America new generation multirole F-35 vs Russia new generation multirole Su-35. Rate them in poll

[GumNaam]

Please. In English.

I said that can't he talk properly without cursing and using foul language?

 

[Ultima Thule]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermographic_camera
@undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermographic_camera
@undertakerwwefan

Thermal imaging AKA FLIR AKA IIR.

I said that can't he talk properly without cursing and using foul language?

He claims to be 40+ years old. I highly doubt it.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Thermal imaging AKA FLIR.

IRST and FLIR both using INFRARED WAVES but one is for air interception (IRST) and one for ground attack @undertakerwwefan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-looking_infrared
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infra-red_search_and_track @undertakerwwefan

He claims to be 40+ years old. I highly doubt it.

And you have a ego that your information/news/ logic/ concepts/theories are always right but they are always wrong/stupid/insane, you have a brain of 2 year old @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

IRST and FLIR both using INFRARED WAVES but one is for air interception (IRST) and one for ground attack

These days IRST all have FLIR integrated in them. More specifically, IRST nowadays is called IIRST imaging infrared search and track.

 

[Ultima Thule]

These days IRST all have FLIR integrated in them. More specifically, IRST nowadays is called IIRST imaging infrared search and track.

Why you so stupid @undertakerwwefan , there is only one abbreviation/term is used this IRST, there is no IIRST term in military/defense field, you created your own, its is only used for SRAAM seeker head IMAGING INFRARED SEEKER, there is IIRST @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Why you so stupid @undertakerwwefan , there is only one abbreviation/term is used this IRST, there is no IIRST term in military/defense field, you created your own, its is only used for SRAAM seeker head IMAGING INFRARED SEEKER, there is IIRST @undertakerwwefan

All the latest IRST are IIRST because they have imaging infrared.

 

[Ultima Thule]

All the latest IRST are IIRST because they have imaging infrared.

Why you're so dumb all latest fighter jets IRST called only IRST not IIRST,this term is only used for latest short range air to air IMAGING INFRARED SEEKER heads @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Why you're so dumb all latest fighter jets IRST called only IRST not IIRST,this term is only used for latest short range air to air IMAGING INFRARED SEEKER heads @undertakerwwefan

Imaging is implied. Back in the 1970s there was no imaging. Nowadays thermal imaging is everywhere. In the 1980s imaging was introduced in Abrams tank and Apache helicopter and Leopard 2 tank.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Imaging is implied. Back in the 1970s there was no imaging. Nowadays thermal imaging is everywhere. In the 1980s imaging was introduced in Abrams tank and Apache helicopter.

Pathetic IRST had been always build as IMAGING but first they were in monochrome or black and white,in 80s they were matured tech that's why it were introduce on fighter jets in 90s they add colors to discriminate air target better currently latest IRST have multi color tech, have you a comprehension problem @undertakerwwefan ialready told you thermal imaging/IRST is a same tech and both tech develop at almost same time frame @undertakerwwefan

 

[jhungary]

Pathetic IRST had been always build as IMAGING but first they were in monochrome or black and white,in 80s they were matured tech that's why it were introduce on fighter jets in 90s they add colors to discriminate air target better currently latest IRST have multi color tech, have you a comprehension problem @undertakerwwefan ialready told you thermal imaging/IRST is a same tech and both tech develop at almost same time frame @undertakerwwefan

I don't really know why you are still talking to this dude...…….

 

[LeGenD]

Nose mounted thermal imaging EOTS.

Su-35S does not have EOTS.

OLS-35 is IRST only: https://defenseissues.net/2013/12/28/ols-35-irst/

No HUD, only HMD.

F-35 variants do not need a traditional HUD because of HMDS.

The price tag is high, but “helmet” doesn’t really do the HMDS justice. The system consists of a number of components, such as a virtual HUD, beyond just the helmet to help save weight by replacing analogous systems on other jets. It also provides some unique and groundbreaking functionality — Rockwell Collins fellow and mastermind behind the HMDS Bob Foote said it is the first aircraft primary flight display that is worn by the pilot.

Source: https://www.aviationtoday.com/2018/08/24/f-35-helmet-worlds-advanced-fighter/

Nose mounted thermal imaging EOTS.

NO; embedded in this manner:

MAWS.

EODAS to be accurate, which is far more advanced capability than pure MAWS.

Every sensor system in F-35 is "electronically fused." The video below showcase sensor fusion of EODAS and AESA radar system at work to detect, track and produce weapons-grade lock on each rocket in real-time.

Su-35 radar, one of the most powerful in the world. Can detect fighter plane at nearly 400 km.

Sure.

Those are rather generous estimates.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Su-35S does not have EOTS.

OLS-35 is IRST only: https://defenseissues.net/2013/12/28/ols-35-irst/


F-35 variants do not need a traditional HUD because of HMDS.

The price tag is high, but “helmet” doesn’t really do the HMDS justice. The system consists of a number of components, such as a virtual HUD, beyond just the helmet to help save weight by replacing analogous systems on other jets. It also provides some unique and groundbreaking functionality — Rockwell Collins fellow and mastermind behind the HMDS Bob Foote said it is the first aircraft primary flight display that is worn by the pilot.

Source: https://www.aviationtoday.com/2018/08/24/f-35-helmet-worlds-advanced-fighter/

NO; embedded in this manner:

EODAS to be accurate, which is far more advanced capability than pure MAWS.

Every sensor system in F-35 is "electronically fused." The video below showcase sensor fusion of EODAS and AESA radar system at work to detect, track and produce weapons-grade lock on each rocket in real-time.

Sure.

Those are rather generous estimates.

HMD is old news. Russia introduced HMD in the 1980s on MiG-29 and Su-27. Modern HMD like Thales TopOwl is just as good as F-35's HMD. Even South Africa has HMD.

https://saabgroup.com/media/news-pr...m-now-operational-in-south-african-air-force/

Su-35S does not have EOTS.

Those are rather generous estimates.

That's irrelevant. America never fought Russia when America had nukes and Russia didn't. America didn't fight Russia then. America sure as hell won't fight Russia now that Russia also has nukes. And this chart is not proven. Who knows? Maybe Su-35 radar can track F-35 at 200 km.

Su-35S does not have EOTS.

OLS-35 is IRST only: https://defenseissues.net/2013/12/28/ols-35-irst/

Incorrect. Even Su-30's OLS-30 is thermal imaging IRST. Proof:

While the supercruising F/A-22A can defeat such techniques by kinematics alone, fighters in the teen series performance envelope will have to contend with BVR shots using the R-27ET, R-77, R-77T and R-77M cued by the thermal imaging search and track set

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion..../su-30sm-multirole-fighter-aircraft-russia-2/

 

[21st Century Vampire]

HMD is old news. Russia introduced HMD in the 1980s on MiG-29 and Su-27. Modern HMD like Thales TopOwl is just as good as F-35's HMD. Even South Africa has HMD.

https://saabgroup.com/media/news-pr...m-now-operational-in-south-african-air-force/



That's irrelevant. America never fought Russia when America had nukes and Russia didn't. America didn't fight Russia then. America sure as hell won't fight Russia now that Russia also has nukes. And this chart is not proven. Who knows? Maybe Su-35 radar can track F-35 at 200 km.



Incorrect. Even Su-30's OLS-30 is thermal imaging IRST. Proof:

While the supercruising F/A-22A can defeat such techniques by kinematics alone, fighters in the teen series performance envelope will have to contend with BVR shots using the R-27ET, R-77, R-77T and R-77M cued by the thermal imaging search and track set

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion..../su-30sm-multirole-fighter-aircraft-russia-2/

The OLS-35 can only track 4 targets ergo it uses a non imaging infrared sensor, the overall modus operandi of the EOTS (which combines IRST and FLIR) is different as well as the capabilities especially in terms of ground attacks

Never heard of targetting pods?

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=297122&sid=c2cbd800050d0a42cba3675064d367fb#p297122

HMD is old news. Russia introduced HMD in the 1980s on MiG-29 and Su-27. Modern HMD like Thales TopOwl is just as good as F-35's HMD. Even South Africa has HMD.

https://saabgroup.com/media/news-pr...m-now-operational-in-south-african-air-force/

Read it again

Rockwell Collins fellow and mastermind behind the HMDS Bob Foote said it is the first aircraft primary flight display that is worn by the pilot.

Maybe Su-35 radar can track F-35 at 200 km

I hope you changed your mind since last year, it's probably around 50Nmi at best