American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[rai_kamal]

Ok,finally some investigation come from Nato.
I still can't believe that officials have informed that the area is clear,and on the otherside they are saying that the soldiers were asleep,man this is even unbelieve thing..
Don't know which side to support,i think some should also come up from pakistani side about which official had told them about that areas clearance ??
Because its getting more and more complex day by day...

 

[TaimiKhan]

What is the most convincing piece of argument?

A loaded gun.

And who's got the bigger gun here?

The truth, when in the history of mankind, did the truth ever matter? For all I know, the truth is what we (individually) believe.

Anyway, the Americans will also get satellite imagery and data from the plane to show the world who was at mistake.

I hope you do remember the official version of the US army of killing lots of militants / insurgents in Baghdad and the celebrations they had, and later when the wikileaks leaked the gun camera imagery it was found that they had gunned down innocent civilians, while the helicopter guys took a camera fitted with long lens as a weapons most likely a RPG-7 and based on that one weapon with one guy among so many, they engaged and killed all of them.

Truth was that US army killed militants, wikileaks exposed the truth as innocent Baghdadis getting chopped up with 30mm fire.

The same US army whom you championing for truth had lied in this incident, but truth was exposed by someone else. So many other cases where the US armed forces / USA gave the truth and truth came out to be a lie, WMDs in Iraq to be one, AQ had links with Saddam to be another, Abu Gharib etc etc and the list goes on.

 

[BATMAN]

you didn't read the report i guess!!!
pakistani posts are more like make shift camps rather then being a permanent bases and that actually was a reason why they consulted coordination border center to have a go ahead

no one can deny and dispel the coordination border center because we all know both militaries cooperate explicitly and profusely, we also know a video of both armies mingling with each other probably on border center so above report should be given some credence

Pakistani posts are in bad condition because ghadari is not issuing funds for WOT against TTP.
I wonder what is the point in not equipping our soldiers to fight against terrorists.
I agree govt. shall allocate huge funds to face bharti sponsored TTP.

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Ok,finally some investigation come from Nato.
I still can't believe that officials have informed that the area is clear,and on the otherside they are saying that the soldiers were asleep,man this is even unbelieve thing..
Don't know which side to support,i think some should also come up from pakistani side about which official had told them about that areas clearance ??
Because its getting more and more complex day by day...

It is not complex... it is simple bharat lured NATO to attack Pakistani posts via its proxy TTP.

All Pakistan need to do is send few babur to South bharat.

 

[President Camacho]

@Taimi,

There's barely any information coming out. I have not discounted any info here. I have believed every single word that came out, anonymous, or official, American, or Pakistani - simply because I want to explore every possibility.

Why do I want to explore every possibility - Because entire episode is covered in darkness, and all that we hear are nothing but words that go beyond common sense.

We are all aware of the repercussions of such an act on part of NATO. This act goes against the goals of NATO, and even threatens to derail the processes undertaken. So when the ISPR says that it was a deliberate act, I do not buy that.

About Americans, they say that the Pakistani troops fired at helicopters. I cannot believe that either because the Pakistani troops would have to be too stupid to fire at helis and invite that attack when they themselves had no air support.

I hope now you understand why it would be prudent to wait for the other side's report to come out as well.

 

[TaimiKhan]

So in every scenario that your present, NATO always comes right. This is the reason you shouldn't post because all your assessments reek of biased mentality that a handful of you display every opportunity. Thanks God, most of the Indians do not possess the same mentality.

And had there been any single attack on that Afghan side, they would have provided video evidence the same day of atleast some destruction or bullet holes! Dude, someday the situation will be reversed and hopefully I will have the opportunity to return this 'neutral observations'!

yaar, why are you complaining, they are Indians. They will never trust anything from our side, they are our enemies and thus they will always be happy on our deaths and will never accept the version we given, even if you give a video of the incident to them, they will not accept it, they will always find a fault with it and blame us.


Don't waste your time on them.

 

[President Camacho]

I hope you do remember the official version of the US army of killing lots of militants / insurgents in Baghdad and the celebrations they had, and later when the wikileaks leaked the gun camera imagery it was found that they had gunned down innocent civilians, while the helicopter guys took a camera fitted with long lens as a weapons most likely a RPG-7 and based on that one weapon with one guy among so many, they engaged and killed all of them.

Truth was that US army killed militants, wikileaks exposed the truth as innocent Baghdadis getting chopped up with 30mm fire.

The same US army whom you championing for truth had lied in this incident, but truth was exposed by someone else. So many other cases where the US armed forces / USA gave the truth and truth came out to be a lie, WMDs in Iraq to be one, AQ had links with Saddam to be another, Abu Gharib etc etc and the list goes on.

All that for the bold part?

I never called anyone a champion of truth. About atrocities during war, they happen everywhere. Tell me a country/race/religion/ethnicity that has remained immune to it.

I do not even know why you brought Iraq here. May be you want to show me some specific past events and help me base my judgment on that. I am sorry, I will not do that - not my thing. If I were to do that, you wouldn't want to know what I would think of Pakistani Army as. So let's drop that mental seasoning.

About Iraq war, I will gladly let you in on my feelings - If it were up to me, and not Bush, Saddam would have been dead before Y2K.

 

[Zarvan]

Pak army chief gives 'full liberty' to troops to retaliate future NATO attacks - The Times of India

 

[TaimiKhan]

here guys, watch and read this:

" After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own "Rules of Engagement".

Collateral Murder


They kill innocent people, video gun camera is clearly showing what the guy was carrying, the US military being championed to be always telling the truth, hid this video and the truth exposed by someone else.

This is how these NATO/US show their version of truth.

 

[PakShaheen79]

This is an old article written by Javed Choudhry in daily Express when Rao Qamar Suleman was made Air Chief. It is true every one was eyeing Shahid Latif to be the next Air Chief but i think we must not read too much into this as being an Air Chief, Rao Suleman has done equally good. Now if there was a external pressure of meddling in this decision that must be investigated properly but i don't remember a moment when Shahid Latif complaint about the decision.

 

[Rank]

BS by Americans AS USUAL! after all UNITED STATE OF ****

 

[Black Widow]

Pak army chief gives 'full liberty' to troops to retaliate future NATO attacks - The Times of India

It will worsen the scenario. More blood shed on Border. Pakistani soldiers are not match of Nato forces (In technical terms). In bravery they can be better.

 

[Hellfire]

Finally Thanks GOD Kiyani showed guts and allowed troops to hit back yes now if any attack Nato can expect horrible response from us this is should be enough of warning for Nato

Horrible response from you? I think you all gave a very horrible response post OBL incident ie NONE!! Dont you think that by hitting your troops (posts of whose would have been known to US for sure) the US wants you to exactly retaliate? Well its time Pakistan understood that giving covering fire or firing on troops operating near IB against militants is not exactly a very nice way to show friendly feelings.

Pakistani troops regularly resort to firing when Indian troops are conducting search and destroy missions against militants close to LC in order to facilitate exfiltration/infiltration of the militants ... so am not very surprised that they fired on US troops and got a response in reverse.

However, last time when US forces had hit OBL, Kayani had declared realiation against any NATO troops crossing into their territory ... and what happened? Today also NATO air strike struck into your territory .... ! This is just for public consumption. US would love to see you hit back ......

 

[TaimiKhan]

@Taimi,

There's barely any information coming out. I have not discounted any info here. I have believed every single word that came out, anonymous, or official, American, or Pakistani - simply because I want to explore every possibility.

Why do I want to explore every possibility - Because entire episode is covered in darkness, and all that we hear are nothing but words that go beyond common sense.

We are all aware of the repercussions of such an act on part of NATO. This act goes against the goals of NATO, and even threatens to derail the processes undertaken. So when the ISPR says that it was a deliberate act, I do not buy that.

About Americans, they say that the Pakistani troops fired at helicopters. I cannot believe that either because the Pakistani troops would have to be too stupid to fire at helis and invite that attack when they themselves had no air support.

I hope now you understand why it would be prudent to wait for the other side's report to come out as well.

PA troops are hardly equipped with decent night fighting equipment. Hardly one piece of NVGs are supplied to such posts, and these NVGs are good for some hundred meters, and few posts / troops have the thermal devices, which again good for a few hundred meters. Our 12.7mm platforms are not equipped with night seeing equipment. I wonder with hardly any good NVGs, how did the troops saw the helicopters which mush be atleast 500m-1KM away or more away from the post and firing from there. What were the troops firing at when they can't see in the night ?? We have mostly 1st gen NVGs which are god at just a few hundred meters distance. That is the reason i am not buying the NATO story. Had it been day time, i would have believed. Our troops are night blind, thus NATO saying their troops got engaged at night by the Pakistani post is BS.

Also, i am having dinner for the last 2 days consecutively who works in the Corps HQ and is involved in the investigation, it was deliberate. the reason PA is so harsh this time, is the main reason that the attack was deliberate.

 

[mjnaushad]

Heard a news yesterday that Kiyani order to end chain of Command system..... From now on the officer on the post will decide what to do......

 

[All-Green]

The fact remains that NATO attacked and martyred our troops.
This fact cannot change, no matter how many investigations we carry out.
NATO is not blind at night, does not lack for surveillance assets, nor does it lack for information regarding Pakistani check posts and positions on this porous border.

This is something Pakistan should understand and take sensible action accordingly.
We should deal with this as a deliberate attack on Pakistan, regardless of any crocodile tears shed by anyone.
Sadly even the crocodile tears are not coming...
There is no real apology forthcoming and frankly this makes our decision easier in a diplomatic sense.
If we cannot be allies then let us stop this drama and go our separate ways.

The first step is to stop NATO from resupplying through Pakistan and stop cooperating with NATO in any form.
Military confrontation is not needed if we first do things in a logical order.
If we calculate the fact that 30-40% of the supplies reach NATO through Pakistan then 4 out of every 10 rounds fired by NATO were brought through Pakistan in the first place.

Let us first stop helping them resupply and detach ourselves from this wonderful partnership which has been a farce on part of all the parties involved.

Regarding comments on PAF, i believe that this was a diplomatic trap.
Even now the Afghan comments are being highlighted by the western media, which ofcourse are in favor of NATO.
Had PAF engaged the aggressors, things would have gotten really ugly for Pakistan and would have been spun in another manner entirely.

I am not saying that we get spanked and do nothing, just that our reaction should now be very well planned.
First and foremost, NATO should not be able to resupply through the land which they attack.
Simple as that!
Let us then see what other pressures can be applied to ensure NATO is restricted.
I am sure no country in this region wants NATO to play its war games here.
There is a lot that can be done, however if Pakistan plays ally to NATO and then pleads such a case with the regional stakeholders...you can imagine how ineffective it can be!
Let us call a spade a spade and be done with this, however let us not go about things in the wrong order.