AMCA to be developed in 12-15 years .

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hal builds parts for Airbus,Boeing,Sukhoi & many more

Ask abingdonboy abt the millions of $$ worth parts PAC produces them... minus russia stuff...

Pakistan does not even have a SLV
No official render has yet out either from Supraco or the Pakistani Govt

Same about a billion other weapons... which latter got confirmed...

P.S = Read abt Dr Samar Mubaraks statement abt the SLV project or the model shown during IDEAS exhibition...

 

[Nexus]

I take that as 30-50 years going by DRDO standards...

As my knowledge K10 has be planned to 90kn & they have not find a partner yet and you planned for upgrade to a paper project. Btw if they develop 100kn engine then how can AMCA will be more powerful than FGFA.

Don't make useless comparison. Do you know the scope of F-35. it's marine version has all the capabilities of vertical landing and take off like Sea harrier.And it has to be stealth with a singe engine at the same time while sharing common parts across all three variants.

So people at LM have to do the job of circus acrobat to pull off everything at the same time. They managed whatever they could .

But AMCA is a simple straight forward normal take off and landing stealth fighter with none of the complexities of the F-35 program.

What is even better is it is being made by people who are no first timers like LCA, All the experience of the LCA control laws ,fcs , composite tech, avionics, air frame experience design and flight test experience will be available to AMCA , which is not the case with LCA.

And even on the engine front the K-9 has come half way across, which is not the case with LCA.

Also no one is going to place sanctions on AMCA program like they did on LCA after the nuclear test by India.

So you cannot judge everything by the same scale.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thats what happens when you go for an home grown option.

For gods sake man... dnt make me laugh... your gonna kill me with ur sense of humor...

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

What are u trying to prove here- @DESERT FIGHTER.Indian members have already ridiculed and laughed at DRDO over AMCA on this thread from the start if u scroll back.You have something to add?

 

[Nexus]

i am agree with @AUSTERLITZ @DESERT FIGHTER stop arguing man.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You may use that,no problem

Are you tht incompetent tht you have to copy other peoples posts? again crappy come back kid...

I asked you about an Indigenous reactor design made in Pakistan and you gave mea paper on ''RESIDENTIAL DEMAND FOR ELECTRICITY IN PAKISTAN''??

Only if you read... it talked abt an indigenous reactor produced by Pakistan n plans to produce more such reactors...

It is for Uranium,and once Indias Thorium based three stage cycle is completed we wont need uranium anyway

Cool story brah... just convince ur govt with tht...

look what the manufacturers say,


from Nasa spaceflight



China debuts partnership with Pakistan – Long March launches Paksat-1R | NASASpaceFlight.com



How much would be pakistani involvement in that??

http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&r...2hJQLFt5u9NXjj2mNvypqug&bvm=bv.48705608,d.bGE




You couldnt manufacture Paksat 1r for your own.

Yes we used chinese facilities for tht... if you "can" google u will find out the team of scientist and engs Pakistan sent to China to work on the sat...

About LCA or Space exploration??

Guess it...

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

i am agree with @AUSTERLITZ @DESERT FIGHTER stop arguing man.

Arguing,there is no argument...everyone sees AMCA joke played by DRDO.They haven't even finished tejas yet.Desert fighter just trolling for fun,its ok to an extent we all do it occasionally.Lol.

 

[Nexus]

Arguing,there is no argument...everyone sees AMCA joke played by DRDO.They haven't even finished tejas yet.Desert fighter just trolling for fun,its ok to an extent we all do it occasionally.Lol.

but not good for our country.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

but not good for our country.

You go bodybuilding,u don't try to be schwarzenneger in one day...u don't try to climb stairs at one go..u do it step by step.
'rome wasn't built in a day'.
Its not going to be easy,we'll be frustrated,cursing.But provided we keep our will and patience eventually we will succeed.
Perseverance is key.
As for criticism,just got to take it when its due.And here IT IS DUE.

 

[Nexus]

You go bodybuilding,u don't try to be schwarzenneger in one day...u don't try to climb stairs at one go..u do it step by step.
'rome wasn't built in a day'.
Its not going to be easy,we'll be frustrated,cursing.But provided we keep our will and patience eventually we will succeed.
Perseverance is key.
As for criticism,just got to take it when its due.And here IT IS DUE.

delay is biggest enemy of DRDO that's i wana say.

 

[gslv mk3]

For gods sake man... dnt make me laugh... your gonna kill me with ur sense of humor...

People who doesnt have any R&D products and runs to china for building a communication satellite may not understand that

P.S = Read abt Dr Samar Mubaraks statement abt the SLV project or the model shown during IDEAS exhibition...

Read his statement about 'Water Car'
Let us see,at least a single component of that SLV in manufacturing or testing stage.It will take atleast 4-5 years (I got this info from a very knowledgable Pakistani Member),by that time-By the time you launch your first satellite, we'd have gslv mark3(my profile pic) which can launch 10 tonnes to LEO

 

[gslv mk3]

Are you tht incompetent tht you have to copy other peoples posts? again crappy come back kid...

I asked you,Where are the 'Well documented proofs of a russian involvement in India's space program'??Can you give any?Last time you gave me a link about Chandrayaan 2 which is a joint Indo Russian Project

Only if you read... it talked abt an indigenous reactor produced by Pakistan n plans to produce more such reactors...

first link says ''Attention!
The website id is invalid.''
Second is a pdf document,and their is no mention of a 'reactor',only thing is that the word 'nuclear' appears twice.

What about ' Indigenous nuclear reactor '??

Cool story brah... just convince ur govt with tht...

That is what we are doing now,We are building more Plutonium based fast breeders,The design of 'Thorium reactors are ready

From Department of atomic energy

Three Stages of Indian Nuclear Power Programme | Department of Atomic Energy

Yes we used chinese facilities for tht... if you "can" google u will find out the team of scientist and engs Pakistan sent to China to work on the sat...

Yeah,and this is that ultimate escape-''Our Engineers worked with Chinese''.I googled for keyword 'pakistan contribution paksat-1r' but didnt find any links

You still couldnt built that sat,It was made by Chinese,on a chinese platform and launched by pakistan,and only after it was positioned,the control was transferred to pakistani control station

On October 15, 2008, the Pakistan Space & Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO) and China Great Wall Industry Corp. (CGWIC) signed a contract for the PakSat-1R satellite in beijing.

The PakSat-1R contract is the third communications satellite contract signed by China's space industry with international customers. It is also China's first satellite in-orbit delivery contract signed with an Asian customer.

The PakSat-1R satellite will be positioned at 38 degrees east longitude, and will provide telecommunications and broadcast services to Pakistan. The satellite is based on the three-axis-stabilised DFH-4 satellite platform developed by China Academy of Space Technology (CAST), and is fitted with 12 active C-band and 18 active Ku-band transponders. The service life span of the satellite will be 15 years. PakSat-1R satellite was successfully launched on board the LM-3B launch vehicle developed by CALT from XSLC on Aug.12, 2011; and was delivered in orbit to SUPARCO on Nov.1. On Nov.30,Lahore and Karachi ground stations were also successfully delivered.

Guess it...

You dont have the right to laugh at India's indigenous fighter aircraft program or an Indian made European Satellite,since you doesnt have one.

Ask abingdonboy abt the millions of $$ worth parts PAC produces them... minus russia stuff...

Still far less than Hindustan Aeronautics Limited,producing Su-30 MKI(costs US$28 million a piece) and Dhruv( cost US$6.9 million) and more like LCA,LCH,Rafale and Rudra would soon come

 

[Manindra]

I take that as 30-50 years going by DRDO standards...


Don't make useless comparison. Do you know the scope of F-35. it's marine version has all the capabilities of vertical landing and take off like Sea harrier.And it has to be stealth with a singe engine at the same time while sharing common parts across all three variants.

So people at LM have to do the job of circus acrobat to pull off everything at the same time. They managed whatever they could .

But AMCA is a simple straight forward normal take off and landing stealth fighter with none of the complexities of the F-35 program.

What is even better is it is being made by people who are no first timers like LCA, All the experience of the LCA control laws ,fcs , composite tech, avionics, air frame experience design and flight test experience will be available to AMCA , which is not the case with LCA.

And even on the engine front the K-9 has come half way across, which is not the case with LCA.

Also no one is going to place sanctions on AMCA program like they did on LCA after the nuclear test by India.

So you cannot judge everything by the same scale.

F-35 complexed for LM standards & by this logic AMCA is same or even more complex for DRDO because LM have long experience in stealth technology but DRDO has null & you yourself admit that you expect near about 30 year time frame but my guess it is near about 10 year time frame but it will need to reorganised whole DRDO administration system.

Btw in your introduction you say that you know me but don't answer me how? Can you tell me how do you know me?

 

[SPFG]

Really what do these thibk of themselves? We have world class facilities and make products alongside USA, RUSSIA. This chap talks in mn$ we mean bn$. HTV vehicle was tested in 2011, we develop stealth composites, avionics, airframes radars, etc.

P81

 

[gslv mk3]

@SPFG what is HTV vehicles??

even our private aerospace ventures like Mahindra Aerospace,Larsen and Tourbo Aerospace,Reliance aerospace and Tata Defense Solutions are worth billions,Mahindra Aerospace is developing GA-18(18 seater) and CNM-5(5 seater),Tata has undertaken Sikorsky S92 Helicopter Cabin Assembly and parts manufacture and Tata - Lockheed Martin JV is assembling structures for the C-130J aircraft including control-surfaces,Empennage & Center Wing-Box Assembly.L &T aerospace makes rocket motor casings, convergent and divergent nozzles, titanium gas bottles for liquid stages, titanium tanks for liquid upper stages for launch vehicles,solar array deployment mechanisms for satellites.Airbus have entered into their tie up with Reliance,Airbus will source 30% of components from Reliance

Heck,even ISRO is privitizing the manufacture of satellites and pslv-

the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is looking towards the launch of the first privately-built rocket in the next five years.
http://zeenews.india.com/news/space/isro-mulling-hiving-off-satellite-production-to-industry_783612.html

Now this is what is done by Airbus R&D in India

The Bangalore-based centre focuses on the development of advanced capabilities in the areas of modelling and simulation, covering such areas as flight management systems, computational fluid dynamics (CFD), as well as digital simulation and visualisation – which are critical factors in the design and production of high-performance aircraft such as the A380 and the A350 XWB.

As part of the Airbus Engineering Centre India’s activity, a simulated A380 flight management system is being developed in cooperation with Airbus engineers in Toulouse, France. This effort will help Airbus systems engineers provide mature specifications for the suppliers of flight management systems (FMS) – which are key elements of modern jetliners, and also can be used in research and development work on evolved FMS functions for new programmes such as the A350 XWB.
http://www.airbus.com/company/worldwide-presence/airbus-in-india/