bells?? yes, Israel did the same with defenseless Qaza Muslims

I personally see Bashar as no fit for presidency anymore after all these dead tolls... The syrian moderate opposition must make ally with Bashar to clean ISIS and Al Nosrah and then Bashar resign and let a free election take place...this is the only solution in my eyes... UN must take the oath of Bashar that after eliminating Takfiris he will resign and will help build a new syria with all Syrians...sometimes, that I see innocent children in Syria or Iraq killing by both sides fires... I cry for long... but how could we help other than... helping Islam grow stronger..technologically... scientifically... convincing Takfiri minds to come to the humanity arms again... what can we do but to pray for peace...

 

[Madali]

Try not to get too emotionally involved. Lets not call all Saudis suicide bombers as such. I have removed the negative rating. I strongly want the dispute between Iran and Saudia to end by the way because it only hurts the Muslim ummah. I hope the best for each country even though Saudi has funded the LEJ in my country. It does not mean I will hate all Saudis.

As a Sunni, I look at the majority Iranians and my Sunni hometown and I realize that there is a difference of approach to religion. Shiasim by relying on Imams and etc has made Islam less regid. There is more innovation and flexibility in Shiasm. By its definition, sunnism is more traditional.

Now, as a religions idea, it makes sense that Sunnism is more True, which I guess is why Sunni muslim leaders usually have such hate for shias (I can even see it among my community).

However, as a 21st century religion, it becomes more adaptable to the modern era.

Obviously, this is not a Sunni vs shia debate from my side because I'm not a theologian, I don't even pray, and I don't really care about the religious differences. But their EFFECT on people does fasinate me.

 

[SQ8]

An excellent article:

The sweet sound of a glorious oil-drenched slap - The Express Tribune

@Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Armstrong @Horus

Contributed by: @RAMPAGE . Thanks!

The fact remains, that the Shiekha can hurt us... but not beyond what can be caused to him if the Pakistani population is threatened. Still, this sort of clearly displays the Arab mentality regarding south asians and Pakistanis in general..and as such our worth.

What is important, is that the foreign office makes another strong statement or all that will tell is that the government is on disaster management mode and our PM Aka Tikkay is fretting out how best to say sorry to his pirs(I might have meant peers.. but not really).

 

[SQ8]

you do know that you are just a general in an internet forum ? your opinion or what you think should be done wont reach the pakistani government tea boy!

But do you know that on this forum, your opinion wont reach anybody unless I allow it thawbian
Just because I tolerate your ISIS supporting murderous ideals, doesnt mean I cant remove you in an instant.

Be afraid Urbi.. be very Afraid.

 

[aks18]

m loving how these arabs are feeling helpless against a such a weak country yemen

 

[Desert Fox]

Well, i think we can conclude that this particular Sheikh Gargash and others who share his opinion just damaged the image of their own nation by making such threatening statements towards Pakistan.

However, i do not think that all GCC countries leaderships share the views of this UAE Sheikh, least of all Saudi Arabia's, as Pakistan is still committed to the protection of Saudi Arabia and the Holy sites and the strategic alliance still stands strong. And it should only be limited to that. We should not get involved in Yemen, rather on the contrary we should play the role of a mediator. The decision of our parliament to stick to this principle was perhaps one of the few sane decisions ever made by our politicians in the history of Pakistan.

 

[Jungibaaz]

An excellent article:

The sweet sound of a glorious oil-drenched slap - The Express Tribune

@Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Armstrong @Horus

Contributed by: @RAMPAGE . Thanks!

Favourite part:

The problem with these sheikhs and their razzle dazzle sheikhdoms is that money has not bought them wisdom. These piddling sheikhs have won a divine geological lottery that has catapulted them from camels to Ferraris. They dug their wealth, and never learnt how to create it. They then proceeded to outsource wisdom to the West while they themselves struggle to outgrow their own medieval tribal outlook towards life, the world, and Pakistan.

As hateful as this may sound to some, this is some bitter truth that is widely acknowledged but rarely said. I've seen this first hand even in the UK, the engineering departments of some of these universities were flooded with Arab students mostly on scholarships and sponsorships, some working for RasGas and Saudi firms. Some of them were brilliant, some were very hard working. Others one has to wonder how on earth they made it thus far. I've met the likes of those who pay others to do their work and assignments for them, I even met a guy, some Pakistani kid nonetheless ( foolish ) who did the work for them. Other guys I've seen here, who had never been seen before in the relevant halls, theatres and labs, roll up in their sports cars wearing designer clothes, baby-faced kids driving red sports cars, never graced the rest of those students with their presence in the academic work.

Now don't get me wrong, I came across some really great Arab kids too back then. And an Arab research fellow too. It's not a general statement, but this article is right on the money.

But one thing is true, this comment that seemed a one-off is of serious concern, it should be a wake-up call.
If only there was a way to wake a nation in a self-induced coma.