Anti-Pakistan conspiracy foiled

[BaburCM]

They are after Baluchistan and NWFP. That's no secret. I won't even bother going into the details any more. Every person knows why the Yanks are stationed in Afghanistan. It isn't free service, charity, goodwill or democracy. It's all about preserving vile interests. Even if that means mass murdering innocent people.

 

[rubyjackass]

A plan to set up the so-called ëTrust Fundí was drawn up for provision of “special aid” to the provinces of Balochistan and the NWFP with huge amount of international assistance separately meant to disconnect them from the rest of the country. The idea was reportedly widely accepted by senior officials in Pakistan and even some high-ups in Islamabad considered it a ìlucrativeî and ìharmless propositionî.

It doesn't seem significant to me. Probably the idea was to give more help where it is needed in Baluchistan and NWFP and this is only reasonable. However people arrived at a judgement on intentions of the donors. Or probably they only pointed out this as a technicality, that doing this will be differentiating parts of Pakistan. But is it unrealistic? that these parts should be see apart from other provinces for familiar reasons?
Somebody made an issue out it and the poor 'high-ups' are now doubted for their allegiance to the state.

If only these people dare to express this paranoia in public saying 'Donor_x and Donor_y are trying to dismember Pakistan'...



Someone didn't like the definitions. Or may be they just asked to alter it as a technicality. And there rose a conspiracy theory out of it. This is what I think happened.

 

[Zob]

1styl Pakistanis need to unite i see another East Pakistan problem arising in Balochistan.....the problem is we expect China and Saudi to help us all the time but until and unless we help ourselves no one will help us. THE QUESTION I ASK IS IF ALL OF US HERE AND EVERYONE WHO WATCHES TV understands this problem PAKISTAN is having then why isn't our government or opposition raising issue and where is our army....WHAT WILL ARMY BE PROUD OF if there is no pakistan....i am a pathan but i say screw pathans,balochis,sindhis,punjabis,urud speaking,saraikis what will you have once u become a mini palestian where indian drones attack you regularly....

all we need is to unite...sports used to unite us and now no more sports also physcologically plays a factor....

and mr rubyjackass well if all this is conspiracy then i am sorry current situations and scenarios are leading to exactly what is being propheticized. but i have on thing to say... and i seek ALLAHs forgivness if i say it wrongly...

"THEY MAY PLAN...LET THEM...BUT MY PLAN IS BIGGER THAN THERES"

 

[S-2]

rubyjackass has this right and there's no conspiracy.

Your citizens need to focus upon real problems that you can address without recourse to the thoughts and actions of others. Too much energy and thought uselessly spent on these distractions, IMHO.

 

[RescueRanger]

S2, Did man land on the moon?... Some say yes, some say no! It's all about who you ask and what their motives are... (Get my drift!)

 

[Bane Blade]

One can safely suggest that Pakistan is not goin to be one nation if he reads articles like the ones today about Buner Falling however this whole Talibanisation thing cannot stop unti these people aren't made to disarm I think it is Pakistans own fault that they are still openly roaming about they shouldn't have given up Swat untill they were extremely sure of disarmament I think it is a failure on the government as well as the PA's part that we have to beg to foreign countries just to keep us in a piece and that they are sitting in Large hotel conference rooms planning that they should divide the country however at this stage I would have to agree with some of the above posts that this whole division is not a conspiracy but a downward spiral that we are pushing ourselves into.

 

[rubyjackass]

and mr rubyjackass well if all this is conspiracy then i am sorry current situations and scenarios are leading to exactly what is being propheticized.

Enlighten us with the prophecy

 

[S-2]

Get my drift. I don't care.

You have no influence over machinations, real or imagined, at some conference halfway across the world.

You have EVERY influence over the thoughts and action of those overgrown children running around with weapons and acting as anointed saviours of your religion.

It's a local issue that's most pressing and there you've complete influence should you avoid distractors.

Conspiracies are opium to you guys. Put down the pipe.

 

[RescueRanger]

Get my drift. I don't care.

You have no influence over machinations, real or imagined, at some conference halfway across the world.

You have EVERY influence over the thoughts and action of those overgrown children running around with weapons and acting as anointed saviours of your religion.

It's a local issue that's most pressing and there you've complete influence should you avoid distractors.

Conspiracies are opium to you guys. Put down the pipe.

Well, with that attitude, i dont think i care much for what you say, either. What level of control do you exert on anything outside this forum? None... Same as me, so quite the macho rightous (holier then thou) act.

What is the matter cannot digest the reality of society? Or as Mark Twain put it:

“A conspiracy is nothing but a secret agreement of a number of men for the pursuance of policies which they dare not admit in public”

 

[S-2]

"What level of control do you exert on anything outside this forum? None... Same as me, so quite the macho rightous (holier then thou) act."

Quit the innocent pleading. You didn't like my tone but I'm supposed to accept yours? Cold day in hell.

There's nothing macho about my point. It's all about expending useful thought on relevant subjects. Sam Clemens aside, no powerful men were hiding their ambitions to destroy Pakistan. For you to ascribe such willfully damaging actions to any nation that's presently trying to find ways to HELP you is quite wrong.

This lust for external conspiracy to explain away your internal misery is all too common among Pakistanis and the reasons are clear. You're fools to indulge in such. Matters are far more transparent than you prefer.

The clarity is painfully blinding.

 

[RescueRanger]

"What level of control do you exert on anything outside this forum? None... Same as me, so quite the macho rightous (holier then thou) act."

Quit the innocent pleading. You didn't like my tone but I'm supposed to accept yours? Cold day in hell.

There's nothing macho about my point. It's all about expending useful thought on relevant subjects. Sam Clemens aside, no powerful men were hiding their ambitions to destroy Pakistan. For you to ascribe such willfully damaging actions to any nation that's presently trying to find ways to HELP you is quite wrong.

This lust for external conspiracy to explain away your internal misery is all too common among Pakistanis and the reasons are clear. You're fools to indulge in such. Matters are far more transparent than you prefer.

The clarity is painfully blinding.

You're fools to indulge in such.

Must take one to know one.

Seriously though, you jumped the gun and assumed that i actually believed what has been reported... Perhaps next time you will wait and not let emotions and righteous pride cloud your analytical judgement.

Regards

 

[S-2]

There's nothing "low" about my thoughts. They reflect the same as Petraeus who also wonders openly what your army is doing. Nothing new there.

If that bothers you I won't be apologizing. It reflects the thoughts, I'm sure, of our key leadership that can see matters in Pakistan's army for what they are.

When you feel truly threatened, you'll move. As you don't, then there's no call to seek or receive aid in my view.

Tone is commensurate with yours. No more nor less. You may drop it or continue. I'm fine either way.

 

[RescueRanger]

There's nothing "low" about my thoughts. They reflect the same as Petraeus who also wonders openly what your army is doing. Nothing new there.

If that bothers you I won't be apologizing. It reflects the thoughts, I'm sure, of our key leadership that can see matters in Pakistan's army for what they are.

When you feel truly threatened, you'll move. As you don't, then there's no call to seek or receive aid in my view.

Tone is commensurate with yours. No more nor less. You may drop it or continue. I'm fine either way.

For all this time you have been on Pak Def you still do not understand the "real" dynamics of Pakistan and it's internal politics.

No need to apoligies my friend. Another day, another dollar. I will go back to my work in the morning and so will you. And like i have maintained "no matter what youor i say here, we cannot change things"... So, just sit back and enjoy the show.

 

[blain2]

Pakistan needs a real statesman at the helm of affairs right now. Pakistan's interests can only be vouched for by Pakistanis...depending on this or that friendly country itself is nothing but waiting to get used and abused.

On a side note, all the funding and disbursement of this funding has to go through the GoP. It should be monitored and tracked by those giving the money (as I am all for cutting back on corruption) but in the end it should be the GoP making the call. With the right kind of oversight and the proper GoP involvement, attempts (real or imagined) to further destabilize Pakistan can be laid to rest.

 

[aboutimeee]

They are after Baluchistan and NWFP. That's no secret. I won't even bother going into the details any more. Every person knows why the Yanks are stationed in Afghanistan. It isn't free service, charity, goodwill or democracy. It's all about preserving vile interests. Even if that means mass murdering innocent people.

meh thats old news
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