America is a corrupt Plutocracy

[VCheng]

capitalist system, or socialist both are extreme, a better system would be the one which works in between.

Okay, what system in your view works better than the US system in practice?

 

[Leader]

Okay, what system in your view works better than the US system in practice?

the answer lies in the previous post.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

go read the constitution and electoral system

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Before he enters the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse [sic] by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse [sic] the President. But in chusing [sic] the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse [sic] from them by Ballot the Vice President.


The Congress may determine the Time of chusing [sic] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

 

[VCheng]

the answer lies in the previous post.

That is only a claim. What system is working better than the US system? Please give me an example first. Or is it that what you claimed above is only idealistic thinking without any practical applications?

 

[Leader]

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Before he enters the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse [sic] by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse [sic] the President. But in chusing [sic] the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse [sic] from them by Ballot the Vice President.


The Congress may determine the Time of chusing [sic] the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

thats who can be president section, read election process..

That is only a claim. What system is working better than the US system? Please give me an example first. Or is it that what you claimed above is only idealistic thinking without any practical applications?

my claim is better than your manipulative system at any given day... where few enjoy life, and populace suffer...

Yes, it has no practical example today, but dont assume there will be none in the future as well, we will thrive for it and prove it..


bas soch ka faraq hai, you are conformist, I am not !!

 

[VCheng]

Yes, it has no practical example today, but dont assume there will be none in the future as well, we will thrive for it and prove it..

So, at present, you admit that there is no system that works better than the US system, imperfect as it is, right? I wish you luck in creating the Utopia that you are striving for.

 

[Leader]

So, at present, you admit that there is no system that works better than the US system, imperfect as it is, right? I wish you luck in creating the Utopia that you are striving for.

Scandinavians can be looked upon as better or best, so can be China and so can be any country with better per capita income, in your imperfect system analysis...no?

p.s. Canada and Australia are better wage wise.
lesser crime rate wise Saudia is better than all.

 

[VCheng]

Scandinavians can be looked upon as better or best, so can be China and so can be any country with better per capita income, in your imperfect system analysis...no?

p.s. Canada and Australia are better wage wise.
lesser crime rate wise Saudia is better than all.

Are there any superpowers among those countries that you mention?

 

[Leader]

Are there any superpowers among those countries that you mention?

being super power doesnot mean comparatively a better system..

 

[VCheng]

being super power doesnot mean comparatively a better system..

Actually, it does. It indicates global military, economic and political capabilities that are the direct result of its overall function as a society better than any other. Each one of these components requires the best, or nearly the best of just about every aspect of education, health, industry, creativity, stability, law and order, justice and governance. You know, the important stuff.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

thats who can be president section, read election process..

It does cover the election process, skip over the first 3 sections about who can be prez.

 

[Leader]

Actually, it does. It indicates global military, economic and political capabilities that are the direct result of its overall function as a society better than any other. Each one of these components requires the best, or nearly the best of just about every aspect of education, health, industry, creativity, stability, law and order, justice and governance. You know, the important stuff.

come on you are now taking another position, in global politics, the world is already bipolar or multi-polar. America doesnot call the major calls alone now... cry me a river but its a fact... and no it doesnot directly come from the overall functioning of the society, it only means military/economic might in the hands of the few.. by your understanding of the issue at hand, the good system means how one can influence in world politics, nay...

have you seen the movie the physician? there was an interesting dialogue, Persian king says to Ibn sina, when he bows to the him, he says had the world been justice, it was I bowing to you, not you, but it aint like this (not exact dialogue)

so by your love of America, any powerful man, necessarily depicts the fact that he has evolved from a better system... NO is my answer !!

 

[VCheng]

come on you are now taking another position, in global politics, the world is already bipolar or multi-polar. America doesnot call the major calls alone now... cry me a river but its a fact... and no it doesnot directly come from the overall functioning of the society, it only means military/economic might in the hands of the few.. by your understanding of the issue at hand, the good system means how one can influence in world politics, nay...

have you seen the movie the physician? there was an interesting dialogue, Persian king says to Ibn sina, when he bows to the him, he says had the world been justice, it was I bowing to you, not you, but it aint like this (not exact dialogue)

so by your love of America, any powerful man, necessarily depicts the fact that he has evolved from a better system... NO is my answer !!

There is a huge difference between analogies as applied to individuals and those that can apply to entire countries. Your examples are simply inapplicable in this situation.

Is there any other superpower yet? Nope.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Everything in the Constitution is spelled out right here:
U. S. Electoral College: Presidential Election Laws

Point to the line that mentions political party affiliation...I see nothing.

 

[GDan]

go read the constitution and electoral system.

Here's a link to the full text of US Constitution in case anyone wants to look.

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION - We the People

The Constitution doesn't make any mention of political parties at all.