America's 7 mistakes in Afghanistan

[Paan Singh]

I have never heard Mr kayani talk about any strategic depth.

What the heck are you talking about.

Do you even know what is a strategic depth.

I gave link above and you can easily find on internet too..just type strategic depth pakistan afghanistan

 

[ajtr]

A nuclear power doesn't need any strategic depth. The delusion is on your side.

But a non nuclear power now has got the strategic depth in nuclear power country.

 

[Ticker]

But a non nuclear power now has got the strategic depth in nuclear power country.

hmmmmm ..... quite a statement. It may be us who have let them allow some strategic depth for a different reason.

I gave link above and you can easily find on internet too..just type strategic depth pakistan afghanistan

Its all a crap. He never talked about this strategic depth BS in Afghanistan.

 

[Xeric]

In this connection i would also like to add that the US spends approx $11.2 Billion (thrice the Defence Budget of #Pakistan) to train, equip and feed free burgers and cokes to ANA (strength 0.2M) annually. My concern is that how Afghanistan will sustain these soldiers who have become habitual of Western standards, American equipment and their food, especially if Afghanistan dont even has an established 'Taxation System'?

i guess that answer is that when the US leaves Afghanistan, the ANA will do what it did best - go back to their previous warlords and ravage Afghanistan and pose a danger to everyone around them, once again. Now, one can just wonder what prospects would this hold for the entire World then?

And thus my question; wouldnt it be easier for Pakistan to deal with a united, stable and sane Afghanistan as opposed to a divided Afg (among Mullah warlords who has a nick for beheading people) where everyone would be doing its own thing for his personal gains without giving any thought to what their actions might do to the world, especially when China, Pakistan, India, Russia (to name a few) would also be working (covertly) inside Afg to influence the situation to their benefit - just imagine this; Afg is unstable and divided and >>>> india is in bed with XYZ Mullah warlord, Pakistan is doing the same with another ABC Group, China is cutting deals with some other EFG Mullah for its own gains, and Russia is also sharing vodka with some fourth PQR warriors for her own show. Now also top this with the following possibility; everyone of this group is also being used separately by these countries to finger it's (perceived) enemy by utilizing the expertise of this warrior race in proxy war? Wouldnt it be something?!

But alternatively, how about if Afg becomes stable, has its own functioning govt, collects its own tax i.e. is not dependent much on aid and most important of all possesses the capability of making its OWN DECISIONS without taking dictation from outsiders and do what it itself percussive is best for Afg? Why cant this option appeal the common sense of the author of the article and those who are proponents of; "A strong, independent, nationalist Afghanistan is anathema to Pakistanis"?

Stupidity, perhaps?

 

[ajtr]

hmmmmm ..... quite a statement. It may be us who have let them allow some strategic depth for a different reason.

Different reason i can see only in 40000 graves and counting...............

 

[Ticker]

Different reason i can see only in 40000 graves and counting...............

Agreed. When one is in the midst of the eye of the storm generated by Great Game played by world powers, one suffers and badly too. This is the reality. How long we can sustain it and get out of it with relatively less damage is the moot point. The damage has been there. 40000 and counting.

 

[ajtr]

Agreed. When one is in the midst of the eye of the storm generated by Great Game played by world powers, one suffers and badly too. This is the reality. How long we can sustain it and get out it with relatively less damage is the moot point. The damage has been there. 40000 and counting.

You were not midst of great game but you joined it to play hence got trapped like every player of the game in the storm.

Remember when elephants fights its the grass that suffers the damage.

 

[Ticker]

You were not midst of great game but you joined it to play hence got trapped like every player of the game in the storm.

Remember when elephants fights its the grass that suffers the damage.

Nope. There was no option. We would have suffered even if we didn't join. This is how these things are played and how these things suck you up.

 

[Xeric]

Not unstable A-stan but planting a proxy govt in A-stan...

^^ Isnt it the same thing?

One cannot have its proxies flourishing inside Afg with a functional Afghan govt and a stable Afg with functional state institutions like the Police, Military and bureaucracy.

So, try to understand the situation and then comment.

You people are deluded with strategic depth in A-stan..

Nope.

Zia was, Kiyani is not.

Try to keep pace with the happenings.

General Kayani

This is a classic example of misquoting statements and pick and choosing the same for ones own benefits.

i think you missed the following FAMOUS statement but the same Gen Kiyani:

Gen Ashfaq Kayani has reiterated the army`s position on Afghanistan Pakistan wants a “peaceful, friendly and stable” Afghanistan; strategic depth isn`t about “controlling” Afghanistan but about ensuring Pakistan doesn`t have a long-term security problem on its western border; India`s role in Afghanistan is “unhelpful”; and Pakistan wants Afghan state institutions, including the army and the police force, to be fashioned in a manner that they don`t pose a threat to our “strategic interests”. - Kayani speaks | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia | DAWN.COM

India wants to exploit A-stan so that pakistan remain away from kashmir and fights on other front.Otherwise why you wont train militants there and send them to india?

That's the actual problem, that's exactly what the writer had tried so hard but failed to hide in his piece

This have been accepted by hamid gul to musharaf that pakistan used A-stan for training the millitants and for further attacks in india but due to U.S presence and its priority to india,it backfired ..

Accepted by Gen Musharraf who is as guud as dead and Gen Gul who is not even allowed visa to the West. Funny!!

 

[ajtr]

Nope. There was no option. We would have suffered even if we didn't join. This is how these things are played and how these things suck you up.

you had the option to choose right during ZAB time.Alas Pakistan chose to go USA ways again.

 

[Ticker]

you had the option to choose right during ZAB time.Alas Pakistan chose to go USA ways again.

And what did you gain by going to Russia. 50 years of hindu growth rate.

 

[ajtr]

And what did you gain by going to Russia. 50 years of hindu growth rate.

Seems like you try to take lift and crashed with it we tried to build the staircase over 65 yrs.In the end its always the staircase which come to help than the lift.

 

[Ticker]

Seems like you try to take lift and crashed with it we tried to build the staircase over 65 yrs.In the end its always the staircase which come to help than the lift.

Crap and you know it. You lost hundreds of thousands of Indians in order to keep yourself united. Going to Russia kept you away from raising the level of your teeming millions of poor in poverty. We atleast didn't have the kid of poverty India had and we still do not have that kind of poverty. India's half of the population lives under poverty line and you want to become a world power. You won't reach there as long as you don't do what the Americans ask you to do i.e. counter China in the manner they want. Your staircase is still rickety and wont be able to sustain the weight it carries, for long.

The situation in Afghanistan will not remain like this forever. We will get out of this, while you will get in this kind of crap that we are now in, when you do what the US wants you to do. This will happen.

Barray Elephants ki larai mein chote elephants bhi ragrray jatay hein.

 

[Thorough Pro]

So you posted the whole article just to extract and highlight this specific sentence in a second post. Tell you what, who ever wrote this article is as stupid as all the american governments and heads of their forces. america did not make 7 mistakes, they made only one mistake, and that was to ever think about invading Afghanistan, seven mistakes he mentioned are actually seven excuses for their one mistake.

As far as Pakistani identity or self confidence on this identity is concerned every one knows which country is standing up to protect its interests and which supa chupa is licking Americans ***.

That's true.

 

[ajtr]

Crap and you know it. You lost hundreds of thousands of Indians in order to keep yourself united. Going to Russia kept you away from raising the level of your teeming millions of poor in poverty. We atleast didn't have the kid of poverty India had and we still do not have that kind of poverty. India's half of the population lives under poverty line and you want to become a world power. You won't reach there as long as you don't do what the Americans ask you to do i.e. counter China in the manner they want. Your staircase is still rickety and wont be able to sustain the weight it carries, for long.

The situation in Afghanistan will not remain like this forever. We will get out of this, while you will get in this kind of crap that we are now in, when you do what the US wants you to do. This will happen.

Barray Elephants ki larai mein chote elephants bhi ragrray jatay hein.

sometimes i really think that you are really asleep or pretend to sleep while typing all these....Keeping country together is always the topmost priority for any country in the world.And for poverty Jumla i 'll say i would have my poverty and freedom then prostituting myself for money. Thats what india did and did rightly stherwise with easy money its like chaar din ki chandani fir andheri raat.Going to russia had nothing to do with indian economic policies.India always kept its distance from superpowers and still doing so.Cold war days it was necessary to keep distance from west..looking at pakistan today i must appreciate nehru did made right choice in 1947-1963.Russia was last resort to balance USA threats in 1971 hence USSR-indian friendship treaty was inked and worked well for india.but India never fought any super powers's war.Nationalization and licence raj i wonder who learnt from who was it bhutto first to implement it or Indira.Poverty sure india has but those many crores india pulled out of poverty since 47 is sure commendable job.I worked in this field so i know how much india has done in poverty elevation and no my information dont come from economist or bbc my information is compiled right on ground by us..
Stairs india built is not rickety its as strong and getting stronger haan its old but there are some termite but hay we have termite spray for that. And yes when i say i say with confidence that india dont have habit of dancing to usa tunes in strategic fields.Right Now NAM-2 is shaping shape in iran.And its your dreams that usa can pull india in its games like it pulled pakistan.India always keeps strategic independence.

with time chotay haathi avoid baday haati but jab woh bady ho jate hain to thokar bhi maar dete hain purane haathi ko.