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BEIJING —For most of the past two decades, China — with 400 million middle-class consumers growing richer by the day — was a one-way bet for the world’s corporations and a driver of the global economy.

By early 2018, General Motors was selling a third more cars in China than in the United States. Starbucks unveiled plans to open a new coffee shop in China every 15 hours on average. Adidas reaped 26 percent growth in China while Western Europe, its home market, was staying flat or shrinking.

But what happens when the Chinese growth juggernaut slows? Or worse yet, grinds to a halt?

The world got a glimpse on Wednesday when Apple, the second-largest public tech company, lowered quarterly sales estimates for the first time in more than 15 years. Chief Executive Tim Cook blamed the unforeseen “magnitude of the economic deterioration” in China, the world’s largest smartphone market. Apple shares plummeted nearly 8 percent in after-hours trading and pulled down a bevy of consumer stocks with exposure to the Chinese market.

While a number of factors may have played into Apple’s travails, including political tensions and a trade war with the United States, the news from the company’s Cupertino, Calif., headquarters seems to affirm a warning that Chinese economic observers have been sounding for years, particularly in the last few months: The slowdown in China’s economy might be worse than many appreciate — and so, too, are the spillover effects.

China's economy is definitely slowing quite a bit across a bunch of sectors, and this slowing momentum is likely to continue for another couple of months at least,” said Arthur Kroeber, founder of Gavekal Dragonomics, a research firm in Beijing. “And consumer confidence is definitely down, which is probably part of what’s behind the Apple numbers.”

After multinational companies relied heavily on China for years for growth, warning signs across different industries are beginning to crop up, suggesting that there are broad, ominous trends gathering force in the world’s second-largest economy. In that regard, Apple is not alone.

Months after Starbucks announced a massive China expansion this year, it said China sales would increase just 1 percent, far below those in the United States. Jaguar Land Rover briefly shut a factory in Britain after September sales in China dropped by a half. LVMH, the luxury giant that owns Louis Vuitton and has often been used as a barometer for consumer spending in China, said the Chinese were spending “a little bit less.”

The significance of Apple’s results is partly that it sheds a tiny bit of light on what’s really going on in China — and how that might affect other firms and economies — in a country where top-line economic data issued by the government are murky at best and fudged at worst.

Although Chinese officials report that GDP has been growing at more than 6 percent a year for a few years, “it looks truly like some sixth grader got out their ruler and drew a straight line with a slight downward slant,” said Christopher Balding, an expert on the Chinese economy at Fulbright University in Vietnam. “It’s totally unrealistic.”

As worries have mounted in recent months, top financial regulators have held meetings with economists at banks and brokerages to instruct them to take into account the interests of the Communist Party when they publish economic analyses — an apparent euphemism for holding back alarming language, Bloomberg reported in November.

But over the past 12 months, bits and pieces of data coming out have been precisely that: alarming.

Car sales have been shrinking for the first time since 1990, when most of the country was pedaling bicycles. A key manufacturing survey at the end of the year showed Chinese factory activity actually contracting. And revenue from a consumption tax was down 72 percent in November from a year ago, Balding said.

Chinese investors have been among the most pessimistic about their economy’s prospects: China’s stock market lost $2.3 trillion, or about a quarter of its value, in 2018 — its worst performance in a decade.

To be sure, Apple — perhaps the preeminent symbol of corporate America’s success in China — is buffeted by forces far beyond the country’s macroeconomic trends. Tech analysts say local brands like Huawei and Oppo have been closing the gap with Apple in terms of performance and design even while Cupertino continues to raise its prices.

Meanwhile, a U.S. arrest warrant for Huawei Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou, who has been detained for the past month in Canada, infuriated many Chinese and touched a nerve in a country where nationalist sentiments — and distaste for the United States — have been on the rise as national competition has broken out.

In recent weeks, Chinese media have reported stories of companies awarding stipends to employees who ditch their iPhones to buy Huawei, said Shen Dingli, a well-known international relations commentator in Shanghai.

“The ordinary people may have a kind of nationalist consciousness,” Shen said, adding that middle and upper class Chinese are no longer dazzled by iPhones like they were a decade ago.

“Apple’s glory days are past,” he said.

On Thursday, Henry Zhu, a student from Shenzhen, was browsing a Xiaomi store at the upscale Parkview Green mall in Beijing as he considered the relative attractiveness of Apple’s latest products.

His very first smartphone was an iPhone 6, he said, but he has since switched to Chinese brands because of their similar quality and lower price. Now an iPhone X in China is twice the price of his Chinese-made OnePlus handset costing less than $500. That just wasn’t worth it when money is tight, he said.

“If I have more money to spare, maybe I won’t hesitate to buy the latest iPhone,” Zhu said as he brandished his bezel-less OnePlus 6, which, except for the logo, looked almost exactly like an iPhone.

“For now, I’m happy with what I’ve got.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw3ipsCRs6adjteliek7Uy7j&ust=1546617844879150
 
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China's economy has fallen sharply. Because Apple can't publish sales figures anymore? :cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

We don't seem to need those economic analysts at all! Just focus on the sales of Apple phones.
The World Bank should become Apple's subsidiary of economic data analysis~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Top ten mobile phone brands, China accounted for 6 seats. We are all buying domestic mobile phones, Apple mobile phone sales will continue to decline, so the Chinese economy will continue to decline, please continue to be excited!

Despite a quasi sales ban in the U.S., Huawei retained the number 2 position of the global smartphone market last quarter.HUAWEI


Top 5 Smartphone Companies, Worldwide Shipments, Market Share, and Year-Over-Year Growth, Q2 2018
(shipments in millions of units)
Company 3Q18 Shipment Volumes 3Q18 Market Share 3Q17 Shipment Volumes 3Q17 Market Share 3Q18/3Q17 Change
Samsung 72.2 20.3% 83.3 22.1% -13.4%
Huawei 52.0 14.6% 39.1 10.4% 32.9%
Apple 46.9 13.2% 46.7 12.4% 0.5%
Xiaomi 34.3 9.7% 28.3 7.5% 21.2%
OPPO 29.9 8.4% 30.6 8.1% -2.1%
Others 119.9 33.8% 149.8 39.6% -19.9%
Total 355.2 100.0% 377.8 100.0% -6.0%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanba...hone-market-beating-apple-again/#6f7fe9c31305




 
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BEIJING —For most of the past two decades, China — with 400 million middle-class consumers growing richer by the day — was a one-way bet for the world’s corporations and a driver of the global economy.

By early 2018, General Motors was selling a third more cars in China than in the United States. Starbucks unveiled plans to open a new coffee shop in China every 15 hours on average. Adidas reaped 26 percent growth in China while Western Europe, its home market, was staying flat or shrinking.

But what happens when the Chinese growth juggernaut slows? Or worse yet, grinds to a halt?

The world got a glimpse on Wednesday when Apple, the second-largest public tech company, lowered quarterly sales estimates for the first time in more than 15 years. Chief Executive Tim Cook blamed the unforeseen “magnitude of the economic deterioration” in China, the world’s largest smartphone market. Apple shares plummeted nearly 8 percent in after-hours trading and pulled down a bevy of consumer stocks with exposure to the Chinese market.

While a number of factors may have played into Apple’s travails, including political tensions and a trade war with the United States, the news from the company’s Cupertino, Calif., headquarters seems to affirm a warning that Chinese economic observers have been sounding for years, particularly in the last few months: The slowdown in China’s economy might be worse than many appreciate — and so, too, are the spillover effects.

China's economy is definitely slowing quite a bit across a bunch of sectors, and this slowing momentum is likely to continue for another couple of months at least,” said Arthur Kroeber, founder of Gavekal Dragonomics, a research firm in Beijing. “And consumer confidence is definitely down, which is probably part of what’s behind the Apple numbers.”

After multinational companies relied heavily on China for years for growth, warning signs across different industries are beginning to crop up, suggesting that there are broad, ominous trends gathering force in the world’s second-largest economy. In that regard, Apple is not alone.

Months after Starbucks announced a massive China expansion this year, it said China sales would increase just 1 percent, far below those in the United States. Jaguar Land Rover briefly shut a factory in Britain after September sales in China dropped by a half. LVMH, the luxury giant that owns Louis Vuitton and has often been used as a barometer for consumer spending in China, said the Chinese were spending “a little bit less.”

The significance of Apple’s results is partly that it sheds a tiny bit of light on what’s really going on in China — and how that might affect other firms and economies — in a country where top-line economic data issued by the government are murky at best and fudged at worst.

Although Chinese officials report that GDP has been growing at more than 6 percent a year for a few years, “it looks truly like some sixth grader got out their ruler and drew a straight line with a slight downward slant,” said Christopher Balding, an expert on the Chinese economy at Fulbright University in Vietnam. “It’s totally unrealistic.”

As worries have mounted in recent months, top financial regulators have held meetings with economists at banks and brokerages to instruct them to take into account the interests of the Communist Party when they publish economic analyses — an apparent euphemism for holding back alarming language, Bloomberg reported in November.

But over the past 12 months, bits and pieces of data coming out have been precisely that: alarming.

Car sales have been shrinking for the first time since 1990, when most of the country was pedaling bicycles. A key manufacturing survey at the end of the year showed Chinese factory activity actually contracting. And revenue from a consumption tax was down 72 percent in November from a year ago, Balding said.

Chinese investors have been among the most pessimistic about their economy’s prospects: China’s stock market lost $2.3 trillion, or about a quarter of its value, in 2018 — its worst performance in a decade.

To be sure, Apple — perhaps the preeminent symbol of corporate America’s success in China — is buffeted by forces far beyond the country’s macroeconomic trends. Tech analysts say local brands like Huawei and Oppo have been closing the gap with Apple in terms of performance and design even while Cupertino continues to raise its prices.

Meanwhile, a U.S. arrest warrant for Huawei Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou, who has been detained for the past month in Canada, infuriated many Chinese and touched a nerve in a country where nationalist sentiments — and distaste for the United States — have been on the rise as national competition has broken out.

In recent weeks, Chinese media have reported stories of companies awarding stipends to employees who ditch their iPhones to buy Huawei, said Shen Dingli, a well-known international relations commentator in Shanghai.

“The ordinary people may have a kind of nationalist consciousness,” Shen said, adding that middle and upper class Chinese are no longer dazzled by iPhones like they were a decade ago.

“Apple’s glory days are past,” he said.

On Thursday, Henry Zhu, a student from Shenzhen, was browsing a Xiaomi store at the upscale Parkview Green mall in Beijing as he considered the relative attractiveness of Apple’s latest products.

His very first smartphone was an iPhone 6, he said, but he has since switched to Chinese brands because of their similar quality and lower price. Now an iPhone X in China is twice the price of his Chinese-made OnePlus handset costing less than $500. That just wasn’t worth it when money is tight, he said.

“If I have more money to spare, maybe I won’t hesitate to buy the latest iPhone,” Zhu said as he brandished his bezel-less OnePlus 6, which, except for the logo, looked almost exactly like an iPhone.

“For now, I’m happy with what I’ve got.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi5nJ_L_tHfAhVjS98KHeX5CLIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/apples-stark-warning-may-be-ominous-news-for-china/2019/01/03/089d4bba-0f46-11e9-92b8-6dd99e2d80e1_story.html&psig=AOvVaw3ipsCRs6adjteliek7Uy7j&ust=1546617844879150
This is indeed ominous news for USA and American brands.
Meanwhile Huawei is having roaring sales.
Turbulent 2018 didn’t keep Huawei from selling millions and millions of phones
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/huawei-2018-sales-news/

You better worry about still having a job.
:yay: :yay: :yay:
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China's economy has fallen sharply. Because Apple can't publish sales figures anymore? :cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
There is speculation that Apple and Google now have a better grip of world economic activity than governments do, since the companies collect metadata and can process it long before governments can.
 
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So people are finally waking up and not buying apple phones. That is ominous to China economy?
What the **** you smoking kimosabi?

:rofl:
apple employs close to a million people in China
 
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Is that a big figure to you?

Overall it is a big number. It may be not in the grand scheme of things for China

the most important thing for Apple is they have to make it somewhere. If they cannot operate in China they have to go elesehwere.
 
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I see a systemic problem with Chinese here. They seldom grasp Cause and Effect relationship correctly. The article clearly states that Apple sees head-winds ahead because of slow down in Chinese economy. Since Apple is a major commodity seller, it has a grasp of what is happening in economy earlier than the beauros or departments.

What the article says:
Chinese Economy is slowing (CAUSE) as seen in slowing down of purchase of certain high priced ie reduced customer spending (SYMPTOM) and that is making Apple worried (EFFECT).

What Chinese here inferred:
Chinese Economy is slowing (EFFECT).
slowing down of purchase of certain high priced ie reduced customer spending (CAUSE).
Apple is worried (CAUSE).

I used to think that people are racist because they feel Chinese lack critical reasoning, I guess they may not be so incorrect.
 
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I see a systemic problem with Chinese here. They seldom grasp Cause and Effect relationship correctly. The article clearly states that Apple sees head-winds ahead because of slow down in Chinese economy. Since Apple is a major commodity seller, it has a grasp of what is happening in economy earlier than the beauros or departments.

What the article says:
Chinese Economy is slowing (CAUSE) as seen in slowing down of purchase of certain high priced ie reduced customer spending (SYMPTOM) and that is making Apple worried (EFFECT).

What Chinese here inferred:
Chinese Economy is slowing (EFFECT).
slowing down of purchase of certain high priced ie reduced customer spending (CAUSE).
Apple is worried (CAUSE).

I used to think that people are racist because they feel Chinese lack critical reasoning, I guess they may not be so incorrect.
If you are doing economic data analysis, So simple, China's data for the first three quarters of 2018 are already available.
If Apple's sales data can reflect the real situation, So why is the market forecast for Apple's mobile phone lowered?
Why is it going to sell at a reduced price?
 
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Simple, people don't like to be ripped off time and again.
It's not just in China. You can find tons of open box video complaining the over-priced Apple.
 
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NewHow is the iphone selling outside China?

Does the iphone is only in the Chinese market sales dropped?

Only poor Chinese can't afford the latest iphone?
They are selling at a price in the US, China does not have a discount.

Then, sales fell (SYMPTOM)
Because, the Chinese have no money (EFFECT)
Therefore, the Chinese economy is miserable (CAUSE)

:victory:I easily learned this.:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

I read these messages earlier than you. Because this is the official news published by China. Readable in all news websites in China, and the data is more comprehensive.

The Chinese economy is indeed slowing down, Start say in 2016. But now, We are talking about Apple sales data on behalf of the Chinese economy.
 
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