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An eye-opening report on Muslims in Europe

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Few days ago I posted a U.S state-department report on American Muslims. Today, I found another very detailed and well-verified report---but this time, the subject is Muslims in Europe.

The report is 348 pages long and conducts a detailed analysis of Muslims in major West European cities. It discusses housing, employment, education, identity, population, and a lot of other variables about Muslims living in major European cities and industrial centers.

The report is too long, so I will provide the summary for the readers. The cities whose Muslim populations were analyzed/studied are: London, Marseille, Paris, Berlin, Rotterdam, Hamburg, Copenhagen, Leicester, Amsterdam, and Stockholm.

So literally almost ALL the major Industrial, financial, and political capitals of Europe.
Here are the key findings of the report

> There are approximately 15 million to 20 million Muslims in the European Union and the number is expected to rise in the future [Pew survey estimates ~ 45 million Muslims in whole Europe (Russia included) and the number is expected to reach 60 million by 2030--i.e---in next 15 years or so]

> Muslims participate and interact with different people (non-Muslims) on frequent basis. Significant levels of interaction between people from different backgrounds were reported,with European-born Muslims reporting the most interaction with their non-Muslim countrymen. Frequent contact occurred at work,schools, shops, in public spaces such as transport and parks, and (more surprisingly) inthe home. The majority of European-born Muslim women(51 per cent) had frequent contact at home with people outside their ethnic group.These results run contrary to the view that Muslims live parallel or segregated lives, or do not feel a sense of belonging or attachment to the city and country where they live ( @gambit )

> Religious discrimination against Muslims remains a critical barrier to full and equal participation and integrated in society. The findings of this report are consistent with other research and suggest that levels of religious discrimination directed towards Muslims are widespread and have increased in the past years.


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> Most Muslims want to live in ethnically mix neighborhoods, and do not want to live in any "Muslim-areas." However, discrimination against Muslims is a big hindrance in this regard. Discrimination in housing confronts many Muslims and restricts their choices.

> Muslims face significant discrimination in the labor market. Unemployment rates amongst Muslims are double than that of non-Muslims. Muslim women, specially European-born Muslim women who wear Hijab, are most likely to be discriminated against when it comes to getting a job. Evidence suggests that even with same educational achievements and experience, Muslims are still more likely to remain unemployed than non-Muslims in the labor market.


> Muslims are active in mainstream political parties and reject ethnic-based political parties. More and more Muslims are now running for public office--albeit they face a lot more scrutiny than normal candidates running for any public office.
> The picture remains mixed when it comes to education attainment. For some Muslims, religion plays a very important role in encouraging education. The most encouraging trend is that the importance of education is being realized by more and more Muslims. More Muslims are enrolling their kids in pre-school than ever before.

Complete report: Muslims in Europe: A detailed overview

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The whole report is absolutely brilliant. The detailed break-down and analyses in the report, backed by solid data by all authentic sources available (government and non-government), make this report a very unique one indeed.

It also clarifies a lot of things for us. The biggest challenge to Muslim integration in Europe is not Muslim refusal to do so, but rather institutional and social discrimination against Muslims that is widely spread throughout Europe. This is an open secret now. EVERYONE knows it. European policy-makers, European governments, European civil society, and European media needs to play its due role in making situation better so that Muslims in Europe can be integrated more effectively.

American-Muslims are doing much, much more better than European Muslims, and there is a reason for it. The reason is America! America is a nation of immigrants and it is more accepting of immigrants than European nations. European nations were based on "genetic" unity...and this concept is rendered old/out-dated by modern globalization. Europeans must accept the reality that they now live in a multicultural world. Tens of millions of Muslims in Europe are as much Europeans as anybody could be.

Mutual respect and understanding is the way to go forward for Europeans and Muslims.

@Raja Pakistani @flamer84 @MarkusS @Audio @Jungibaaz @Windjammer @Aeronaut @Bismarck @Wave

Note: Please tag other Europeans or Muslims/Pakistani living in Europe who are present on this forum. I would like to listen to all of your views.
 
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Its a gradual process.

Sure enough more roots are being laid down, the importance of education is being realised

The Muslim community is 45 million strong now but by 2030 like the report said will be 60 million strong
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The part too many people get mixed up with is intergration and assimilation, Muslims must intergrate, we need to learn the language, ensure our children become educated and have knowledge and become strong in area's such as business or politics to better represent our population.

Its heartening to see the amount of muslims entering politics at all levels, but we have a unique identity that cannot be watered down in our pursuit of intergration we cannot become 'brown sahibs'


The difference between America and Europe is stark, in the USA it seems atleast because it is a nation of immigrants differences are celebrated and whilst you still get racists and all sorts generally speaking their is much more acceptance of different cultures
 
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Well you would be surprised to see how much the new generation integrates...from learning the language to actually knowing their rights and having friends from other ethnic groups...the problem arises from those few or lets say half who were in Europe when it lacked tolerance and Muslims were prosecuted....Parents with such scenes in their minds think they are protecting their children by forbidding them fro interacting....
Plus the new set of people moving to Europe are professionals or students so they are kind of tilting this stereotype but those who are established for a generation or more lack proper integration (again cant really be said about everyone)
However, the new generations I have seen (while travelling around a bit) are really seeing the need to integrate esp those who go to school and actually enter working lives...However those who live in all similar ethnicity fail to realize it coz they dont see themselves in Europe esp when everyone around is talking the same language, wearing the same, eating the same and all...

Cant paint everyone with 1 brush ....
 
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The situation is actually very complicated, varies from country to country and varies massively within different areas of those countries. It also varies on the background of the Muslims and from person to person.

Muslims in the UK, especially the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community have a significant number of people who don't mix and don't like to mix with the outside world. That has been the case for a very long time, for decades now. And arguably, it's a perfectly natural thing to do. As a result, there are many areas you'll see in London for example where you will find little to no presence of our community. At the other end of the spectrum you have places like Southall, where I could go maybe even half an hour without seeing a single white British person.

Muslims should not confine themselves to their own, Britain and it's people have done plenty to accommodate people from all around the world including Muslims.

I can live, work, socialise among people outside of my community, it's easy. It may not be the most convenient given the kind of lifestyles we are bound to lead, it's still possible.

But this issue was turned into really, something else after 9/11, after 7/7. There wasn't enough condemnation or public message from the Muslim community which was needed in response to these events. The reason being that the Muslim community in the UK is very 'diverse' and there's a serious lack of unity. In west London we do Eid a day before all the East London mosques. In my local community, we have two mosques, one very large mosque, made and run by Pakistanis primarily. Now there's a new mosque, an Afghan mosque, virtually, within a few hundred meters of the old mosque, but people made it, and the Afghans and some Indian muslims prefer to go there. There's no unified voice of Muslims, not even of the same sect, not even of the same area.

Couple that with the fact that the ONLY muslim voice that was heard was the unified voice of the extremists (which the media craves).

We bought this on ourselves, largely, I'd say. The factors and conditions that contributed were there and were things out of our control, but we failed on our part to respond properly.

Now, only we Muslims can turn it around. Should not be expecting, ordinary people or those far right parties on the rise to accept us. And another problem you can add in here, the more Muslims feel alienated and discriminated against, the more they retreat, when they should really make their voice heard and make a change.

@Raja Pakistani @flamer84 @MarkusS @Audio @Jungibaaz @Windjammer @Aeronaut

Note: Please tag other Europeans or Muslims/Pakistani living in Europe who are present on this forum. I would like to listen to all of your views.

@Jaanbaz @Oscar
 
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The situation is actually very complicated, varies from country to country and varies massively within different areas of those countries. It also varies on the background of the Muslims and from person to person.

Muslims in the UK, especially the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community have a significant number of people who don't mix and don't like to mix with the outside world. That has been the case for a very long time, for decades now. And arguably, it's a perfectly natural thing to do. As a result, there are many areas you'll see in London for example where you will find little to no presence of our community. At the other end of the spectrum you have places like Southall, where I could go maybe even half an hour without seeing a single white British person.

Muslims should not confine themselves to their own, Britain and it's people have done plenty to accommodate people from all around the world including Muslims.

I can live, work, socialise among people outside of my community, it's easy. It may not be the most convenient given the kind of lifestyles we are bound to lead, it's still possible.

But this issue was turned into really, something else after 9/11, after 7/7. There wasn't enough condemnation or public message from the Muslim community which was needed in response to these events. The reason being that the Muslim community in the UK is very 'diverse' and there's a serious lack of unity. In west London we do Eid a day before all the East London mosques. In my local community, we have two mosques, one very large mosque, made and run by Pakistanis primarily. Now there's a new mosque, an Afghan mosque, virtually, within a few hundred meters of the old mosque, but people made it, and the Afghans and some Indian muslims prefer to go there. There's no unified voice of Muslims, not even of the same sect, not even of the same area.

Couple that with the fact that the ONLY muslim voice that was heard was the unified voice of the extremists (which the media craves).

We bought this on ourselves, largely, I'd say. The factors and conditions that contributed were there and were things out of our control, but we failed on our part to respond properly.

Now, only we Muslims can turn it around. Should not be expecting, ordinary people or those far right parties on the rise to accept us. And another problem you can add in here, the more Muslims feel alienated and discriminated against, the more they retreat, when they should really make their voice heard and make a change.



@janbaaz @Oscar
Expert: Islam taking over, Europe soon to be unrecognizable - Israel News, Ynetnews
I know this is little off-topic but is worth bringing up, Muslims won't be a minority in Europe around the year 2030
 
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See this is what happens when the voice of the majorit of Muslims voice is missing, sensationalist media can make headlines like: 'Islam taking over'. As if our birthrate is some convoluted plot to destroy Europe from within.
I agree.
Until all the Muslim voices don't become a single voice, we will continue to see the attempts to demoralize of our People
 
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What is this thread about and why am i marked here? o_O I´m not interested in ethno bullshit.
 
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How about the integration of large christian societies in muslim countries? I would liek to make a holiday trip for Mecca for example.
 
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Muslims in the UK, especially the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community have a significant number of people who don't mix and don't like to mix with the outside world. That has been the case for a very long time, for decades now. And arguably, it's a perfectly natural thing to do. As a result, there are many areas you'll see in London for example where you will find little to no presence of our community. At the other end of the spectrum you have places like Southall, where I could go maybe even half an hour without seeing a single white British person.

Muslims should not confine themselves to their own, Britain and it's people have done plenty to accommodate people from all around the world including Muslims.

I can live, work, socialise among people outside of my community, it's easy. It may not be the most convenient given the kind of lifestyles we are bound to lead, it's still possible.

I think you need two hands for clapping. We have some Muslims in UK who don't want to mix up with white British people but then we also have some white British out there who wish and prefer to stay reserve with Muslims or Asians or even foreigners. Its not even Muslims vs Non Muslims thing. Pakistani Muslims have their own grouping while Somalian and Bangladeshi have their own areas for example when i was in white chapel every second person i seen there was bengali and then south hall is all about asian mostly sikhs and Pakistani Punjabi.... black people also have their own community and such grouping bound to happen in a multi cultural or multi religious society.
 
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How about the integration of large christian societies in muslim countries? I would liek to make a holiday trip for Mecca for example.

I know many non Muslims that would like to see Mecca with their own eyes but alas some Muslims make weird laws and attribute to Islam. Christians, Jews and Pagans used to live in Mecca during the time of the Prophet. I don't see the reason why Non Muslims should not be allowed to visit Mecca.

In France, Pakistanis sell kebabs on the motorway and everyone laughs at them LOL.

Are the kebabs nice?
 
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