Another Lost for Huawei in Germany

[dbc]

How many 5G base stations Germany will build in the next 3 years. The number is 40,000.

How many 5G base stations China will build in the upcoming several years? The number is 6,000,000. For Huawei, having China domestic market is enough.

https://www.sohu.com/a/311365413_120023366

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You know that isn’t true, if domestic market was enough Huawei would not be so anxious to bypass these hurdles imposed upon it by the Trump administration. But it isn’t over, my business contacts in the Middle East tell me the US government is applying pressure on Huawei’s customers in its largest market.

besides Huawei 5G was meant to be the crown jewel of the belt and road initiative- remember?

 

[Indos]

To be honest, it doesn't matter if Huawei win or not. But at least they have be given an opportunity to join the tender. It like Ericson gave their proposal, Huawei did the same. If at the end German chose Ericson, because Ericson is an European company, then it's okay. It just business. Huawei can learn from the lesson to improve their wares.

The problem is if you ban them from joining the tender. That's political, not business.

US technology restriction look like the main cause of it.

 

[Viva_Viet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracel_Islands
7.75 km2 land area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands
2 km2 land area

???

Just look at the map and we can see Paracel is very small ( abt 8%)

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

To be honest, it doesn't matter if Huawei win or not. But at least they have be given an opportunity to join the tender. It like Ericson gave their proposal, Huawei did the same. If at the end German chose Ericson, because Ericson is an European company, then it's okay. It just business. Huawei can learn from the lesson to improve their wares.

The problem is if you ban them from joining the tender. That's political, not business.

You are absolutely right on this one.
By the end of this year, Huawei would have installed 800,000 5G stations. Today it is close 350,000.
The good news is Huawei is moving closer towards 6G technology. USA and the West can talk about it.
China is moving towards its self sufficiency goal by 2025.
Like former Singapore PM Lee Kuan Yew once said, China is unstoppable.
As for USA it is already predicted in the oracle, it will changed its mind and rejoin the China-Russia coalition and there will be peace for 1000 years.
They have just discovered another archeology sites that pushed China civilization back to 8000 years. Is China the first or 2nd civilization?

 

[Indos]

Just look at the map and we can see Paracel is very small ( abt 8%)

Why they dont include Indonesia on the map bro ? This is the actual one

Indonesia sea territory in SCS literally divided Malaysia.

 

[kankan326]

You know that isn’t true, if domestic market was enough Huawei would not be so anxious to bypass these hurdles imposed upon it by the Trump administration. But it isn’t over, my business contacts in the Middle East tell me the US government is applying pressure on Huawei’s customers in its largest market.

besides Huawei 5G was meant to be the crowing jewel of the belt and road initiative- remember?

I remember I read this news: After one European country refused Huawei, a mayor in south China said the 5 base stations number in our city is more than that country's.

Huawei is an ambitious company. It wants to gain global success.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

US technology restriction look like the main cause of it.

Yes. It may cause a delay due to China previous dependence on global supply chain network but can they stop China technological advancements?
What will happens when it is China turn to call the shot? Trump is being stupid and they are too late. He is also desperate now.
In fact it is good. China will now focus more on China own suppliers. They are given new lifeline.
SMIC may now become probably the 2nd largest in the world.

 

[kankan326]

Yes. It may cause a delay due to China previous dependence on global supply chain network but can they stop China technological advancements?
What will happens when it is China turn to call the shot? Trump is being stupid and they are too late. He is also desperate now.
In fact it is good. China will now focus more on China own suppliers. They are given new lifeline.
SMIC may now become probably the 2nd largest in the world.

One thing that can guarantee China would be final winner. The number of STEM researchers and engineers. And every year millions of STEM graduates join in them. The graduates number is so big that it is more than US+EU+Japan+India+S.Korea combined.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I told you the bet is on 2023 China collapse right? The world is not as simple as no export no dollars, it might be new digital rmb.

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RMB is useless, can not be used to buy rice for 600 millions starving Cnese
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Prime Minister Li Keqiang acknowledged that China is facing a crisis of unemployment due to the epidemic and the weak economy has caused many people to lose their jobs.

He also acknowledged that millions of people continue to live in poverty and not enough to eat. The number of people struggling with life is increasing as a result of the pandemic

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/people-rush-for-rice-storage-in-hubei-province.661241/page-11

Why they dont include Indonesia on the map bro ? This is the actual one

Indonesia sea territory in SCS literally divided Malaysia.

I think this map just focus on the conflict on Paracel and Spratly islands. Indonesia only have some water dispute wt VN and CN .

 

[Indos]

Yes. It may cause a delay due to China previous dependence on global supply chain network but can they stop China technological advancements?
What will happens when it is China turn to call the shot? Trump is being stupid and they are too late. He is also desperate now.
In fact it is good. China will now focus more on China own suppliers. They are given new lifeline.
SMIC may now become probably the 2nd largest in the world.

I dont know but time will tell. The processor is US made. We will see whether China can make one on their own.

 

[Loki]

Huawei has deep pockets to survive these losses from North America and EU. Recently 90% of 5G orders in China went to Huawei and I believe 10% to Erricson. Nokia was completely shutout from initial 5G Chinese orders. Even to get business in China for EU manufacturer is breaking even at the best. Best selling point of Huawei is there selling point they are cheap as compare to there competors and almost as good but not better. So that's why in Asia, Africa, ME, South America and even some Eastern European countries Huawei is an easy pick due to low cost to deploy there Core and RAN eqp.

Tide has changed in North America and EU in favor of Erricson and Nokia.
10 years back Huawei copy all the technology from Erricson, Lucent, Alcatel and even Cisco. There product manuals were carbon copies of the above companies. But in 10 years they get good by coping and even start beating the competition. Low cost to produce and a dedicated work force.
Since Security is a big concern now Huawei is seeing head winds which might last for few years but not for ever.

 

[Han Patriot]

RMB is useless, can not be used to buy rice for 600 millions starving Cnese
-----
Prime Minister Li Keqiang acknowledged that China is facing a crisis of unemployment due to the epidemic and the weak economy has caused many people to lose their jobs.

He also acknowledged that millions of people continue to live in poverty and not enough to eat. The number of people struggling with life is increasing as a result of the pandemic

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/people-rush-for-rice-storage-in-hubei-province.661241/page-11
I think this map just focus on the conflict on Paracel and Spratly islands. Indonesia only have some water dispute wt VN and CN .

It's not as powerful as dollars but definitely better than dongs. We are alresdy buying metals and energy using RMB. Now with the word in crisis, alot more countries will be willing to trade in RMB.

but China already banned US pork. Did you know that Germany is one of the largest exporters of Pork?
All this during a global shortage.

Is it good? I think German bratwurst is good. I am still able to get Smith field in China since its Chinese owned not sure about the others

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I dont know but time will tell. The processor is US made. We will see whether China can make one on their own.

which processor? the specific part name please.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

I dont know but time will tell. The processor is US made. We will see whether China can make one on their own.

US made processor?
What are you talking about?
In fact all these maneuvering by USA created new opportunities for China semiconductor industries.
It will be more than just foundries but lithography equipment and related industries as well.
https://optocrypto.com/china-will-have-its-own-photoresist-material-for-7nm-process-technology/

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1188737.shtml

Huawei has deep pockets to survive these losses from North America and EU. Recently 90% of 5G orders in China went to Huawei and I believe 10% to Erricson. Nokia was completely shutout from initial 5G Chinese orders. Even to get business in China for EU manufacturer is breaking even at the best. Best selling point of Huawei is there selling point they are cheap as compare to there competors and almost as good but not better. So that's why in Asia, Africa, ME, South America and even some Eastern European countries Huawei is an easy pick due to low cost to deploy there Core and RAN eqp.

Tide has changed in North America and EU in favor of Erricson and Nokia.
10 years back Huawei copy all the technology from Erricson, Lucent, Alcatel and even Cisco. There product manuals were carbon copies of the above companies. But in 10 years they get good by coping and even start beating the competition. Low cost to produce and a dedicated work force.
Since Security is a big concern now Huawei is seeing head winds which might last for few years but not for ever.

What tide of changes?
It has always been about USA firm grip on its allies - 5 eyes Anglo-Saxon intelligence alliance and NATO using threats and arm twisting tactic.
But USA is losing its grip and soon it's influence as well.
It won't work for the new era which is in fact an Asian Century.
IMO China should in fact keep it's 5G technology to itself.
Believe it or not, within 5 years it will be way ahead of the West. We can see its application way ahead of any nation in China today.
Why bother with them?
The strategy forward should be self sufficiency in all areas e.g. food supplies, water and clean air. If they want to trade then trade if not, don't be bothered.
No the mission is to keep all foreigners away until COVID is eliminated to safeguard it's population.
So USA wants to ban flights to China. GOOD.
I am pondering over this.
Can USA decouple itself from China? I would love to know the answer.

 

[Viet]

Many if most everybody said impossible to build 5g without Huawei now Telefonica shows it can without. I said thousand times here on pdf. certainly it is possible to build 5g without Huawei. I don’t know why people believe Huawei is like the messiah than rains down 5g while other can’t?

5g is nothing more than a further development of 4g. 5g adds features that were invented in the last 10 years. Most of them originated in the West.

The success of Huawei has to do with chinese people. It’s similar with success of Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Singaporeans in some extent Vietnamese. We are good at learning from others, copying, duplicating, making things en mass, cheaper, faster, better.

Also the opposite is true. Without injection of ideas, technology, cooperations from the West, Huawei has no future.

China has no future if the world shuts all the gates to China. Chinese should learn a bit of history but I think they don’t want to learn.