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Amid border tensions, Nawaz sends Modi mangoes

Thanks. I am not much aware about scandals in Pakistan and scale of it but recently one of our ex-IAF chief was found complicit in a defence deal for kickbacks. Sometimes other sr. officers names come up but for something so trivial like acquiring a flat or plot of land which was not ethically right. Right now they are fighting for One Rank One Pension for retired servicemen. Does Pakistan Army have one rank one pension scheme?

~160 billion pak ruppees (almost $1.6 billion) goes to pensions.....I don't know about one rank one pension stuff....but I'm strictly against any form of pensions given to anyone....you got paid for what you worked for, now that you're not working, we don't owe you anything.....
 
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Is that really the case? Are you sure? Have you seen Modi come out openly and say something "I want war with Pakistan" or "I want hostilities at the border"? Although he actually wants a war to be honest to you.
But the Pakistani army is in no position to fight, its busy in FATA, its busy in Sindh, Baluchistan and now helping flood victims. How do you fight with an Army of 300,000 with another army fully prepared and has over 800,000 troops to be put onto your border?

People like you and other people from the military or the ex-military are so hawkish that they have no idea how serious of a situation this is and how big of a puddle of shiit Pakistan is under. So NS is doing what India did in the 90's, law low, put your head down, GROW THE DAMN ECONOMY. Once that's all set and you can afford to have a defense budget of $ 20-25 billion, TRUST ME, you can then be hawkish. Right now, you'll end up breaking your country or damaging parts of it.

This is just one way to show the world that the Pakistanis want to engage in diplomacy. At the end, no war will serve any real purpose to the region and millions will die if a war was to break out. Its time to let go of anti-NS mentality. The guys put in a strong foundation for a future Pakistan to build. On this very forum, there is a thread called development in Pakistan. Check out how much work is being done in all provinces to create an infrastructure for everything for a progressive, modern and future Pakistan. I think you guys should work as a nation, not as a war monger hawkish regime who doesn't have the ability to be in a full scale war with India, but yet, people like you, are too busy suggesting that, directly and indirectly.

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time out

what side of bed you got up from?


come get some



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How many political parties are controlled by Indians?????

Nawaz"s Party, MQM..... and have seen another thread where in IK was blamed (indirectly)......
my dear please dont be defensive
it was a light post at the expense of our PM
I didnt suggest that he is controlled by Modi . he just loves giving away mangoes too much and I tried to rationalise his actions
 
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For witnessing the development being done, I don't need to go through a thread.
I live here and see it myself.

If you ever have a chance to come here, you will see the military doing everything in Pakistan, which is supposed to be done by the civilians..

1. Flood control.
2. Elections control.
3. Polio control.
4. Disaster Management.
5. General Law & Order.
6. All roads in the north made by FWO
7. Anti-terrorism.

All these tasks are the responsibility of the civilian govt, but we all know what they are good at.

I am not against a civilian govt, but it must be a sincere and competent govt, not corrupt and unfortunately we only get garbage.

I highly doubt that the tasks above are a responsibility of the current government. You clearly shrugged off the REASONS why they have BECOME a responsibility of the military. Its because in ALL previous military rules (which is majority of your country's life), the powerful military generals didn't give a rats as* about the common Pakistani. Yet, through their patriotism, they kept their respect in place.

If you had proper civilian government for the past 70 years, people would've been educated to know that they DESERVE a Metro system, they deserve Healthcare and Education. When you force a child in a house and never let him leave, he or she doesn't know the outside world and what they can do with their lives. That was the Pakistani nation back then, solely due to the military rule. If the military rule didn't spend a dime in educating people about Polio, why complain about it after 70 years of mess? Who provided automatic weapons to different organizations in Karachi and other parts of the country? Military rulers, for their own benefit have created militias, terrorists (Talibans) and have supported fractions that you have been fighting with for the past decade and a half. Lost 60,000 men of honor protecting their homeland and resulted in billions in loss. These soldiers didn't have to die if the Pakistani military had realized the "Strategic depth" was an illusion and that their country would pay a heavy price. The US had been advising you on this since 2001, but you started to have a holly shiit moment post 2006 and till now, its a three front war, resulting in billions of loss (more) and loss of precious lives of soldiers.

If the military's leadership FAILED to even understand the flood issue, the electric, the polio, the terrorism (which was created 90% by the military), why blame the people for ALL 70 years of mess when they've been in power in like 3 years or so. In those three years, they amount of work being done, has exceeded what has been done over the past 70 years!!! If the military guys were so smart and educated, why didn't Pakistan become a top 20 economy back then? Why she never had $ 18 billion in her savings account and credit and other ratings by Moody's and Bloomberg at a level where it is today?

Why no new highways were built, hospitals and education???? The military ONLY ran the military. Not the people of Pakistan. That's the job of the civilian government. By the way, in ANY country, when there is a law and order situation, the Governors or the PM's or the Presidents are allowed to call para-military or military for support. That's actually one of their real jobs.

In the past three years, here's the civilian government's progress that supersedes all progress made in the past 70 years!!!

1) Long term energy production planning so the economy can grow. Electric output has the most impact on an economy. The current government is trying to double up the entire energy system. So the system that existed for over 70 years, they are trying to double it up in a total of 8 years (including 5 year term they have).
2) Proper growth estimate for the population, its needs for hospitals, schools, jobs, etc. Never in the history of Pakistan has anyone done these estimations. These guys are going out to 2040.
3) Doubling up the stock market by creating investor friendly policies.
4) Having confirmations for over $ 60 billion in investment ($ 46 billion from China, the rest from other places).
5) Managing an India who really wants a conventional war as they know Pak Army is spread too thin and the air force is being modernized but not yet there. So perfect time to do some damage. But the way NS is handling Modi and his regime, he's keeping their hope for war to a minimal.
6) Various programs to expand defense, for Army, Navy and the Air Force. You think the military has the money????
7) Starting tax initiatives so that a stronger and better tax base can be formed.
8) Starting nationalist initiatives, which Pakistan as a nation REALLY needs. Urdu being an official language is just one of them. The largest flag made in Lahore, was another one. Things like such, which bring out the nationalism from within the people and they start to be united.
I can go on and on, but I think I've given you enough of details on what runs and moves a country forward. Its never the military, its the civilians. The base of a new and prosperous Pakistan has already been put in place by the current government. The future will be built upon it, whether you like it or not!!! Here are some proofs of the progress recognized by others:

Moody's changes Pakistan's rating outlook to stable

Here's some details from Bloomberg. You can google yourself too:

On July 3, 2015 Bloomberg reported that Pakistan’s economy has been growing well and its economic health is better than that of India.
Moody’s and Standards & Poor (US based economic health rating agencies) have improved Pakistan’s health rating due to good relations with IMF as written in the report.
The Karachi Stock Exchange has grown by 16% during the last one year and is one of the top 10 best performing stock markets.

Here's the un-taxed economy of Pakistan. By putting tax reforms, you'll earn many billions more in tax revenue. But overall, the economy is strong.

The Secret Strength of Pakistan's Economy - Businessweek

Pakistan's foreign reserves as of many months ago. Currently, they are over $ 18 billion (highest in the history of Pakistan) with about 65-70 ton of Gold in reserves in addition to liquid cash.

Pakistan - Foreign Exchange Reserves - Actual Data - Historical Charts

wo wo wo
time out
what side of bed you got up from?
come get some

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That's it? To a very serious post, this is your response? How about some facts or write your counter position so people can see how bad the military has fukked the future of over 100 million Pakistanis for the past 50+ years? That number of Pakistanis is now at $ 200 million and now they've realized. Holly shiit.....we THE PEOPLE deserve better education, healthcare, motorways, metro systems, jobs, economic growth and a better life. Something that uncle's generals had never let happen, yet they played the "We are saving you" card. Boots belong to barracks or the borders, unless they are called for help within the borders. They, otherwise have no purpose, brain power or sense to run a country and grow it economically. 50+ years of military rulers have shown this as a proven fact and its part of Pakistan's dark black military dictatorship history!
 
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Hi,
This shows the stance of Our current so called democratically elected NAWAZ. Than when our soldiers refused to take sweets( In a protest of border shooting) He sends out mangoes to MOdi Ji.

Never misses any point to humiliate the men-in-uniform in front of other
 
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who you calling Jackass? Modi G is a prime Minster of India
Nawaz is keeping his "sweet" because he has investments worth millions in India.




this is nice of him to send mangoes. after all India is one of his biggest investment base like UAE and UK.
question is .. did Modi keep the Mangoes or shoved them up his arse* since Pakistani rangers returned the sweets from BSF due to fatalities due to recent border firing.
I dont think writing such bakwas makes you look cool or anything...

The very fact that people were killed and only thing running in an egghead's brain is food be it fruits is really disgusting!

He could have given water to Sindh if he has soo much money and loves charity :undecided:

For witnessing the development being done, I don't need to go through a thread.
I live here and see it myself.

If you ever have a chance to come here, you will see the military doing everything in Pakistan, which is supposed to be done by the civilians..

1. Flood control.
2. Elections control.
3. Polio control.
4. Disaster Management.
5. General Law & Order.
6. All roads in the north made by FWO
7. Anti-terrorism.

All these tasks are the responsibility of the civilian govt, but we all know what they are good at.

I am not against a civilian govt, but it must be a sincere and competent govt, not corrupt and unfortunately we only get garbage.
When I point this out people trash me just coz I dont live in Pakistan....Some people are seriously slaves of god knows what evil! :tsk:
 
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~160 billion pak ruppees (almost $1.6 billion) goes to pensions.....I don't know about one rank one pension stuff....but I'm strictly against any form of pensions given to anyone....you got paid for what you worked for, now that you're not working, we don't owe you anything.....
I think you have a valid point. Instead of giving blanket pensions to all retiring servicemen, they should rather be absorbed in other govt. departments and be governed by the service rules of that dept. Pension should go to only those soldiers who either retire on superannuation or become incapable. This will be a big debate and related to morale of the soldiers hence a difficult decision.
 
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I dont think writing such bakwas makes you look cool or anything...

The very fact that people were killed and only thing running in an egghead's brain is food be it fruits is really disgusting!

He could have given water to Sindh if he has soo much money and loves charity :undecided:
Hi,

Do you remember those shawls 4 of them each wad about 4k in dollars!

That was returned from gate :D

And that too during heatwave, when around 1,100 People died.

So now you can understand the leadership of his Royal Highness Al NAWAZ Al al Alshiekh
 
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Hi,

Do you remember those shawls 4 of them each wad about 4k in dollars!

That was returned from gate :D

And that too during heatwave, when around 1,100 People died.

So now you can understand the leadership of his Royal Highness Al NAWAZ Al al Alshiekh
Appaently he likes giving gifts when Pakistan is facing some sort of bad time....Either the head god gave doesnt have an existing brain in it or it malfunctioned sometime after elections!
 
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Appaently he likes giving gifts when Pakistan is facing some sort of bad time....Either the head god gave doesnt have an existing brain in it or it malfunctioned sometime after elections!
Hi,

Some would disagree by saying " it was all the same". Only time has changed with him :D
 
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How many political parties are controlled by Indians?????

Nawaz"s Party, MQM..... and have seen another thread where in IK was blamed (indirectly)......

All political leaders and parties in pakistan are sell outs and Indian agents...only the establishment is the true patriot..;) if you know what I mean.
 
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I would love to see Pakistan and India together. I have alot of Indian friends here in states and they are like my brothers but on this forum its like "alot" of you guys are a bunch of babies fighting over something completely irrelevant and stupid, I wish we were together we both have such great cultures and so much power that we can change the whole world but no they have to fight to fix everything :(
 
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my dear please dont be defensive
it was a light post at the expense of our PM
I didnt suggest that he is controlled by Modi . he just loves giving away mangoes too much and I tried to rationalise his actions

If you notice. ..even the article is mocking nawaz for sending mangoes in all the ruckus.
 
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