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America never committed to training Afghan forces. I know because I tried.

Abu Zarrar

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I first met Maj. Sboor in 2009 as he waited to take over his own Afghan army battalion. We were working together as operations officers of partnered Afghan and U.S. infantry units in Konar province. Sboor was stern, professional and unflinchingly loyal to his commander, but we also noticed his competence, as his unit just performed better whenever he was left in charge. Most of the Afghan officers in Sboor’s cohort claimed lineage to either the mujahideen or the Soviet Union, with the advantages and disadvantages that came with each. But Sboor seemed more like the motivated junior officers we encountered: They had little experience with the turmoil of the 1980s and 1990s and were anxious to make their mark on Afghanistan once the old generation faded.

But the promise of Sboor and so many like him went unfulfilled and was doomed from the start. Since the release of The Afghanistan Papers, many have argued whether our leaders were lying, or just delusional in their plans and assessments of progress. But that distinction is irrelevant. The fact is that training the Afghan security forces was never a priority for the military, despite years of declarations to the contrary. The result is that we designed a force that was incapable of fighting without U.S. support. Even worse, we failed to address the endemic corruption that would undermine the legitimacy of both Afghan forces and the central government in the eyes of the Afghan people.

For several months in the spring of 2009, Sboor and I walked nearly all the major passes along the Durand Line between Pakistan and Afghanistan in Konar province in search of the infiltration routes of fighters coming from Pakistan. Although we didn’t find many foreign fighters crossing from Pakistan to join the fight, we noticed the region was awash in illegal timber smuggling. The smuggling gave us an idea of where Pakistani forces turned a blind eye both to timber and incoming fighters. It also revealed the systemic corruption at every level of the Afghan government and security forces. Everyone from the Afghan border police to the local government took part in the illegal lumber trade; even the Afghan army took a cut.

It was common knowledge that Afghan officials routinely paid “tribute” to power brokers for their positions. According to officers like Sboor, the going rate to be a battalion commander in 2009 was about $30,000 in U.S. dollars, astronomically higher than government salaries in these positions. The result was that everyone was incentivized to use their positions to make money, and the illegal lumber trade was a prime candidate for corruption.

The U.S. military ignored this corruption; we thought if we kept teaching small-unit tactics to Afghan units, then those efforts would eventually be enough to build an army similar to ours. Someone else would deal with the corruption, or perhaps it would somehow disappear on its own.

I returned to Afghanistan in 2012 for my second deployment as an adviser to Afghan forces. By then, the surge in troops began to wane and at least in public pronouncements, advising was the main effort. But operations against known insurgent leaders was always the real priority. And U.S. commanders could always justify taking the lead in operations to “create space” for the Afghan forces to develop.
The advisory effort took a back seat to these missions, both on the ground and in the way the military assigned service members to the mission. We were an ad hoc bunch. Some of us volunteered, but a large number were drawn in by bureaucratic personnel dragnets that used a lack of previous deployment time as one criterion for selection. Many of those charged with leading small teams to train and partner with Afghan forces were drawn from specialties like chemical warfare, air defense and personnel management, which meant they did not have extensive experience in building and training light infantry units. For most, it was their first time in Afghanistan. Nobody knew where we would ultimately end up or even what type of unit we would be advising until after several weeks in country.

After bouncing around in country for a few months, I landed in a semi-permanent home in eastern Afghanistan, replacing the relieved commander of an advisory team from the National Guard that was partnered with the Afghan border police. The National Guard team’s training had been about as piecemeal as ours. A few had sought out the deployment, at least one was desperately trying to find a way to be sent home, and the other active-duty officer on the team could only wonder whether being hit with an assignment so far off the regular promotion path meant the end of his career.

This Afghan command performed decently, at least within the context of the overall dysfunction of the border police. In designing the Afghan border police in the mid-2000s, someone thought it might serve as a “blue line” separating the armies of Afghanistan and Pakistan. As such, they were generally trained and equipped with the intent of performing functions similar to the U.S. Border Patrol. But such a border did not exist in Afghanistan. Instead, they were placed in isolated outposts along the contested border with Pakistan, often serving as a first line of defense against the Taliban and foreign fighters. Their role in overseeing border crossing points left them especially prone to taking bribes from border traffic and, given their isolation, open to turning a blind eye to those enemy forces with the ability to overrun their positions if provoked.
We occasionally tried to root out corruption, but these efforts were Sisyphean. At least a third of the border police commanders we worked with had spent time in jail, typically after being on the wrong side of infighting over who got first dibs on the spoils of corruption. An Afghan leader had to be both corrupt and seen as lacking aggression for us to work to have him fired. One police commander had previously been caught with an entire shipping container of stolen military goods at his home compound. When he took command of police forces in Khost in 2013, he knew what we wanted to hear and gave grand speeches about hating the Taliban and the need to be aggressive in the fight. He quickly became one of our favorite partners. By 2012, most Afghan officers had figured out the right balance to appease Americans who were in a hurry to show progress on short rotations into Afghanistan.

As advisers, we toyed around the margins of these dysfunctions and worked on walking the Afghans through the staff functions and command structures appropriate for a western military. The larger structural issues would be addressed by someone else, or so we always assumed. With only nine months in country the focus was, as always, taking the fight to the Taliban. As a result, the border police most often filled the “grab and go” requirements of tactical American units: warm bodies that could be picked up before raids to put an “Afghan face” to our operations.

I managed to reconnect with Sboor during this deployment, and while he was on break from Helmand for the Eid-al-Fitr holiday, he drove down from Kabul to our compound in Paktia. He showed up in civilian clothes with his youngest son, Samir, in an effort to avoid identification as an army officer if stopped at a Taliban checkpoint. We did not linger after lunch so that they could make the return trip in daylight, when it was safer, but before Sboor left, I asked him, “Is it sustainable after we leave?” His reply was simple: “Six months.”
In 2014, I returned to Afghanistan one last time on a short trip to assess the advisory mission in the area where I had previously been deployed in Paktia. I had hoped to see Sboor again, but he was unable to get up from Helmand and was on his way out anyway. He saw no future in Afghanistan and feared for his family. He was working with smugglers to leave and hoped to get to Canada. He had never worked directly for American forces, so even the limited immigration options available to translators were closed to him. He and his family would eventually escape to Europe.

By this time, few Americans were fighting alongside the Afghans on the ground. Instead we were advising higher headquarters staffs and running them through the command-and-control drills that gave the appearance of functionality.

My visit coincided with the 2014 Afghan presidential elections. By security metrics, it appeared to go well but only because of extensive U.S. support. The intelligence and targeting forces that we brought to the fight largely stopped the numerous large car bombs sent across the border to disrupt the elections. Afghan forces also continued to operate under the tremendous advantage provided by American air power. But it all looked good and briefed well.

The election itself did not go quite as well. The allegations of corruption and division between the political factions meant that any kind of unitary or effective government was a long way off. We would therefore continue to prop up a national army, waiting for a nation.

It is 2019, and we are still waiting.

Source:https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...mmitted-training-afghan-forces-i-knowi-tried/
 
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Come on folks. Let the Yanks have some fun. All they are doing is growing some opium and dealing in timber. Go a bit mild on the Yanks. It is all our fault remember?

Where is that bitch Christine? She reading this?
 
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Did we have a choice?
Yes. There are always choices. Between handing your a*ss naked with blob of butter placed on your buttocks or conversly going crazy and try shooting the guy there are million shades of grey. Musharaf handing Pakistan's a*ss and then even provided melted butter for lubrication. Coward of the highest order this cnut. Pity the army as a institution is backing this cnut today.
 
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Yes. There are always choices. Between handing your a*ss naked with blob of butter placed on your buttocks or conversly going crazy and try shooting the guy there are million shades of grey. Musharaf handing Pakistan's a*ss and then even provided melted butter for lubrication. Coward of the highest order this cnut. Pity the army as a institution is backing this cnut today.
yeah i think it would've been pretty cool if we had nawaz/zardari/benazir as head of state back then too. maybe they all could've badmouthed the army together and invited the US to bring down the democracy - MOAB style...that would've been real nice right?
 
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Did we have a choice?
And at a theoritical level if US barked today Pakistan's options are about the same. We have same nukes. Our military power is about same Our economy is probably worse. Our international friends such as they are would have been same and stood about as firm as they would do today.

Are you suggesting Pakistan would do the same 'sell; again today?

yeah i think it would've been pretty cool if we had nawaz/zardari/benazir as head of state back then too. maybe they all could've badmouthed the army together and invited the US to bring down the democracy - MOAB style...that would've been real nice right?
Strawman tactics don't impress me. Get to the fcukin points I raised.
 
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Strawman tactics don't impress me. Get to the fcukin points I raised.

nobody else at the time could've handled the US like musharraf did...literally nobody. IK was not popular enough to become head of state and the rest of the civilian leadership was trash. The army had to take charge and make tough choices
 
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And at a theoritical level if US barked today Pakistan's options are about the same. We have same nukes. Our military power is about same Our economy is probably worse. Our international friends such as they are would have been same and stood about as firm as they would do today.

Are you suggesting Pakistan would do the same 'sell; again today?

Strawman tactics don't impress me. Get to the fcukin points I raised.
At that time US was a raging bull. Anyone who stood against it would have been trampled upon. Today we are far more independent from US.
 
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Which proves there wasn't any other option
No it does emphatically not. All it proves is that PA has not matured as a institution so that it can learn from it's mistakes at the highest level. Note, at the highest level and not squad level tactics where it has shown ample proof of being able to evolve.

The result is the army has never been publicly held accountabke for strategic blunders at top levels of command. You can see that from 1965, no lessons learn't. 1971 no lessons learn't. Everything pushed under the carpet. The strategic criminal negligence that gave India the opportunity to grab Siachen Glacier while GHQ was busy establishing in next defence housing scheme, the catastrophic Kargil disaster. All have been coverd up which means no lessons will be learn't.

Although realistically speaking reform of any institution must perforce come from outside. Insititutions develop group think and loyalty which clouds the ability to reform. Vested interests can't reform themselves. It's like expecting FBR to reform itself without and external actor.

Normally in countries armies are accountable to governments which can act as the outside agent to push through reform but because Pakistani politival eatblishment is so corrupt and incompetent I suppose we will have to put up with the status quo.

But that does not mean we should not call a spade a spade. Musharaf was a weasel. And before you lot start singing about 'commando' I know. That was all drama. Hitler was no commando, neither a general but look what he did.
 
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All it proves is that PA has not matured as a institution
All it proves is that you hate him for some reason
And army doesn't need your advice they know what they are doing
Siding with America was only option other option was Americans would use Indian bases and fly from Pakistani air space without Pakistani permission
Just like they did over Afghanistan without taliban government's permission
 
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Tough choices were made because we had to.

Now it is clean-up time and we have to show our enemies a middle finger.
 
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