Arab historian Andalusī on ancient India

[Balbir]

Science in Medieval World: Book of the Categories of Nations" by Said Andalusi. Translated by Sema`an I. Salem. Published by University of Texas Press.(1996)

@Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 @W.11

 

[W.11]

i have read accounts that indian doctors were called from persian during sassanian period and they were known for their skills in medicine, some early observatories in the islamic world were created by the indians as well, i think that the concept of hospital was also adopted by the muslims from the indians, the islamic literature Arabian nights was inspired by indian story telling and literature. the aryabhatta's calculations on planetary movements were used by the muslims as well, alberuni calculated earth's circumference while in india.

Indian pointed arches, multifoil arches were adopted by the muslims and which became synonymous with islamic architecture, the famous islamic finials with mounted crescent was also used by the muslims, other influences were the minarets, especially those which were used in persia, central asia and indo islamic minarets, the turkish hammams and their steam baths were probably due to buddhist influence since we see such buddhist traditions still surviving in china, japan and korea. Indians were known for their hygience and health care which is surprising considering india is known for anything but hygiene and health care. One arab scholar also praises indian for their music and dance and their food which he considers as the best in the world.

regards

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

@Balbir thanks a lot..great read and insightful

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Here we go again...elephant riders claiming IVC heritage.

 

[k s ahmed]

i have read accounts that indian doctors were called from persian during sassanian period and they were known for their skills in medicine, some early observatories in the islamic world were created by the indians as well, i think that the concept of hospital was also adopted by the muslims from the indians, the islamic literature Arabian nights was inspired by indian story telling and literature. the aryabhatta's calculations on planetary movements were used by the muslims as well, alberuni calculated earth's circumference while in india.

Indian pointed arches, multifoil arches were adopted by the muslims and which became synonymous with islamic architecture, the famous islamic finials with mounted crescent was also used by the muslims, other influences were the minarets, especially those which were used in persia, central asia and indo islamic minarets, the turkish hammams and their steam baths were probably due to buddhist influence since we see such buddhist traditions still surviving in china, japan and korea. Indians were known for their hygience and health care which is surprising considering india is known for anything but hygiene and health care. One arab scholar also praises indian for their music and dance and their food which he considers as the best in the world.

regards

Can you mention.some of such observatories please

Here we go again...elephant riders claiming IVC heritage.

Anne-marie schimmel mentions that mughal had Hindu accountants. Indian region has always been associated by sophesticated thjnking

Too bad they got stuck in gao and other idols.

 

[W.11]

Can you mention.some of such observatories please


Anne-marie schimmek mentions that mughal had Hindu accountants. Indian region has always been associated by sophesticated thjnking

Too bad they got stuck in gao and other idols.

they were probably not very big observatories, a size of a room perhaps, but they were probably the earliest observatories in the islamic world.

regards

 

[k s ahmed]

they were probably not very big observatories, a size of a room perhaps, but they were probably the earliest observatories in the islamic world.

regards

Can u provide any reference / book ? I haven't read it anywhere ( yet)

 

[Old School]

The title is misleading as this is about medieval India and not ancient India in contrast with the book of Andalusi — Science in Medieval World: Book of the Categories of Nations" . Usually, ancient period refers to antiquity which preceded the medieval period.

 

[Kaniska]

i have read accounts that indian doctors were called from persian during sassanian period and they were known for their skills in medicine, some early observatories in the islamic world were created by the indians as well, i think that the concept of hospital was also adopted by the muslims from the indians, the islamic literature Arabian nights was inspired by indian story telling and literature. the aryabhatta's calculations on planetary movements were used by the muslims as well, alberuni calculated earth's circumference while in india.

Indian pointed arches, multifoil arches were adopted by the muslims and which became synonymous with islamic architecture, the famous islamic finials with mounted crescent was also used by the muslims, other influences were the minarets, especially those which were used in persia, central asia and indo islamic minarets, the turkish hammams and their steam baths were probably due to buddhist influence since we see such buddhist traditions still surviving in china, japan and korea. Indians were known for their hygience and health care which is surprising considering india is known for anything but hygiene and health care. One arab scholar also praises indian for their music and dance and their food which he considers as the best in the world.

regards

I hope you can survive in PDF after this post in this thread....

 

[W.11]

Can u provide any reference / book ? I haven't read it anywhere ( yet)

@1:04:19

regards

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Arab perception of Turks seems to be matching from that period

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The title is misleading as this is about medieval India and not ancient India in contrast with the book of Andalusi — Science in Medieval World: Book of the Categories of Nations" . Usually, ancient period refers to antiquity which preceded the medieval period.

Exactly.

Evidently, the era being chronicled was medieval (not ancient) and this is an important attempt at misdirection by the original poster of this thread, since in the 11th century, when these chronicles were written by Andalusi, Muslims were around in India, having already established trade centres in south India and having expanded their campaign of conquest in the north with Mahmud of Ghazni by the time the above chronicler was alive.

By excluding any Islamic reference points through the use of the word "ancient", the thread author carefully cultivates chanakiya in an attempt to dismiss Islamic contributions to the above chronicler's opinion.

As for the true "ancient" era or pre-Islamic era, there's the IVC, and then there are gold-hoarding elephant riders who even Alexander of Macedon didn't waste time on, as I already alluded to previously. Since bhakts are slowly giving up trying to falsely claim IVC heritage as theirs (due to ever vigilant Pakistanis defending their history from such attempts at usurpation), the baniyas will move on to try and erode medieval Islamic contributions to the subcontinent's rich tapestry. This is not a hidden effort. Indeed, India's current leaders dismiss medieval Islamic India as an era of darkness and enslavement.

 

[Old School]

Exactly.

Evidently, the era being chronicled was medieval (not ancient) and this is an important attempt at misdirection by the original poster of this thread, since in the 11th century, when these chronicles were written by Andalusi, Muslims were around in India, having already established trade centres in south India and having expanded their campaign of conquest in the north with Mahmud of Ghazni by the time the above chronicler was alive.

By excluding any Islamic reference points through the use of the word "ancient", the thread author carefully cultivates chanakiya in an attempt to dismiss Islamic contributions to the above chronicler's opinion.

As for the true "ancient" era or pre-Islamic era, there's the IVC, and then there are gold-hoarding elephant riders who even Alexander of Macedon didn't waste time on, as I already alluded to previously. Since bhakts are slowly giving up trying to falsely claim IVC heritage as theirs (due to ever vigilant Pakistanis defending their history from such attempts at usurpation), the baniyas will move on to try and erode medieval Islamic contributions to the subcontinent's rich tapestry. This is not a hidden effort. Indeed, India's current leaders dismiss medieval Islamic India as an era of darkness and enslavement.

OP has clearly taken a very much revisionist approach indeed just like his British colonial predecessors did. Ancient India ( or whatever you call it) never had any written chronicle as a matter of fact. All we know about so called ancient India is written down in the modern era as per British narratives which also include so called IVC. What was exactly IVC ? Who were their rulers ? What ethnicity ? Which language ? No one knows for sure till date.

 

[GHALIB]

I hope you can survive in PDF after this post in this thread....

those doctors must have belonged to indus valley area

Exactly.

Evidently, the era being chronicled was medieval (not ancient) and this is an important attempt at misdirection by the original poster of this thread, since in the 11th century, when these chronicles were written by Andalusi, Muslims were around in India, having already established trade centres in south India and having expanded their campaign of conquest in the north with Mahmud of Ghazni by the time the above chronicler was alive.

By excluding any Islamic reference points through the use of the word "ancient", the thread author carefully cultivates chanakiya in an attempt to dismiss Islamic contributions to the above chronicler's opinion.

As for the true "ancient" era or pre-Islamic era, there's the IVC, and then there are gold-hoarding elephant riders who even Alexander of Macedon didn't waste time on, as I already alluded to previously. Since bhakts are slowly giving up trying to falsely claim IVC heritage as theirs (due to ever vigilant Pakistanis defending their history from such attempts at usurpation), the baniyas will move on to try and erode medieval Islamic contributions to the subcontinent's rich tapestry. This is not a hidden effort. Indeed, India's current leaders dismiss medieval Islamic India as an era of darkness and enslavement.

ha ha ha .........very good post .

 

[GHALIB]

Here we go again...elephant riders claiming IVC heritage.

lol ..........where it is maurusi zaydaad ?

@1:04:19

regards

great .