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America's dominance is over. By 2030, we'll have a handful of global powers

looking at recent trends US, India and Russia seem to be taking better medium term policy decisions than China and Germany. With Xi consolidating power with the removal of certain officials, while short term stability is assured it is at the cost of medium term. Similarly in Germany Merkel has failed to control welfare economic measures and immigration issues.
 
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India is ancient country and the only country with civilizational continuity. Our Hindu religion is 6000 years old, one of the oldest religions of the world. The term Indology is study on India -ancient, medieval, modern times. In all top Universities across the world from Harvards to Oxfords offer MA in Indology. If want me to recommend books on India by international experts, I will be glad to recommend.

So much for a 6000 year civilization that their official language is english, their law is english law. Do I need to carry on? Map of 1500.

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Which one of those would you say is India? I see atleast 4-5 countries of my ancestors there. Ottomans, Timurids, Akkoyunlu(white sheep turks), Mamluks etc.
 
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So much for a 6000 year civilization that their official language is english, their law is english law. Do I need to carry on? Map of 1500.

East-Hem_1500ad.jpg

Which one of those would you say is India? I see atleast 4-5 countries of my ancestors there. Ottomans, Timurids, Akkoyunlu(white sheep turks), Mamluks etc.

Are you a Pakistani? Your hate for India is too obvious. India has nothing to do with Turkey, nor I am interested in a country that has no consequences for India.
 
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Greeks were the first one to name this part of World " India " ( which happened Before Christ ). The name reentered English in 17th century .

Mughals called their empire Hindustan .

The name was used among Europeans even before that in 1507 by German Cartographers: Martin Waldseemüller and Matthias Ringmann

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_world_maps

Waldseemuller_map_2.jpg


America is like a Hydra, several heads in all continent.
They have alot of military redundancies all over the world
 
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2030 is not a 100 years away.

Its literally around the corner.

Its not even one FULL generation.

So too say you cant predict what the world will look like by 2030 is not true.

THE PREDICTIONS of the top six GDP industyrial giants being USA china Japan India Germany & UK are 100% correct

What I don't agree with is that indian military or even japan or Germany will be global reach military powers.

ONLY USA will remain a true global military power
China will have reach but not beyond the china seas and the indian ocean.
The others including india will be regional military powers only.

PS I completely disagree with Pakistan being even close to matching india in 2030 India simply has enormous financial and political reach which Pakistan will never match by 2030 india population will be 7 times the size of paklistan but its GDP closer to 12 times the size. India military budgt dwarfs Pakistan BY 5-1 by 2030 this will be between 8 and 10 TO 1

without gdp and economy you cant gain military power
 
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The name was used among Europeans even before that in 1507 by German Cartographers: Martin Waldseemüller and Matthias Ringmann

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_world_maps

Waldseemuller_map_2.jpg



They have alot of military redundancies all over the world

Are you a Pakistani? Your hate for India is too obvious. India has nothing to do with Turkey, nor I am interested in a country that has no consequences for India.

kabhi to zindagi main sach bol , He is saying right, India, hind, Hindustan are names of region called subcontinent, it was never a single country even under Mughal or Maratha or whomever you want to quote, it was always divided among different entities, republic of India was founded by Brits, Gandhi, Nehru and Patel in 1947, before that India was used for whole region like europe or Asia, there was no India as a single entity.. And what civilization you are talking about?
 
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kabhi to zindagi main sach bol , He is saying right, India, hind, Hindustan are names of region called subcontinent, it was never a single country even under Mughal or Maratha or whomever you want to quote, it was always divided among different entities, republic of India was founded by Brits, Gandhi, Nehru and Patel in 1947, before that India was used for whole region like europe or Asia, there was no India as a single entity.. And what civilization you are talking about?


So from the dawn of time the SUB CONTIENENT was called india

AND

From the year 1947 SUB CONTINENT divided in to 3 new states AND the LARGEST most powerful state was CALLED INDIA

SO what does this prove
 
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So from the dawn of time the SUB CONTIENENT was called india

AND

From the year 1947 SUB CONTINENT divided in to 3 new states AND the LARGEST most powerful state was CALLED INDIA

SO what does this prove

read my post again then reply..
 
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Except yours is a very simplistic view. Born out of nothing except the single point desire to show Pakistan as an equal to India.

This is where you indians are in your own fantasy world. There is no "equality" in case of Indo-Pak because for obvious size difference. However, nobody is trying to be equal to india lol..

What you don't understand is that India and Pakistan is in similar league. United States, for example, is a LEAGUE APART than india, Pakistan, and even China as of now.

Russia and China are a league apart than india and Pakistan. india and Pakistan are not in a different league (Irrespective of what gullible, insecure indians would like to believe). Is india more power than Pakistan? Yes. Does india lead Pakistan in *some* fields? Yes, but so does Pakistan. But overall--in terms of military quality, weapon systems, and capabilities---both india and Pakistan are in pretty same league.

Your generals know it too and we see it on daily basis--where both india and Pakistan inflict similar amount of damages on each other via insurgencies, cross border raiders, skirmishes on LoC and what not.

The difference of being "leagues" apart is clearly revealed when U.S and Pakistan face off due to U.S drone strikes. Our options against them are limited and we can not respond in similar fashion--because they are indeed LEAGUES apart than us.

Hopefully that explains a little bit of the reality as we see it.

We don't need to show Pakistan as an equal to india--Pakistan is ALREADY an equal to india (not in terms of having same amount of military power--india leads offcourse due to bigger size and military, but being in the same military capability league as india). And again, we have seen this military equality being played out on borders for decades now.

Believe me, if it was Russia on our borders--there wouldn't be any equality of response as we see in india-Pakistan case :)

Hopefully you get the point...

Here's another hint: If india was indeed a league above us, it would totally dominate the military escalation ladder and coerce Pakistan to submit during various stand offs, in the after math of 2008 Mumbai attacks, and recently fallout of Uri attacks.

We both know how that played out. No side was able to completely dominate the other side militarily and status-quo remained (irrespective of rhetoric).

Now imagine Pakistan trying to maintain the escalation ladder with the U.S or Russia etc. LOL, not a chance.

But offcourse, according to indian gullible fanboys wetdreams, india is leagues apart than Pakistan and decisively more powerful militarily belonging to a completely different league of global power strata :lol:

Your thinking is limited to tanks, jets, ballistic missiles and in Pakistan's case Diesel powered submarines (SSK) armed with nuclear payload capable cruise missiles. These do not make a Great Military power unless you also couple it with

1. Strategic lift capabilities - Sea/Air/Land
2. Mechanized and heli lifted Exped forces of a certain size

There is a reason India is investing in LPD's, Aircraft Carriers, nuclear(propulsion) boats, AAW destroyers, floating docks or an entire expeditionary Corps(we are calling it by other names obviously).

All good an dandy to write about, but what india is building is not a global force, but rather an effort to be able to withstand China's might. Furthermore, expeditionary forces are built with a purpose in mind. For example, U.S has the military to be able to fight theatre level conflicts across multiple continents at the same time. india has literally no such plans nor the worldview. Why would you need the expeditionary force? To fight Somalia? lols..

Lets be real and not kid ourselves--even with ALL the plans india currently has becoming 100% operational with full effect, india would not be a country that would be able to fight any sustained conflict in Latin Americas, or Middle-East, or Europe etc. It would, at best, be able to withstand China in a regional, conventional war...

They are practically redundant against Pakistan seeing as Pakistan is India's immediate neighbour. Therefore, there must be a reason why India is building these at obnoxious costs.

China. Not global, but China..lets not kid ourselves here..


None of these things are being purchased or built by Pakistan now or even on their horizon in their near future. The reason is simple - cost.

Pakistan does not need any of these to fight a war against India. Pakistan would like to have them IF they could afford it. They simply can't.

Pakistan's primary focus will remain india and we have build enough military strength to effectively choke any indian thought of a major military conflict with us. All we have to do is to maintain this.

india, too, will find a similar status-quo against China soon enough (hence all the military investment etc).

Moreover, Pakistan has had a far bigger military role in International arena compared to india, which never played any major military role outside of its immediate borders.

Pakistan directly participated in Arab-Israel conflict, maintained a brigade level military presence across middle East (Jordan, Saudi Arabia etc), was directly involved against Soviet Union with its forces, planners, logistics, and fighters. Hell, we even intervened directly in a European conflict whereby our military airlifted weapons to Muslim forces in Bosnia to slow down the genocidal assaults of Serbians (Bosnia and Serjivo are Muslim majority European nations and beautiful cities today, btw. And we played a role in that directly.International court actually charged one of our Brigade Commander as well for his role in the conflict, lol). And offcourse, our special forces, ammunition, and training were on the ground in Sri Lanka when they finally crushed LTTE...

india, despite being bigger in size, has no way near the level of global military role as Pakistan has had uptil now. I am not talking about few tactical operations such as freeing hostage or what have you (Pakistan has a huge list of those!)--I am talking about having significant and sustained military presence and engagements thousands of miles away from one's borders in completely different environments.


Israel has all the requisite things you mention - Tanks, SSK Submarines with nuclear tipped cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, jets, an entire country of military reserves at its beck and all. Furthermore, it is extremely well entrenched in global trade landscape and absolutely invaluable in cutting edge tech and research. Yet it is not a Global military power.

Yes, Israel is not a great military power but it would have been had it's standing military was 850,000 and not 170k...

Anyways I feel we are going in circles now..so whatever.
 
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Before I joined the USAF in 1983, I read many analysts, Americans, Soviets, Europeans, and Asians, who predicted that by the late 1980s, the Soviet economy will be the largest in the world.
I agree.

You elected Trump.Anything can happen.Maybe US will not be in top 3.

Just Kidding.
 
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Never heard of a country called India before 1947. Before the British it was mughals. My ancestors are the mughals.


Never heard of a country called Turkey before 1921,always tought of it as just a bird sacrificed by Yanks on ThanksGiving Day.

Neah dude,you're ancestors are Armenians and Greeks,perhaps Kurds to.They just converted to stupid and that's why you're who you are.This is where Turkey is sister nation to PaKISTAN.
 
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Never heard of a country called Turkey before 1921,always tought of it as just a bird sacrificed by Yanks on ThanksGiving Day.

Neah dude,you're ancestors are Armenians and Greeks,perhaps Kurds to.They just converted to stupid and that's why you're who you are.This is where Turkey is sister nation to PaKISTAN.

I haven't heard of Romania too. Just heard your the world's suppliers of prostitutes. I'm sure you never heard of us, just ask ur grandfather's. Your shitty little nation was our slaves and your ancestors used to clean our feet at best. We fu.... Your women and pissed on you. You are nothing anyway lol. Muhahahah
 
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